Blazers talking to Kings?

hrdboild

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#61
This is the kind of trade that I can actually see happening. For one thing, Salmons is actually a desirable player right now (which can't be said for Brad, Kenny Thomas, etc). Secondly, even though he might be outperforming his contract at the moment -- trading him would be addition by subtraction. You know the front office is itching to see what Greene can do with more playing time because they called him back up quick when he was dominating in the D-League. And Salmons' contract interferes with our ability to sign other Free Agents either this off-season or next. A future pick might not sound like much, but with the west stacked the way it is, Portland is a key injury or two away from a mid-first round pick next season. That's a pretty nice asset to have, even if it doesn't ultimately amount to much.

The only wrinkle I would add to the proposal would be to try to throw in someone else (umm, Mikki? boy our roster sucks) and pry one of Portland's young bench players away from them. Somebody like Diogu who isn't really in the rotation anyway. Or maybe that Joel Freeland kid they drafted a couple years ago. They don't have enough roster spots for all those players anyway, and one of them might turn into something useful given more regular playing time.
 
#62
Raef Lafrenz is no good to anybody other than his expiring contract. Portland's first round picks this year and any year in the near future is worth nothing as well since they are a top talent team now. So we'll pretty much be trading Salmons for cap space.
I don't agree with this assessment. I know people made similar comments about getting Houston's pick this year in the Artest trade. I mean, not only has Petrie done well with late first round picks, but a number of good players have been drafted lated (even excluding high schoolers who are no longer eligible to be drafted). I mean KMart, David West, Gerald Wallace, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Ginobili, Rudy Fernandez, Sessions, Boozer and that's just off the top of my head.

This doesn't even include the opportunity to package that pick with a player or another pick to move up in the draft (like Portland did to get Bayless).

In other words, I would not underestimate ANY first round pick, even if it is in the 20s.
 
#63
I love the rumors. Especially about the Kings. But I get this feeling that when I wake up tomorrow morning, I'm going to see the headlines "Pritchard denies talk with the Kings." Or something like a "Discussions held, no names openly talked about." I just want something to actually happen as opposed to just talk.
 
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#67
Hoopsworld in their morningupdate (who broke this particular rumor) is stating the the Kings are holding out for Bayless instead of the Portland draft pick.

So we're looking at:

LaFrentz
Bayless

for

Salmons
Moore

If the Blazers don't like that, no problem. I think the only way I would sweeten it personally is to maybe do a B-Jax instead of Moore swap, because he fully expires saving the Blazer 2 million in cap space and could be useful for the Blazers playoff push this season. Also, it keeps Bobby close to Sacto, but allows him to compete this year.
 

Capt. Factorial

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#68
Hoopsworld in their morningupdate (who broke this particular rumor) is stating the the Kings are holding out for Bayless instead of the Portland draft pick.
Now that's what I'm talking about! This report sounds true to me - we're willing to trade Salmons to a contender, but we're not going to give him away. Like Petrie said last year regarding the Artest/Denver negotiations (paraphrased), "They know they price, they have to decide whether they're going to pay it." He didn't back down last year and just give Artest away, and hopefully that will help us this year. Again, assuming the report is correct, if Portland wants Salmons they have to cough up Bayless - and past history tells them we're not going to back down from our price, even if it means not making the trade.

I say, good for us. Let's get a real return on him.
 
#69
Remember Portland also has Joel Freeland and Petteri Koponen stashed away. We could deal Moore + Salmons for LaFrentz + Future 1st + Freeland + Koponen. Or if it's Bayless that would work too.

In my view, when you are trading the player with the worst +/- in the whole NBA you can't be too picky. The +/- stat who individual games I think is not too useful, but over the 200 games Salmons has been here, he has the worst +/- of any of our players. To move foward as a franchise we have to abandon the dead weigth and this would be a start. Oh and I don't have to hear 'AND 1' anymore? Sign me up.
 
