Kenny Thomas trade speculation thread...
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Well the payroll based on hoopshype for Next season if we use team options for Spencer,JT, and Greene Looks like 41,320,000 for 9 players
If we sign Brockman for 2 yr rookie min, add 1mil, Next year 1st round, 3.8 mil, Next year 2nd round 1.2 mil and we have 12 players and total around 47.3 mil. So if cap is around 58 mil we would have a little over 10mil for a free agent
Roster:
C - Spencer
PF - JT,Brockman
SF - Nocioni, Cassipi, Greene
SG - Kevin, Garcia
PG - Tyreke, Beno
So depending on draft we oick up 2 Bigs and a point guard
Maybe 1st round - PG, 2nd Round Big, FA - Big
So I guess the question is can we get a better player by trading cap space (KT) than we can buy with 10 mil in Free agency.
Im not sure if we can get a starter for 10 mil next year that will be at a real high level? plus one that is willing to come to Sac?
A: We may be able to go above 10 mil in a trade by trading other players with KT, So we would need a team that is not a contender, looking to dump salary to get cap space, has an unhappy star (but not too old)
Thats a lot of ifs
B: The other alternative is to look for a contender team that will take Nocioni or Beno for expiring junk to get cap space to be a real player in FA
Good luck dumping Beno, but Nocioni could be a valuable backup to a contender.
If the right star does not come along by trade deadline, then look for a trade for Nocioni to boost cap space
If we sign Brockman for 2 yr rookie min, add 1mil, Next year 1st round, 3.8 mil, Next year 2nd round 1.2 mil and we have 12 players and total around 47.3 mil. So if cap is around 58 mil we would have a little over 10mil for a free agent
Roster:
C - Spencer
PF - JT,Brockman
SF - Nocioni, Cassipi, Greene
SG - Kevin, Garcia
PG - Tyreke, Beno
So depending on draft we oick up 2 Bigs and a point guard
Maybe 1st round - PG, 2nd Round Big, FA - Big
So I guess the question is can we get a better player by trading cap space (KT) than we can buy with 10 mil in Free agency.
Im not sure if we can get a starter for 10 mil next year that will be at a real high level? plus one that is willing to come to Sac?
A: We may be able to go above 10 mil in a trade by trading other players with KT, So we would need a team that is not a contender, looking to dump salary to get cap space, has an unhappy star (but not too old)
Thats a lot of ifs
B: The other alternative is to look for a contender team that will take Nocioni or Beno for expiring junk to get cap space to be a real player in FA
Good luck dumping Beno, but Nocioni could be a valuable backup to a contender.
If the right star does not come along by trade deadline, then look for a trade for Nocioni to boost cap space
Remember, it doesn't have to be a straight up signing with the cap space. You can combine the cap space with a player in a trade to bring in a player with a higher salary. For instance, if we wanted to trade for Boozer, who Utah is apparently shopping to free up salary. We could trade KT plus our cap space, assuming that we have around 6 mil straight across for Boozer. Utah would save around 4 mil which translates to 8 mil when you figure in the luxury tax. We would rent Boozer for a year and regain our cap space when we let him walk.
Please don't quote me on all the numbers, because I'm going on my memory, which leaves much to be desired.
Please don't quote me on all the numbers, because I'm going on my memory, which leaves much to be desired.
At this point, Kenny Thomas will get traded if and only if we are going to land our big "FA" by trade. If one of the big name players becomes available to trade for, then I suspect Kenny Thomas' contract will be integral to that deal.
Alternatively, if no such opportunity arises, we will just let Kenny Thomas expire. There is no point in trading Kenny for anything less than a star player whose team wants to ship him out and start over.
There is also a slight change than Kenny might be traded with another player that the other team might like for a larger expiring deal.
Those are the only 3 scenarios with Kenny.
Alternatively, if no such opportunity arises, we will just let Kenny Thomas expire. There is no point in trading Kenny for anything less than a star player whose team wants to ship him out and start over.
There is also a slight change than Kenny might be traded with another player that the other team might like for a larger expiring deal.
Those are the only 3 scenarios with Kenny.
I love this trade and its realistic. Ak47 is just the kind of guy we need, hustles, plays D, blocks shots, rebounds, plays fast/can run the break
hes still only 28 but hes the type of guy that should fall off soon though because he relies on his athleticism so much(sort of like Marion)
it wasn't too long ago that AK47 was the best player on a jazz team that got the 8th seed.
the next best players was Carlos Arroyo....
hes still only 28 but hes the type of guy that should fall off soon though because he relies on his athleticism so much(sort of like Marion)
it wasn't too long ago that AK47 was the best player on a jazz team that got the 8th seed.
the next best players was Carlos Arroyo....
Petrie likes to go against the grain. So if everybody is wanting to get cap space for 2010, I think he's more likely to go the other way - sell cap space to the highest bidder in return for player(s)/picks. He gets more value that way because there is a high demand for cap space, and maybe people might undervalue tradable players in return for that cap space. If the situation was reversed and there wasn't a mad rush to get 2010 cap space, then he'd probably do just the opposite and get more cap space for 2010.
wait wait wait... Kirilenko is only 28? i like the idea on the previous page. if we're going to suck let's make it interesting and hope for a miracle. maybe kirilenko gets rejuvinated, gets minutes and if he produces anything like he did at the beginning with Utah, we should have at least a team that's not a laughingstock.
