The one and ONLY Rubio thread (merged)
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#13 on SI's Fortunate 50: Kevin Durant, the kid made $21 million in endorsement dollars in 2008.......in Oklahoma City
#13 on SI's Fortunate 50: Kevin Durant, the kid made $21 million in endorsement dollars in 2008.......in Oklahoma City
This is fallacious reasoning; how many national games do you think that Cleveland got before LeBron James got there? How many games do you think that the Hornets got before Chris Paul? Why is it that the Clippers play in the same town as the Lakers, but can't get on TV? How about the Knicks and Nets? Who do you think is more recognizable to the casual fan, Deron Williams, or Baron Davis?
If Rubio is good as some people say he is, then he'll get his endorsements and become a household name in Minneapolis, the same way that Garnett did. Companies are looking for superstars to pitch their product; they don't particularly care where the superstar is.
If Rubio is good as some people say he is, then he'll get his endorsements and become a household name in Minneapolis, the same way that Garnett did. Companies are looking for superstars to pitch their product; they don't particularly care where the superstar is.
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lebron got 100 million dollars from nike before he ever played a game. durant got all of his money from nike as well... 7 million plus a 12 million signing bonus. those are 2 bad examples, chris paul didnt get any endorsements until after his team became successful. none of them had to pay 5-8 million just to play basketball in the nba.
tim duncan only gets 3.5 million a year in endorsements.
tim duncan only gets 3.5 million a year in endorsements.
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Duncan doesn't come across as the sort of player who covets endorsements, either. It doesn't remotely provide anything even vaguely resembling proof that him living and playing in San Antonio has anything to do with whether or not he can get endorsements.
And, if you're trying to take the position that Chris Paul not getting endorsements until his team started winning is a bad thing, I'm going to take my leave, because we have nothing more to discuss.
And, if you're trying to take the position that Chris Paul not getting endorsements until his team started winning is a bad thing, I'm going to take my leave, because we have nothing more to discuss.
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all i was saying is that chris paul didnt start getting endorsements until his team started to get more national coverage. minny wont be winning anything anytime soon. now he has his own deodorant and is one of many jordan brand players.... paul also doesnt need the endorsements to play for the hornets. thats my main point. unless someone is going to just give rubio a huge endorsement deal because he looks like a jonas brother he has to use his nba contract to pay off his spanish team.
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im totally cool with him earning his endorsements by playing well and his team succeeding. but that wouldnt help rubio and his buyout because he needs the money upfront not after the fact. if it takes him 2 years to become good enough in the nba to get endorsements he might as well wait it out in europe.
I get what you're saying... if he has to pay out of his own pocket to leave, it better be worth it to him financially because he will be paying out of his own pocket to move and play out of his comfort zone... What I think Slim is trying to say is that if he has enough faith in his ability to say "**** this, I can play with and beat the best of them" he shouldn't worry about endorsments, they will come flooding to him once he puts up numbers.
Isn't the main point here that in all likelihood, we would be in the same situation as the wolves if we had drafted Rubio:
(i) marginal increase in base rookie salary due to being picked 4th instead of 5th.
(ii) likely similar local market endorsements in minny vs. sac
(iii) similar current national exposure in minny vs. sac based on recent team performances and general market size
As someone else pointed out earlier, I don't think this had much of an influence in the Kings deciding to pass on Rubio. I really believe it came down virtually 100% on their opinion of him as a player (although I'm sure his current contract situation didn't help any arguments to draft him.)
End of the day....even if you prefer Rubio as a player over Evans, would you really have been happier to wait 2 years for him?
(i) marginal increase in base rookie salary due to being picked 4th instead of 5th.
(ii) likely similar local market endorsements in minny vs. sac
(iii) similar current national exposure in minny vs. sac based on recent team performances and general market size
As someone else pointed out earlier, I don't think this had much of an influence in the Kings deciding to pass on Rubio. I really believe it came down virtually 100% on their opinion of him as a player (although I'm sure his current contract situation didn't help any arguments to draft him.)