#71
If that really is the holdup I really don't see this deal happening. I can't see Portland giving up Bayless so soon.
I don't really see it either, but this has gotten my hopes up. Portland aren't gonna be able to keep all of their young guys though, especially with Roy and Aldridge due for extensions next year
 

Kingster

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#72
I dont get this trade, we get a crappy pick and capspace for our most efficient player . Theres no one worth spending money on this offseason in the F/A list. We need young talent back NOW.
I don't get it either. You're getting a low #1 draft pick in a bad draft year, and you're getting $ that could potentially get you a good young player, but with no guarrantee of getting that good young player.
 

Kingster

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#73
Now that's what I'm talking about! This report sounds true to me - we're willing to trade Salmons to a contender, but we're not going to give him away. Like Petrie said last year regarding the Artest/Denver negotiations (paraphrased), "They know they price, they have to decide whether they're going to pay it." He didn't back down last year and just give Artest away, and hopefully that will help us this year. Again, assuming the report is correct, if Portland wants Salmons they have to cough up Bayless - and past history tells them we're not going to back down from our price, even if it means not making the trade.

I say, good for us. Let's get a real return on him.
I'd say that's a pretty fair deal. Salmons has a higher value than Artest because he doesn't have the baggage. Salmons is a better player right now than Bayless, no doubt about it, but Bayless may have more upside and definitely fills a need.
 
#74
Hoopsworld in their morningupdate (who broke this particular rumor) is stating the the Kings are holding out for Bayless instead of the Portland draft pick.

So we're looking at:

LaFrentz
Bayless

for

Salmons
Moore

If the Blazers don't like that, no problem. I think the only way I would sweeten it personally is to maybe do a B-Jax instead of Moore swap, because he fully expires saving the Blazer 2 million in cap space and could be useful for the Blazers playoff push this season. Also, it keeps Bobby close to Sacto, but allows him to compete this year.
If this goes through I would be thrilled. I would also want to call Kevin Pritchard and tell him about a great bridge I have to sell him as well. :D
 
#75
I'd say that's a pretty fair deal. Salmons has a higher value than Artest because he doesn't have the baggage. Salmons is a better player right now than Bayless, no doubt about it, but Bayless may have more upside and definitely fills a need.

I agree it's a pretty fair deal whether with Moore or Jackson involved. If Pritchard says no, thats fine, it'll just stunt their ability to go further in the playoffs this year and possibly the next couple as well. It's his call. Salmons fills a need for them on a CHEAP contract, cheaper than they could sign anyone to.

If Pritch says no, he's just getting greedy IMO.
 
#76
I agree it's a pretty fair deal whether with Moore or Jackson involved. If Pritchard says no, thats fine, it'll just stunt their ability to go further in the playoffs this year and possibly the next couple as well. It's his call. Salmons fills a need for them on a CHEAP contract, cheaper than they could sign anyone to.

If Pritch says no, he's just getting greedy IMO.
I don't agree. Bayless has alot of potential. Salmons has to start or he's useless. As well as that, he's a ball hog and makes the offense stagnant. This would be a great trade for us, but I just can't see Portland being that careless.
 
#77
I don't agree. Bayless has alot of potential. Salmons has to start or he's useless. As well as that, he's a ball hog and makes the offense stagnant. This would be a great trade for us, but I just can't see Portland being that careless.

They gotta start consolidating talent somewhere. And Salmons is better than Bayless now and the immediate future. With Blake, Rodriguez, Fernandez and potentially Kopenen is there really a role for Bayless in Portland or will he waste away on their bench much like Douby has here in Sacramento.
 
#78
They gotta start consolidating talent somewhere. And Salmons is better than Bayless now and the immediate future. With Blake, Rodriguez, Fernandez and potentially Kopenen is there really a role for Bayless in Portland or will he waste away on their bench much like Douby has here in Sacramento.
I believe Bayless is higher thought of in Portland than Koponen and Blake, but I guess I could be wrong. And PTB should be in no hurry to consolidate talent, their talent is so young that they can afford to wait a few years. It's not as if they have a window that's closing. I wouldn't expect any hasty moves from Pritchard, the best GM in the league, but I'd love it if I were wrong.
 