Thomas + Nocioni + first round draft pick (top 16 protected for 2010, unprotected for 2011) for Kirilenko + Fesenko
Utah gets another hard-nosed small forward with more perimeter game but with less shot blocking plus more flexibility of Thomas` expiring and a future first round draft.
Kings will get a longer and shot blocking SF who should be able to bolster both perimeter and inside defense( if he stays away from injury). Plus Fesenko would be a great backup for Hawes at C.
We can throw in either Brockman/Greene to sweeten it.
Utah gets another hard-nosed small forward with more perimeter game but with less shot blocking plus more flexibility of Thomas` expiring and a future first round draft.
Kings will get a longer and shot blocking SF who should be able to bolster both perimeter and inside defense( if he stays away from injury). Plus Fesenko would be a great backup for Hawes at C.
We can throw in either Brockman/Greene to sweeten it.
I believe that it would be a bad trade to give KT away for anything less than a superstar. In these days teams like MLK, NYN, TOR, POR, LAC are bleeding talent in terms of Michael Redd, the whole Nets roster, Bosh, 1/2 of portland, and everyone in Clipperland except for their last 2 1st rounders. It would make sense for us to use KT in a trade, but it makes more sense to let him retire/expire a king because his 7 million means more flexibility in the future, like how the Memphis Grizz got a 1st for taking on Hunter
no, i mean that we would eat contract, like KT contract for 1st rounders. Like getting Edy Curry and a 1st rounder, Or better. Because i realize that FA that are worth anything aren't coming to sacramento unless there is good reason, therefore it would be wise to use KT to trade for even worse player/contracts while acquiring 1st round picks.
NFL teams stack up draft picks because there is great value to be had all the way into their 4th round. In the NBA, I'm not so sure you just want all of your new players to be draft picks every year. Trading garbage for absolute crap and picks would be the sort of interesting, moldy experiment that an 8 year old pulls off in your fridge. What exactly do you plan to grow that way?
Been toying around with the trade machine lately - don't mind that Kirlenko/Fesenko proposition (if we aren't going to be FA players).
Here's another thought: what about...
Kenny Thomas to NY for Jared Jeffries and Jordan Hill
and/or
Beno Udrih and Donte Greene to Minnesota for Brian Cardinal
Neither are trades fantastic, admittedly. But here's some explanation:
NY is desperate for 2010 cap space as well as trading away Jeffries. The Kings lose a worthless player and get another worthless player for an extra year BUT get a needed frontcourt piece in Hill.
On a positive note for the Kings, Jeffries will be an expiring contract for the 2010/11 season. Additionally, Hill - who I think will be a fringe starter/solid backup in the league - brings size, athleticism, toughness, great rebounding, and shot blocking, which equates to a promising 3-man frontcourt rotation with each player bringing something different to the table.
Minnesota desperately needs scoring guards and usable veteran players. Additionally, the Wolves has an unproven GM whose decision making may be flawed - and knowing Minny's track record, this may hold out to be true. Enter Beno - he's a veteran who can score and pass. Also, he could possibly play as a combo PG/SG, filling a huge need at the 2. Donte Greene is thrown in as "incentive" - selling management (and fans) on his athleticism, enthusiasm, upside, as well as their pressing need for wingmen. The Kings get back a practice player with good character in Cardinal, who is also an expiring contract. Minny might be dumb enough to do it, no? Let me know your thoughts on these ideas...
Here's another thought: what about...
Kenny Thomas to NY for Jared Jeffries and Jordan Hill
and/or
Beno Udrih and Donte Greene to Minnesota for Brian Cardinal
Neither are trades fantastic, admittedly. But here's some explanation:
NY is desperate for 2010 cap space as well as trading away Jeffries. The Kings lose a worthless player and get another worthless player for an extra year BUT get a needed frontcourt piece in Hill.
On a positive note for the Kings, Jeffries will be an expiring contract for the 2010/11 season. Additionally, Hill - who I think will be a fringe starter/solid backup in the league - brings size, athleticism, toughness, great rebounding, and shot blocking, which equates to a promising 3-man frontcourt rotation with each player bringing something different to the table.
Minnesota desperately needs scoring guards and usable veteran players. Additionally, the Wolves has an unproven GM whose decision making may be flawed - and knowing Minny's track record, this may hold out to be true. Enter Beno - he's a veteran who can score and pass. Also, he could possibly play as a combo PG/SG, filling a huge need at the 2. Donte Greene is thrown in as "incentive" - selling management (and fans) on his athleticism, enthusiasm, upside, as well as their pressing need for wingmen. The Kings get back a practice player with good character in Cardinal, who is also an expiring contract. Minny might be dumb enough to do it, no? Let me know your thoughts on these ideas...