End of the day....even if you prefer Rubio as a player over Evans, would you really have been happier to wait 2 years for him?
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Very good question. I'll be interested in seeing if some of the Rubio folks respond.
since that didnt happen, i would trade one of our future 1st round(2011) picks for rubio... top 3 protected of course. since he wont be coming over until the 2011 season its a win-win situation.
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How do you know Petrie didn't actually propose that trade? Or how do you know the Wizards would actually accept? As usual, you state it as if it's a fact it could have happened just because you wanted it to.
Either way, trading the 2011 pick for Rubio is a different issue. You're trading future benefit for future benefit (i.e. gambling taht Rubio will be a better prospect than what you could have picked in the 2011 draft.) Would you trade the 2010 pick for Rubio in 2011?
Either way, trading the 2011 pick for Rubio is a different issue. You're trading future benefit for future benefit (i.e. gambling taht Rubio will be a better prospect than what you could have picked in the 2011 draft.) Would you trade the 2010 pick for Rubio in 2011?
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i would give up the 2010 pick but there are so many people here that are on the john wall sweepstakes bandwagon so i proposed the 2011 pick.
i obviously dont know if petrie offered any deals for the the wizards pick but petrie hasnt done much of anything lately to improve this team. i know, i know... you dont know that... well the only thing that he has done this offseason is sign sean may. maybe he's lost it.... he didnt do anything with thomas or corliss... traded an expiring contract in miller for nocioni... granted salmons and gooden were involved in the deal as well but if we couldve traded salmons we shouldve traded him by himself.
keeping miller at least for the remainder of the season wouldve been the smart move. to have miller and thomas expiring contracts this summer sounds a lot better than having nocioni for 3 more years. salmons contract is shorter than nocioni's as well it expires in 2011. we gained nothing from that trade other than trading 2 players that didnt need to be traded.
had we kept miller and salmons we would have even more pieces to make a trade for the wizards pick. salmons is just as good as mike miller. miller is a better shooter but thats it... maybe petrie is just a bad gm now. to quote jay-z...
Knowing that you wouldn't have Rubio until 2011, would you trade Evans right now, straight up for the rights to Rubio? And....assuming that you do say yes, which I'm sure you will....what does that really accomplish?
I've seen post after post where you seem to say that PG is our most pressing need, so you would have picked the best point gaurd in the draft. So what happens then? We don't actually fill our most pressing need until 2011?
I've seen post after post where you seem to say that PG is our most pressing need, so you would have picked the best point gaurd in the draft. So what happens then? We don't actually fill our most pressing need until 2011?
Minn was starting to look pretty stupid when they drafted both Flynn and Rubio. Now they really look bad. Their new GM is getting off to a very poor start...
As for Rubio, the longer he waits to play in the NBA, the greater the adjustment. Flynn is looking like the guy who wants to compete here, and Rubio just doesn't.
As for Rubio, the longer he waits to play in the NBA, the greater the adjustment. Flynn is looking like the guy who wants to compete here, and Rubio just doesn't.
I kinda felt the same way, would have liked Rubio but am happy with Reke, but mainly I wanted to draft a PG now who might take 2-3 seasons to get comfortable which would also give us time to build in the draft but in a positive way. Which makes the potential of Rubio sitting out a few years even more troubling because when he gets here he's still going to have an adjustment period.
If that's the case, why have you argued with everyone about taking best PG available in the draft vs. best player available? So, who do you think should have been drafted by the Kings as best player available? Or do you think they should have gone with Flynn or Jennings if Rubio wasn't likely to come to the US in 2009?
