Fire Reggie Theus (re-revisited)
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Theus: Let's put ice-cold Quincy in there with the game on the line.
Sloan: Checkmate!
Anyone else wonder why Quincy was that wide open beyond the arc?
Anyone else wonder why someone would pass the ball to him in the first place (after watching him clunk his previous shots)?
Anyone else wonder what the collective coach's/team's basketball IQ level is?
BUT, this is a type of loss that I can stomach. Both Hawes and Thompson got significant minutes. Hopefully Brown (minus the headband) and Greene will soon get their minutes too, and Jackson will be sitting next to Moore (love Jackson & his positive attitude, but why
shoot those long balls at critical junctures of the game knowing (?) that there's only a 10% chance of making them).
Above all, this was an exciting game to watch! I jumped up and down when Hawes stole the ball and made that spectacular behind the back pass. I watched that play several times to confirm that he actually meant to make that pass. And guess who he made look like a clown on that play - yes, the same guy who made that circus backboard slam dunk pass against us in the previous game. And to make it sweeter, the camera panned to Hawes grinning after looking towards our bench. I'd like to think that they also remembered what happened during the last game.
Sloan: Checkmate!
Anyone else wonder why Quincy was that wide open beyond the arc?
Anyone else wonder why someone would pass the ball to him in the first place (after watching him clunk his previous shots)?
Anyone else wonder what the collective coach's/team's basketball IQ level is?
BUT, this is a type of loss that I can stomach. Both Hawes and Thompson got significant minutes. Hopefully Brown (minus the headband) and Greene will soon get their minutes too, and Jackson will be sitting next to Moore (love Jackson & his positive attitude, but why
shoot those long balls at critical junctures of the game knowing (?) that there's only a 10% chance of making them).
Above all, this was an exciting game to watch! I jumped up and down when Hawes stole the ball and made that spectacular behind the back pass. I watched that play several times to confirm that he actually meant to make that pass. And guess who he made look like a clown on that play - yes, the same guy who made that circus backboard slam dunk pass against us in the previous game. And to make it sweeter, the camera panned to Hawes grinning after looking towards our bench. I'd like to think that they also remembered what happened during the last game.
I jumped up and down when Hawes stole the ball and made that spectacular behind the back pass. I watched that play several times to confirm that he actually meant to make that pass. And guess who he made look like a clown on that play - yes, the same guy who made that circus backboard slam dunk pass against us in the previous game. And to make it sweeter, the camera panned to Hawes grinning after looking towards our bench. I'd like to think that they also remembered what happened during the last game.
There's a lot to like about Spencer Hawes... And to think, I was upset we didn't get Joakim Noah. Silly VF21.
Have to disqualify me then, I am not into it.
One of the very worst teams in the NBA roster-wise (I think we are better than two teams), looking to fry the coach. My reflex is to resist this and I do not mind standing alone in the "no way" column. I have enough whipping boys already in Mikki, Salmons and Brad.
But I think Reggie would welcome being fired he looks very weary to me.
One of the very worst teams in the NBA roster-wise (I think we are better than two teams), looking to fry the coach. My reflex is to resist this and I do not mind standing alone in the "no way" column. I have enough whipping boys already in Mikki, Salmons and Brad.
But I think Reggie would welcome being fired he looks very weary to me.
Above all, this was an exciting game to watch! I jumped up and down when Hawes stole the ball and made that spectacular behind the back pass. I watched that play several times to confirm that he actually meant to make that pass. And guess who he made look like a clown on that play - yes, the same guy who made that circus backboard slam dunk pass against us in the previous game. And to make it sweeter, the camera panned to Hawes grinning after looking towards our bench. I'd like to think that they also remembered what happened during the last game.
I guess only he knows for sure.
Couple days ago I was "... leaning toward yes" as to firing Reggie. Now my lean is about to fall over. And not just from the blown end of the Jazz game but the end of all recent games when coaching doesn't seem to come up with a solution to win games. Can't always be the players.
Then an interesting thought popped into my head. Eddie Jordan just got whacked back in D.C. but he is a really good coach. Bring him in as an "interim" coach, keep everyone else and bump Reggie up to a scout or something?? :-?
Early (like now) would seem to be better than later as all hands are now back and Salmons is out only for short time (?). Gotta do sumthin!!!
