Grades v. Magic 11/01

Kings Team Grade Tonight (L 103-121 to Orlando)?

  • A

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • B

    Votes: 22 25.0%
  • C

    Votes: 37 42.0%
  • D

    Votes: 19 21.6%
  • F

    Votes: 9 10.2%

  • Total voters
    88

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
Ya know you have issues when you lose by 18 and it feels like a bounceback game...

Salmons ( C ) -- quiet start and never did get much consistently going in the first half. Continues to force drives into two or three defenders and lose the ball in the process. Little noise in the early 4th in a battle vs. Hedo. Pretty strong down the stretch helping us with his passing, but dominating the ball in order to do so. A little something here, but was badly outplayed by both the Magic SFs (Hedo/Rashard (mostly playing PF), and even by Mickael Pietrus. Interesting how his lack of size at SF has already been exposed several times here in tthe very early season.

Moore ( C- ) -- in the early going was able to prosper against the Magic's no PF lineup, matched against Rashard Lewis, and was maybe better than his first haalf numbers (4pts 1reb 2ast) would indicate. At least active. Of course on the other hand rather than Mikki getting with it and rising up to the level of the young Kings on the boards, the flow seemed to go the other way as the young bigs got infected with Mikkiitis (brought on by an acute case of Howardophobia) and all turned invisible on the glass. For the third game in a row faded as the game went on, and was nto surprisingly completely ineffective in trying to stop Dwight. this time neither young big was great, but for the third game in a row they were both better than Mikki. Going to be interesting when Brad comes back.

Hawes ( B- ) -- not Odened and competed, but Dwight ain't 6'8" and it showed. Struggled in the first half, and got in foul trouble trying to compete against the vastly physically superior Howard. In the third did a nice job chasing down Rashard on a breakaway and fouling him rather than letting him have the layup. Unfortunately maybe ill-timed as it gave him his 4th foul and picked up his 5th a minute later again trying to stay with the big guy inside. Got the offense going late, but it was against Rashard Lewis which almost doesn't count, and with the game largely out of reach. Chucked in a three becuase he cannot help himself to put us over 100. Had a couple of nice assists, and also a slew of turnovers. Per minute numbers were not bad here, but the game was rather less impressive as Howard dominated us inside and there wasn't much Spencer could do until the dying minutes when it no longer mattered. Did not run screaming into the night however, so good enough, for now.

Martin ( A- ) -- opened the game nicely with a steal and resulting breakaway dunk, but it took a while for him to hit a groove here. His second score was again just a breakway and he was seeing lots of pressure in the halfcourt and was pretty much trying to just run into people and flop out of it but refs weren't going for it. Started to get into a more natural rhythm in the 2nd quarter, at least on offense. Orlando's defense had none of the intensity seen the other night in Miami, and Kevin began to get to his spots fairly easily. On defense was way too small/weak to guard Hedo, and was getting lit up. Surprisingly unable to get much going back the other way in the matchup, as the larger opponent is normally precisely the one Kevin prefers to attack to utilize his quickness. But settled in and got his points if not in dominant fashion, at least back to smooth Kevin type fashion. this continued on right through the third quarter, when the hustle of Jason Thompson gifted him with a couple of more good open looks. Largely invisible down the stretch however, as it was mostly Salmons and very late, Hawes, during those minutes. Kind of mirrored the overall game tonight -- back to the efficiency and high scoring of a more normal Kevin game, but never really any great impact. Was no sense of danger to what he was doing. Still a relief to see him back to being Kevin. We'd go 0-82 this season if the guy from Miami showed up every night.

Beno ( C+ ) -- a Beno sighting in this young season, was our best player in the early going and continued to look smooth if not dominant throughout the first half. Thankfully held onto the damn ball this time, and the offense was coming pretty easily against stubby Jameer Nelson (who is actually a pretty decent defender most of the time). Never really made it back out for the second half however. Not sure what happened. Wasn't that he was bad, per se, just completely invisible. Almost all his numbers were before the break, and he and Jameer Nelson just sank down into a 11pt 5ast vs. 12pt 5ast pillow fight while their teammates decided this one.

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Thompson ( B ) -- in and quickly got introduced to Howard's power, but showed a little more organization to his game in return, wasn't much else from him in the first half, but did at least hit a little side jumper. Was being shielded off the glass by the big guy aside from a hustle board. Came on in the second half however, as Mikki disappeared once again. Had a good hustle board and kickout to Kevin for the open three in the third and knocked another ball lose to him as well. Starting to slow the game down and make the little patient plays he was rushing too fast for in the preseason. Gets a hustle board, and then rather than do something stupid, just kicks it out. Offense looks more controlled. And one thing he did late that will not show up in the boxscore was keep Howard occupied so that Spencer could work on natural SF Rashard Lewis. With three solid performances in a row JT is quickly establishing himself as an NBA player. I'm not really willing to go higher than B on any of these grades for the young bigs however -- they all put up scoring numbers against the undersized Magic, but they all also got their butt kicked inside by Howard, grabbed fewer rebounds combined than he did alone, and stopped nobody inside on defense.