#79
Now that's what I'm talking about! This report sounds true to me - we're willing to trade Salmons to a contender, but we're not going to give him away. Like Petrie said last year regarding the Artest/Denver negotiations (paraphrased), "They know they price, they have to decide whether they're going to pay it." He didn't back down last year and just give Artest away, and hopefully that will help us this year. Again, assuming the report is correct, if Portland wants Salmons they have to cough up Bayless - and past history tells them we're not going to back down from our price, even if it means not making the trade.

I say, good for us. Let's get a real return on him.

I'm loving this deal. We get a young baller and an expiring contract, Portland gets a very efficient scorer and one of the better on ball defenders in the league (a guy who can guard Kobe). Please Portland, take the deal.
 
#80
I believe Bayless is higher thought of in Portland than Koponen and Blake, but I guess I could be wrong. And PTB should be in no hurry to consolidate talent, their talent is so young that they can afford to wait a few years. It's not as if they have a window that's closing. I wouldn't expect any hasty moves from Pritchard, the best GM in the league, but I'd love it if I were wrong.
Or...you do what you say, you wait and then the bloom is lost on the youngins' and you end up like Chicago. This really is a solid deal for both teams.
 
#81
If we’re just getting LaFrentz by himself then no thanks but if they’re going to add in Bayless, then we should go for it. I’m really hoping we can pull this off. I’d love to have Bayless on this team. I could care less about Raef.

Anybody who has Espn Insider: Rumor Central, they have a piece about Miller and Portland. If you can post it, that be great. Thanks
 

Capt. Factorial

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#83
Bayless for Salmons is value for value. That's the way trades should go down. If Portland doesn't care to take the offer, so be it, but it's not as if the offer's not fair. Both teams get what they're looking for.
 
#85
source: http://dimemag.com/2009/01/the-blazers-want-john-salmons/

THE BLAZERS WANT JOHN SALMONS

Somewhere in Portland, there’s a Blazers fan who just screamed “NOOOOO!!!” But there’s also a chance that someone in Portland is pumping their fist at this idea.

That’s just the kind of player John Salmons is.

With the NBA trade deadline quickly approaching, rumors are starting to fly about who is going where … and the Blazers are definitely in the mix. According to a report via 1080 The Fan and the Sacramento Bee, the Blazers have offered a draft pick and Raef LaFrentz’s expiring contract for John Salmons.

Right now, Portland has a pretty balanced attack. It feels like their entire roster gets in and gets a couple of looks at the basket. With Salmons on board, Nate McMillan would have a double-edged sword. He’s an explosive scorer who can go off, but he’d undoubtedly change the shot attempt equilibrium.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#86
I'd be all over this deal if we could get Bayless. I'm one of those that thinks he can play the point. He sort of got screwed in college. He played the pt in highschool and started the first two game for Arizona and played pretty well. He got injured and by the time he came back the shoot guard for Arizona was injured, so he was forced to play shooting guard the rest of the year. Portland is overstocked at that position, so who knows?
 

VF21

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SME
#88
I highly doubt they trade Bayless. Maybe if we added Bobby Brown and our high second?
I'd be against that deal. I have a lot of hopes for Brown, who has a lot of talent and potential. Tossing him in might end up hurting us more than helping. If we do, in fact, go with Raef and a pick, it's just a further indication to me that Petrie is in fact stockpiling picks with something very interesting in mind. In all honesty, that possibility has me totally intrigued.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#90
I don't see them giving up Bayless for Salmons, if they can pull it off fine but if they can't then screwed up a very good opportunity.
They who?

I think the only ones mentioning Bayless - at least publicly - are people on message boards.