Then an interesting thought popped into my head. Eddie Jordan just got whacked back in D.C. but he is a really good coach. Bring him in as an "interim" coach, keep everyone else and bump Reggie up to a scout or something?? :-?
Early (like now) would seem to be better than later as all hands are now back and Salmons is out only for short time (?). Gotta do sumthin!!!
Maybe we should investigate medieval torture techniques.
I continue to be frustrated over Jason Thompson's lack of playing time. Conversely, I'm frustrated over Miki Moore's abundance of playing time.
If Theus would have played Thompson more, all would be forgiven by me about Douby. On the bright side, I wonder if Theus learned something when he was dragged kicking and screaming to plays Hawes more. He only was the best player on the court for the Kings. I guess Theus is going to need another meeting from management to understand that he must play Thompson more. When he is so dense about his personnel, it really makes you wonder how dense he is on other coaching matters...
I continue to be frustrated over Jason Thompson's lack of playing time. Conversely, I'm frustrated over Miki Moore's abundance of playing time.
If Theus would have played Thompson more, all would be forgiven by me about Douby. On the bright side, I wonder if Theus learned something when he was dragged kicking and screaming to plays Hawes more. He only was the best player on the court for the Kings. I guess Theus is going to need another meeting from management to understand that he must play Thompson more. When he is so dense about his personnel, it really makes you wonder how dense he is on other coaching matters...
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I have to wonder if the Douby substitution was an act of passive aggression on Reggie's part. It appears he got sat down and was told directly to start Spencer and was probably not too happy about someone telling him how to do his job.
He knows the ax is looming, so maybe he thought, "You want to see the young guys play? Sure, I'll give you a young guy and see how you like it." Then he inserts the most notorious choker of all his young guys when the game is on the line.
He knows the ax is looming, so maybe he thought, "You want to see the young guys play? Sure, I'll give you a young guy and see how you like it." Then he inserts the most notorious choker of all his young guys when the game is on the line.
Grant on the Direct TV feed indicated that Douby is the better defender of the shooters even tho' he has been cold shooter lately. Did I say FREEZING cold? Now at game ends Douby is 3 for 5 in shooting AIR BALLS!!!!
Greene is too much a rookie at this point for end-game and really only plays the 3.
Theus should have better managed the time of Cisco and Kevin to save one or both of them for the end of the game. Just another example of poor coaching and time management. If saturday is another close loss or any kind of loss for that matter, I can't see this situation going on past next week. Then I see Chuck Person standing in for awhile, maybe even Kenny Natt who is the only one on the coaching staff with any previous experience, he was an assistant with the Cavs last year.
Greene is too much a rookie at this point for end-game and really only plays the 3.
Theus should have better managed the time of Cisco and Kevin to save one or both of them for the end of the game. Just another example of poor coaching and time management. If saturday is another close loss or any kind of loss for that matter, I can't see this situation going on past next week. Then I see Chuck Person standing in for awhile, maybe even Kenny Natt who is the only one on the coaching staff with any previous experience, he was an assistant with the Cavs last year.
Theus is not going to embrace the idea of losing and playing the youth. It is his job to try and win just like it is the players job to play and win. Yes, he is lame, yes it looks even worse when they lose anyway after he plays the vets. I sort of see how his objective is to try and win, I think we all know that he will not still be here when Kings are contenders. It is a lot to ask him to focus solely on developing youth. The management does not want to pay a lot of cash to a coach in this time of rebuild and suckage. They will get a coach of this caliber regardless. Management could be clear. They should just move the guys they do not want him to play. They should tell him to bench certain players. You do realize that management looks at the bigger picture? Sometimes they want a player showcased for a trade possibility that none of us would be aware of. They most likely put regular demands on Theus that contradict any type of "scheme" that they hypocritically call for.
I am not saying Theus does not suck or making excuses for his not playing the youth. I am just trying to see it from another point of view.
I am not saying Theus does not suck or making excuses for his not playing the youth. I am just trying to see it from another point of view.
Del Rodgers on ch. 3 just dropped a little bombshell out of nowhere...
With the Kings logo behind him, and a all-cap headline saying, IS REGGIE THEUS THE RIGHT COACH", Rodgers said, "With a record of 5 wins and 15 losses, the Sacramento Kings are struggling and some critics are saying second-year head coach Reggie Theus might not be the right guy to turn the team around. After dropping 7 in a row, Sacramento will look to right the ship when they host Denver Saturday night."
That was all he said about the Kings or Theus. He jumped right to talking about other games in the NBA...
