Whis into the job once Natt is gone?

[rainmaker]

I don't want to waste another year or two. We have begun to clean house, we will continue to make moves this summer, and our young bigs are showing potential. We will get a good pick (should) and add another talented young guy to the roster. Things are starting to turn around.

The last thing we need is to bring in a coach that the players and fans don't respect with zero prior nba experience. This is when we need to make smart decisions and continue the rebuilding process. Otherwise, we will turn into the clippers. With the economy as bad at it is, and a number of good former nba coaches on the market, we could sign one for less than we would of had to pay in the last few off-seasons. This is the time to get a good coach with experience at a good price. Avery might be the only one that would ask for too much.

The young guys will continue to improve, and we will add more young talent this summer and on draft night. The best thing for a young team with talent is to hire a coach with experience who will TEACH and the guys respect. Whoever we bring in will be the 5th coach in 5 years. Enough of the coaching carousel. We need some stability in the organization for the young guys. Now is not the time to make another gamble. Best case scenario, we would all hope Whisenant could do an adaquete job if he was hired. But I don't think anyone is confident that the guy will come in a help turn this thing around in the next 2-3 years.

 

[TheWileyVet]

if this happens we should start the biggest petition against it. Maybe even boycott the first few games of the season

QFT. If you start a petition, I will sign it.

 

[VF21]

First, welcome to the board.

As far as a petition goes, we're about the next best thing around. I'm thinking our poll can send a message that will at least be seen if not acknowledged...

 

[Kingzrool]

Please no. I will be pissed and tempted to boycott Arco. No talent will ever come to Sac without respectable coaching. The young players need the proper guidance to become winners. Ugh!

I agree with the sentiment that if they are anywhere near considering Whis, why in hell is he not coaching right now? This would have been the perfect chance to see if he could handle it.

Maloofs,
Please, please, please let GP make the general management decisions. Please.

 

[TheWileyVet]

First, welcome to the board.

As far as a petition goes, we're about the next best thing around. I'm thinking our poll can send a message that will at least be seen if not acknowledged...

Cool thx! And good to know.

I'm new to the board but from skimming the threads it seems as if there are alot of intelligent posters around these parts. I'm glad I found this board, the last one I used I wasn't a big fan of!

Let's go Kings!

 

[Vlade4GM]

What the hell is their problem? Jeez, come off it already.

 

[BLNINJA #81]

Obviously I'm in a minority (of 2 really) that wouldn't mind seeing him get hired.

My reasons are:
We need another horrible losing season for next year's top draft pick in addition to this one. (speed up long term rebuilding)
For some reason if it works out... keep him.

 

[VF21]

We aren't going to have another horrible losing season. There are too many other things in play, such as the need to put posteriors in the seats, the need to lure back season ticket holders, etc. In this economy, trying to do bad for a second year in a row would be suicide.

Our young players have too much potential to be held back for an entire season. It would ruin their spirit and possibly create problems we'd never recover from...

Tanking two years in a row doesn't speed up long term rebuilding. It's already long term... We're finally going to have cap room and some good draft picks. We'd better make the absolute best of what we have right now and rely on Petrie to work some non-draft magic next year.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

We have the worst record in the entire NBA, and now we have to endure this possibility? Only in Maloof-land could this happen. If they do this thing, they will compete with Al Davis for the worst owners in sports.
Martin was very right on something he said this year:

"We're a Joke"​

I've said it once and I'll say it again(and I'm a 49er fan, too)...at LEAST Al Davis has 3 Championship rings to speak of in his old, senile age...and the Maloofs have what for all their 'gambling' on coaches and dictating moves for Petrie??

 

[TheWileyVet]

Obviously I'm in a minority (of 2 really) that wouldn't mind seeing him get hired.

My reasons are:
We need another horrible losing season for next year's top draft pick in addition to this one. (speed up long term rebuilding)
For some reason if it works out... keep him.

I would say that you are in the minority if you would want the Kings do poorly next season. Even in the name of "rebuilding".

How are we supposed to draw in big name free agents with all of our cap money? With another losing season? With our old arena that desparately needs an upgrade? With our crappy fan attendance? With an unknown coach with little/no respect?

We need to have a turn around season big time next year, or all this salary cap cutting we've done will have been in vain.

 

[Warhawk]

First, welcome to the board.

As far as a petition goes, we're about the next best thing around. I'm thinking our poll can send a message that will at least be seen if not acknowledged...

I sent a link to this thread in my email, BTW.