They looked stupid on draft day and even dumber now. My only guess is that they must have been pretty confident the Kings were going to draft Rubio to leave them with an Evans/Flynn backcourt (regardless of if you think Evans CAN play PG, clearly he has the tools and size to play SG). For some reason they paniced and decided to try to draft based on highest preceived value (knowing that they would trade one of the two PGs.) I guess if you look at their options there wasn't an obvious choice for their second pick. Curry and Flynn would have been just as oddball given Curry's slight build. Hill doesn't really make sense given Jefferson and Love. I guess they must not have been high on Rozen since he seems like the only other logical choice.
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the team needs a pg, i wouldve been happy with flynn or jennings... if evans becomes as great as everyone here thinks then the rest of the league will be missing out. just like we missed out on every great player that isnt on our team. i will still watch him play no matter where he plays. same goes for rubio... for the first time ever the best player available was at a position of need. we needed a pg and a great pg was available yet we took a potential sg. i have nothing against evans, i like evans... i just dont see him as a pg.
rubio staying in spain could be a blessing in disguise for a team that wants to trade for him. like i said i would love to trade our 2011 pick for rubio. in 2 years all we will have to do is resign thompson, hawes and maybe sergio this coming season.... everyone else will still be under contract by that time. beno's contract would be up in rubios 2nd season, we dont resign him and keep sergio. martin will be in the last 2 years of his contract and evans will be entering his 3rd year. think about our young players and the ages they will be in 2 years... none of them will be in their prime and will have tons of time to gel with rubio even if we dont get him until 2011...
rubio staying in spain could be a blessing in disguise for a team that wants to trade for him. like i said i would love to trade our 2011 pick for rubio. in 2 years all we will have to do is resign thompson, hawes and maybe sergio this coming season.... everyone else will still be under contract by that time. beno's contract would be up in rubios 2nd season, we dont resign him and keep sergio. martin will be in the last 2 years of his contract and evans will be entering his 3rd year. think about our young players and the ages they will be in 2 years... none of them will be in their prime and will have tons of time to gel with rubio even if we dont get him until 2011...
I really think Rubio thought he was going to be drafted by the Kings.. I know it's a moot point but I think he would have played for the Kings this year had he been drafted. The look of disappointment on his face was epic when the Kings drafted Evans.
As for whether or not he can play in the NBA or whether he is over hyped, I believe he will make a good NBA player if/when he decides to come over. Not enough good passing PGs in the NBA right now. A lot of "me first" PGs and it's upsetting to watch.
As for whether or not he can play in the NBA or whether he is over hyped, I believe he will make a good NBA player if/when he decides to come over. Not enough good passing PGs in the NBA right now. A lot of "me first" PGs and it's upsetting to watch.
I guess I'm still not following your logic. You say that knowing what you know now, you would not currently trade Evans for the rights to Rubio in 2011 because the team will not be winning anytime soon. However, on the other hand you seem to be down on the front office because we needed a PG and you think Rubio was the best PG (and player) available. So, are you still saying we should have drafted him? How depressing would it have been for this upcoming year if we came out of the draft without any top prospect to show for it? I seriously doubt the majority of fans (even those chanting Rubios name on draft night) would be in favor of waiting two years for him given the current state of the team.
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the look on his face was priceless though... he looked like his dog just died. the fact that the camera was on rubio waiting for his name to be called just goes to show you that everyone thought that the kings were going to take him. i agree that if we had drafted him he probably wouldve played in the nba this year. picking evans broke his heart, it was like walking in on your girlfriend cheating on you with a guy that you know you cant beat up.
tyreke is a big dude, rubio couldnt say anything that might get him beat up...
tyreke is a big dude, rubio couldnt say anything that might get him beat up...
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i would trade for rubio in 2011 now that we have evans... i would probably trade evans for rubio in 2011 because i dont think that evans will be a pg and that will be known by then whether or not he can be a fulltime pg. i wouldnt trade evans for the rights to rubio today because we wouldnt have a player to play for the next 2 years. minny has flynn, we would have casspi and brockman..... on draft day i wouldve made the trade but now we have evans and everyone is in love with him. its a little too late to make that move.