Hrmmmmm.
With the Kings logo behind him, and a all-cap headline saying, IS REGGIE THEUS THE RIGHT COACH", Rodgers said, "With a record of 5 wins and 15 losses, the Sacramento Kings are struggling and some critics are saying second-year head coach Reggie Theus might not be the right guy to turn the team around. After dropping 7 in a row, Sacramento will look to right the ship when they host Denver Saturday night."
That was all he said about the Kings or Theus. He jumped right to talking about other games in the NBA...
Hrmmmmm.
Okay, "bombshell out of nowhere" probably wasn't the right term to use but I was really surprised to see how they treated the whole situation. No discussion, no opnion, no details - just the huge all-cap headline in the background while Rodgers made what had to be a cryptic comment to people who don't frequent message boards. What I've seen from most of the media up until now is a "Emperor's New Clothes" attitude. Grant and Mike especially act like Reggie is some kind of misunderstood hero in a Greek tragedy.
I predict we'll see a lot of Reggie talking to the media in the next few days as he tries to point the finger of blame in every direction but in the mirror.
I predict we'll see a lot of Reggie talking to the media in the next few days as he tries to point the finger of blame in every direction but in the mirror.
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You're placing artifical emphasis on words that were not emphasized in the broadcast. And the choice of verbage is pretty standard when the media has wind of something but cannot cite actual sources.
And I'm sorry but I'm tired of listening to Reggie's words. Actions speak much louder than words and I, as a loyal Kings fan of 23 years, am simply not satisfied in any way with how he's coaching our Kings.
I know you'll disagree and I respect your opinion but I've had enough. I think it's time for him to go...
And I'm sorry but I'm tired of listening to Reggie's words. Actions speak much louder than words and I, as a loyal Kings fan of 23 years, am simply not satisfied in any way with how he's coaching our Kings.
I know you'll disagree and I respect your opinion but I've had enough. I think it's time for him to go...
I was thinking about this before too. Reggie's ego would always push him to win games, but as of late i'm really confused. If Reggie wants to win, he would put the best players out there, and I believe JT is better than Moore right now, so why is JT not playing that much? And why the hell did he insert Douby in a close game, at crunch time if he wanted to win that game(Jazz)? Why is BJax getting alot of minutes eventhough he has been struggling, and you have Brown sitting on the bench who I think is playing much better than him? I don't think that these moves points to trying to win games. So what is he trying to prove?
Reggie IMO is doing a good job at the coaching because he has this team playing hard every night except for the games at Utah and VS the Mavericks. I believe he need to play the young kids more but not alot,
JT needs to work on taking his time. everytime he touches the ball he rushes and either gets called for the travel or the offensive foul. and he needs to learn to rotate on defense
Donte Greene isnt ready yet to play but he has the offsensive skill that in the future will really help out and help martin and we would have two offensive weapons on the court. and he needs to move without the ball, when he is in the game he reminds me of Sasha V (i dont know how to spell his last name) and just camps at the three point line
Brown is quick, agile, can take it to the hoop from mid court, but needs to work on staying infront of the guy hes defending, when hes in the game, players just blow by him and think thats why reggie yanked him out last night because price and williams were going by him in his short stint that he was in.
All in All i really think by mid december when this team is healty and gets a feel for one another we would look alot, i mean ALOT better then we are now.
And i want to thank Reggie for giving the rookies some minutes. but the fans who say he Needs to play the rookies more, should be glad hes playing them at all. If Adelman was here you wouldnt have see these guys play and watch them be traded only to watch them have a steller game against the kings.
this is just my opinion, im not saying im right this is just my two cents im throwing in for you all to read
JT needs to work on taking his time. everytime he touches the ball he rushes and either gets called for the travel or the offensive foul. and he needs to learn to rotate on defense
Donte Greene isnt ready yet to play but he has the offsensive skill that in the future will really help out and help martin and we would have two offensive weapons on the court. and he needs to move without the ball, when he is in the game he reminds me of Sasha V (i dont know how to spell his last name) and just camps at the three point line
Brown is quick, agile, can take it to the hoop from mid court, but needs to work on staying infront of the guy hes defending, when hes in the game, players just blow by him and think thats why reggie yanked him out last night because price and williams were going by him in his short stint that he was in.
All in All i really think by mid december when this team is healty and gets a feel for one another we would look alot, i mean ALOT better then we are now.