 

[Padrino]

ha...

i've been gone from KF.com for quite some time now...

but i do find it ironic that, upon returning from a personal sabbatical of sorts, the same coaching carousel discussion that was occurring before i left has been restarted by news of the maloofs getting in their own way once again. john whisenant is definitely not the teacher that our young kings (and future young kings) will need...

the nba is simply a different ballgame. only the best play and coach in the nba, and john whisenant lacks both of those qualifications of experience...

again, how ironic that the best teacher this young kings team could have had access to was fired just a few seasons back...

 

[pdxKingsFan]

We aren't going to have another horrible losing season.

While I don't want another year like this year I am not sure to expect more than 25-30 wins out of next year's team either. I want some improvement, and I want to see the kids develop. But sadly we're at ground zero right now and even the best rebuilds don't happen over night.

 

[Aenadin]

there are coaches that we can pick up next season who have had experience and no doubt about it BETTER than natt
if its defense you guys really want it should be TOM THIBBODEAU!!
maloofs if you really are into defense spare Whiz the embarassment of trying to coach in the nba... im not being a sexist but im pretty sure some players wont be able to give him the same amount of respect nor would they want to...
musselman had his banners (did he have one that said LOTTO PICK!)
theus had his discipline ( no cellphones and curfew!? damn!)
natt had his...... he had NATTing!!

its time to get serious... if they want to put a good seat Filling team they need to spend also not on players but also coaching. we have the youth.. its time to develop them

these are imo should be on the list

Jeff Van Gundy
Flip Saunders
Avery Johnson
(possibly mike fratello)
Mario Elie
Brian Shaw

heck id even put Robert Horry and Eric snow in assistant jobs if they retire

 

[Padrino]

there are coaches that we can pick up next season who have had experience and no doubt about it BETTER than natt
if its defense you guys really want it should be TOM THIBBODEAU!!
maloofs if you really are into defense spare Whiz the embarassment of trying to coach in the nba... im not being a sexist but im pretty sure some players wont be able to give him the same amount of respect nor would they want to...
musselman had his banners (did he have one that said LOTTO PICK!)
theus had his discipline ( no cellphones and curfew!? damn!)
natt had his...... he had NATTing!!

its time to get serious... if they want to put a good seat Filling team they need to spend also not on players but also coaching. we have the youth.. its time to develop them

these are imo should be on the list

Jeff Van Gundy
Flip Saunders
Avery Johnson
(possibly mike fratello)
Mario Elie
Brian Shaw

heck id even put Robert Horry and Eric snow in assistant jobs if they retire

i'm wary of jeff van gundy just because of how anemic his offenses tend to be. flip saunders seems to me like a happier medium between offense and defense, and would be near the top of my short list...

 

[rainmaker]

Obviously I'm in a minority (of 2 really) that wouldn't mind seeing him get hired.

My reasons are:
We need another horrible losing season for next year's top draft pick in addition to this one. (speed up long term rebuilding)
For some reason if it works out... keep him.

We don't need another horrible season. I don't think we could duplicate this season next year unless we intentionally sat our top 3 players every night, which would never happen.

I am 100% against bringing in another coach with zero experience to improve our draft standings next year. I understand you want another top draft pick next year, but IMO hiring Whisenant would stunt the growth of the young guys we already have. this season was almost a waste for the young guys in terms of not really learning anything and being taught much from an experienced head coach. Yes, they got time on the court, but the knowledge they gained doesn't even compare to what they would have learned under an experienced, veteran nba caoch.

 

[Bricklayer]

i'm wary of jeff van gundy just because of how anemic his offenses tend to be. flip saunders seems to me like a happier medium between offense and defense, and would be near the top of my short list...

And you take any of the above before you take a Whis.

There are clearly choices and various ways to go if you are going to hire a real viable NBA coach this offseason. Some will say the defensive guys, some the offensive, some the top assistants, some the experienced hands...but they are ALL better options than hiring the family butler, and that is the core issue here.

The Maloofs meddled and screwed up the Adelman thing. Then they meddled and screwed up the Musselman hire. Then they meddled and screwed up the Theus hire. And its as if they are using all those screwups as an excuse why they should meddle again. See? If you just let us screw up and hire the family friend in the first place, then it would have all worked out. Rather than learning their lesson that they don't know the NBA, they would appear to be learning the lesson that they have had the answer all along and its only because the meanie GM has forced them to try to be serious that we've had all these bad hires/fires.

 

[Bricklayer]

We don't need another horrible season. I don't think we could duplicate this season next year unless we intentionally sat our top 3 players every night, which would never happen.

I am 100% against bringing in another coach with zero experience to improve our draft standings next year. I understand you want another top draft pick next year, but IMO hiring Whisenant would stunt the growth of the young guys we already have. this season was almost a waste for the young guys in terms of not really learning anything and being taught much from an experienced head coach. Yes, they got time on the court, but the knowledge they gained doesn't even compare to what they would have learned under an experienced, veteran nba caoch.

As an aside, I think we DO "need" another horrible season talentbasewise...but I don't think that's realistic, pretty much unless the Maloofs do something like hire Whiz. We have too much talent, and young talent getting better, to come up with another sub-20 win type season under a competent regime. Pretty much the only way I could see it happening is through extensive injuries...or through hiring a guy like Whiz and having the team tune him out by the end of training camp. I should note BTW, that once you have the family friend in place, he's damn near unfireable. All he has to do is keep on shoveling the B.S. the Maloofs want to hear in their ears, tell them how its a process, how it will all get better, etc., and he's going to be there the whole year unless he asks to bail out.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

This is an extremely important offseason for us. We can afford to make another mistake at the head coach position.

We have hit rock bottom this year. If things go how we want them to and how they generally 'should' go with a young team and good coach, our record will continually get better over the next 4 years.

This offseason is huge ... cant express that enough. High lottery pick, new coach, and almost half a roster to fill .. WE NEED THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN CHARGE.

All that needs to be said about Whiz has been said. He just cant be the guy ...

Here is where I throw Tom Thibodeau into the mix. The only real Pro Defense coach I see out there, and thats what we need.

 

[TheWileyVet]

^^

Nice Sig.

Donte Greene needed to get more minutes this year. It's sad really. Aren't you supposed to give your young players as much PT as possible during a rebuilding (crappy) year? I guess the Kings didn't get the memo.

And plz plz plz draft Blake Griffin.

 

[6th]

I voted "sound like a great idea" because KF8 was all alone.

 

[KevinSalvadori]

Hire Jordan. Bring Whis on as an assistant. At the FIRST sign of falter, Whis instantly hits a clause where he gets a two-year deal to be head coach (I think MINNY or MEM did this as well, but I'm not sure). A bench of Jordan, Whis, Carril, Burrage, and potentially another (Corliss? Bobby?) excites me, and is one that could greatly benefit this team (in my opinion).

I like Whis a lot. But I think you're dreaming if you think he's primed for the NBA character types right now. I'd love to see him on the Kings' sidelines, but first as an assistant.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I should note BTW, that once you have the family friend in place, he's damn near unfireable.

I thought the same thing and this is the biggest issue I would have with this experiment. If he stunk he'd probably get 3 years minimum.

 

[VF21]

ha...

i've been gone from KF.com for quite some time now...

but i do find it ironic that, upon returning from a personal sabbatical of sorts, the same coaching carousel discussion that was occurring before i left has been restarted by news of the maloofs getting in their own way once again. john whisenant is definitely not the teacher that our young kings (and future young kings) will need...

the nba is simply a different ballgame. only the best play and coach in the nba, and john whisenant lacks both of those qualifications of experience...

again, how ironic that the best teacher this young kings team could have had access to was fired just a few seasons back...

WELCOME BACK!!!!!

Hey, you know the old saying: The more things change, the more they remain the same.

 

[KF8]

If not Whiz, then how about Jerry Reynolds for head coach?

 

[Sac.1989]

we really need a coach for the future, time to put someone in whose going to instill a system, stick to it and grow with the team. Really dont want Whis just for the sake of giving him a go and canning him when its obviously nothing for the future. Theres some solid coaches out there this summer, why are we not making the most of that

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I voted "sound like a great idea" because KF8 was all alone.

Hahaha! You're too funny! lol Like the late Bob Ross used to say, 'Everybody needs a friend', I guess. lol

 

[KF8]

I voted "sound like a great idea" because KF8 was all alone.

Honestly I only picked "sound like a great idea" because i found it funny. It is also fun to defy all odds. What if Whiz does infact work out? Who knows?!

 

[VF21]

What if Whiz does in fact work out? What if the Kings win 82 games in a row? What if I win SuperLotto tomorrow?

I think the only one of those three with a real chance of success is the third one, and that one could be very interesting considering I didn't even buy a ticket.

 

[Sac.1989]

still feel we should have given one scotty brooks a chance, hes taken a young team much like ours, the thunder and has got them playing much much better then under PJ. He saw the problems there before coming in and he saw the problems here under muss but was never given a chance.