And i want to thank Reggie for giving the rookies some minutes. but the fans who say he Needs to play the rookies more, should be glad hes playing them at all. If Adelman was here you wouldnt have see these guys play and watch them be traded only to watch them have a steller game against the kings.
this is just my opinion, im not saying im right this is just my two cents im throwing in for you all to read
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Aren't the Maloof's still paying Musselman? Eventually the utility of a fresh face has to be outweighed by the disorganization of a lack of continuity.
I would only fire Theus if I see players quitting on the team, or if I see us being blown out more often than not. Close, competitive games provide a product that's compelling to watch on TV, and the losses help our future.
What I can't stand, and pretty much the only thing that I can't stand; is when players cease to care about playing well, (exemplefied by the Knicks of the past half-decade or so.) I don't mind if Theus wants to win every game, in fact I'm happy about it (it helps that he's not particularly good at it). Rebuilding is about building a new team identity. Besides stocking up on talent, it means building a new culture.
So in summary, losing is great for draft position, just don't end up like the Clippers.
I would only fire Theus if I see players quitting on the team, or if I see us being blown out more often than not. Close, competitive games provide a product that's compelling to watch on TV, and the losses help our future.
What I can't stand, and pretty much the only thing that I can't stand; is when players cease to care about playing well, (exemplefied by the Knicks of the past half-decade or so.) I don't mind if Theus wants to win every game, in fact I'm happy about it (it helps that he's not particularly good at it). Rebuilding is about building a new team identity. Besides stocking up on talent, it means building a new culture.
So in summary, losing is great for draft position, just don't end up like the Clippers.
To me... sounds like the usual BS they would say when they have nothing to say - as opposed to a cryptic hint or scoop.
"some critics" = press, radio talk hosts and callers, bloggers
"will look to right the ship" = play better and win.
All that said, I think Reggie's days are numbered - like I said in the other thread the sooner the better for his own sake he looks old.
"some critics" = press, radio talk hosts and callers, bloggers
"will look to right the ship" = play better and win.
All that said, I think Reggie's days are numbered - like I said in the other thread the sooner the better for his own sake he looks old.
I am Angry!!!!!
Whatever happened to continuity. Why is everybody on this board ready to fire or to trade, not allowing this team a chance to rebuild. THIS IS NOT THE FREAKIN OAKLAND RAIDERS!!!
THIS IS THE SACRAMENTO KINGS, DOGGONE IT!!!!!
Where I think continuity, consistancy matters. Where we only had one coach for seven seasons, and now we are looking to fire a second coach, hire an interim, maybe fire him, then go out and find a fourth coach in four seasons?????? MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.
LA does not do it this way
SA does not do it this way
Utah does not do it this way
Why should we? In my view we should ride this thing out at least through the end of the season;
1. Let Reggie's contract end
2. Let's get a HIGH lottery pick
3. Let's get one year closer to the Summer of 2010
4. Let's allow Hawes, Thompson, Greene and Brown get one full year of regular playing time under their belts.......... and then decide whether Coach Theus should be broke off
WHAT IS THE FREAKIN RUSH.
Anybody that wants Theus gone right now, give me names that would be better for this particular job, at this particular time.
Whatever happened to continuity. Why is everybody on this board ready to fire or to trade, not allowing this team a chance to rebuild. THIS IS NOT THE FREAKIN OAKLAND RAIDERS!!!
THIS IS THE SACRAMENTO KINGS, DOGGONE IT!!!!!
Where I think continuity, consistancy matters. Where we only had one coach for seven seasons, and now we are looking to fire a second coach, hire an interim, maybe fire him, then go out and find a fourth coach in four seasons?????? MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.
LA does not do it this way
SA does not do it this way
Utah does not do it this way
Why should we? In my view we should ride this thing out at least through the end of the season;
1. Let Reggie's contract end
2. Let's get a HIGH lottery pick
3. Let's get one year closer to the Summer of 2010
4. Let's allow Hawes, Thompson, Greene and Brown get one full year of regular playing time under their belts.......... and then decide whether Coach Theus should be broke off
WHAT IS THE FREAKIN RUSH.
Anybody that wants Theus gone right now, give me names that would be better for this particular job, at this particular time.
Here's a few:
Tom Thibodeau (Defensive Wizard)
Jeff Van Gundy (Defensive)
Flip Saunders (Offensive Wizard)
Avery Johnson (Defense)
Maybe Even Bill Lambier...
Still, Wouldn't everybody agree that Rick Adelman would be our best bet, and though hindsight is 20/20, maybe the Maloofs should back off on the decision making and leave it to their basketball personnel.
Tom Thibodeau (Defensive Wizard)
Jeff Van Gundy (Defensive)
Flip Saunders (Offensive Wizard)
Avery Johnson (Defense)
Maybe Even Bill Lambier...
Still, Wouldn't everybody agree that Rick Adelman would be our best bet, and though hindsight is 20/20, maybe the Maloofs should back off on the decision making and leave it to their basketball personnel.
Every last one of those names with the exception of Saunders was available at the beginning of this season, and most of those names will be available at the end of this season. Unless you don't want to compete with other franchises.
The only name I would consider letting Theus go for would be Avery Johnson. But he is going to command big dollars, so if Flip, so is JVG.
The only name I would consider letting Theus go for would be Avery Johnson. But he is going to command big dollars, so if Flip, so is JVG.
Purple Reign - I want Theus gone because it's clear to me he's not the right coach for our team.
I don't plan on us grabbing a better coach in mid-season. I'd like to see us bring in an interim coach to focus on playing the kids and at least pretending to show some consistent and cohesive focus on defense.
You're right, they don't. When you have a coach like Phil Jackson, Gregg Popovich or Jerry Sloan, coaching is the least of your worries.
We don't have those gentlemen, however, so comparing our situation to theirs doesn't make much sense.
This all rests solely on Reggie's shoulders, not any of ours.
IF Reggie started playing the kids in a manner that doesn't resemble rotation by dart-board, he'd receive a lot less criticism.
IF Reggie quit saying it's always about winning, he'd receive a lot less criticism.
You're saying that for you it's about consistency. That's fine, unless what you're seeing is consistent bungling - and that's what a lot of us are upset about. Excuses can only last so long. Reggie IS continuing to make the same kinds of errors but, in the opinion of many, he's also compounding those errors by what sure looks like passive-agressive coaching. Some of the minutes the kids have received lately look like nothing logical unless you read in the "Okay, you want minutes for the kids? I'll give you freaking minutes. Now get off my back."
Is that the only interpretation? Nope. Is it the right one? I don't think any of us know.
All we know - and are expressing - is a growing discontent with the whole situation, and this time it's not about the players.
We're the fans; we're the ones who pay to put our butts in the seats to watch. I know I won't be coming down to Sacramento unless I'm fairly certain I'll see heart and hustle, energy and enthusiasm AND at least fair minutes for the future of the team.
It's not about the winning ... or the losing. It's about effort; it's about watching a young team improve and grow; and it's about a coaching staff that apparently can talk the talk but not walk the walk.
I don't plan on us grabbing a better coach in mid-season. I'd like to see us bring in an interim coach to focus on playing the kids and at least pretending to show some consistent and cohesive focus on defense.
You're right, they don't. When you have a coach like Phil Jackson, Gregg Popovich or Jerry Sloan, coaching is the least of your worries.
We don't have those gentlemen, however, so comparing our situation to theirs doesn't make much sense.
This all rests solely on Reggie's shoulders, not any of ours.
IF Reggie started playing the kids in a manner that doesn't resemble rotation by dart-board, he'd receive a lot less criticism.
IF Reggie quit saying it's always about winning, he'd receive a lot less criticism.
You're saying that for you it's about consistency. That's fine, unless what you're seeing is consistent bungling - and that's what a lot of us are upset about. Excuses can only last so long. Reggie IS continuing to make the same kinds of errors but, in the opinion of many, he's also compounding those errors by what sure looks like passive-agressive coaching. Some of the minutes the kids have received lately look like nothing logical unless you read in the "Okay, you want minutes for the kids? I'll give you freaking minutes. Now get off my back."
Is that the only interpretation? Nope. Is it the right one? I don't think any of us know.
All we know - and are expressing - is a growing discontent with the whole situation, and this time it's not about the players.
We're the fans; we're the ones who pay to put our butts in the seats to watch. I know I won't be coming down to Sacramento unless I'm fairly certain I'll see heart and hustle, energy and enthusiasm AND at least fair minutes for the future of the team.
It's not about the winning ... or the losing. It's about effort; it's about watching a young team improve and grow; and it's about a coaching staff that apparently can talk the talk but not walk the walk.