BJax ( C ) -- back to back jumpers in the early 2nd to pull us back some -- finally giving us a little spark off the bench in a role that he used to be so famous for. But that was pretty much it. Did little bad, but almost nothing good therafter, and was just kind of out there. He and Beno combining for a remarkable 24 minutes of just out thereing in the second half in which they might not half gotten 2pts 2ast between them while creaky 2-time ex-King Anthony Johnson outshone both.

Williams ( B ) -- not able to finish, but effective in there early banging around and being active, against the bakcups. Got ruined by Howard in the early 2nd quarter, who went right over, and then through him, but when he came back int he second half actually gave Superman a battle in there. Also came up with a ridiculous slicing, spinning whirling dervish where-the-hell-did-that-come-from drive that made me almost choke on my hot chocolate. Think Candace must be giving him some turoring, or maybe its former whirling-dervish master Reef at work.

Douby ( C+ ) -- as it was not garbagetime, Quincy contented himself with his normal short minute miss and go sit on the bench routine in the first half. Was matched against JJ Reddick too, and you would have thought he could have taken him. Hell, I could probably take Reddick. Came back for another short second half stint, and his lone hit in the early 4th was at least a good one, helping us keep contact as the Magic threatened to put it away early on us.

Thomas ( C- ) -- why oh why? I guess Reggie decided that not having KT in Miami was the problem, so he was back. Kinda like toenail fungus. Gave us a lovely zero points and zero rebounds in his 7 minutes, so glad we brought him along. In all seriousness looked a little better than that, being active on defense and getting one good late in the first half steal jumping in front of Howard in the post.

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Theus ( C+ ) -- well, not sure if this was truly a pride bounceback game for us or not. In a lot of ways the easy offense sort of conceals things -- it always feels better losing when you are scoring easily yourself. Its all so pretty and easy that it covers up the ugly truth that you just lost by double figures again. At least it was a true bounceback for Kevin, who looked more himself even if he never had any real impact on the game. Along the way we shot 53% and scored 103pts -- yay! While letting the Magic shoot 55% and score 121. Not so yay. And all three of our young bigs (because Shelden has to be included this time out) showed a little something, combingin for 37pts 13rebs and 4blks -- yay! While getting chewed up and spat out to the tune of 29pts 14rebs and 5blks by THE young big in the league all by himself. Not so yay. And so it goes -- it just all depends on how you look at this one. In any case, good or not so good it was still better than the debacle in Miami, so progress by default. As I'm not sure about the pride bounceback/fierce we-have-to-win-this-one sentiment truly being out there, its kind of hard to credit Reggie for inspiring such a thing. His apparent contributions to this one being a) activating Kenny Thomas instead of Donte Greene, which I think is some sort of automatic half grade demerit (I am guessing it must have been in anticipation of Howard-related frontline foul trouble havoc), b) perhaps instituting something approaching a hack-a-Howard policy in there in the first half as it seemed that all of our bigs were just taking the hammer/warp up option on Dwight when he caught the ball in low on them, and c) getting together with Stan Van Gundy in an apparently mutual decision by the two benches to play their starters right down to the final buzzer even in a 18 point game. I was not upset with much of anything Reggie did tonight -- although these random 2nd quarter Kenny cameos are confusing -- but we have got to better on defense than this or its going to be a LONG season.
 
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#2
I was able to watch this on NBA Broadband, which sucks, but what can you do.

Jason Thompson is really good, and I'm extremely excited about his future. You can tell that he's still adjusting to the speed of the NBA and he's getting burned on defense and doesn't quite know his spots on offense, but he has a seriously rare combination of hustle and skill. Not many players combine a nose for the ball with this offensive fluidity and speed.

All the vets just look like they're playing for stats and know the team sucks. They're just going through the motions. That's fine, but it's up to Theus to keep spirits up. There's a fine line between rebuilding and sucking but everybody being on the same page (like Miami last year) vs. making life miserable for everyone. Let's hope Theus knows the difference.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#3
I hope people will at least admit to the grades they're giving and support them. Me? I gave the team a B. Yes, there's a lot of work to do and we didn't win but the hustle and effort I saw tonight, especially on the second night of a back-to-back and third game in four nights on the road, was very impressive. There was no quit in any of them.

I disagree pretty strongly with you, nbrans, about the "vets look like they're playing for stats" comment. Which vets are you talking about exactly? I saw team play, I saw them supporting each other and I saw them really being enthusiastic about the play of Jason Thompson, for example. I didn't see anyone going through the motions ...
 
#4
it looks finally everypart of the team function normally
KM can score,other guys can do their part.

But as expected , D. Howard dominated our paint and gave us 3loss in a roll

S. Hawes need to add some muscle

J. Thompson is decent ,we can count on him to provide more as he plays more games
 
#5
I hope people will at least admit to the grades they're giving and support them. Me? I gave the team a B. Yes, there's a lot of work to do and we didn't win but the hustle and effort I saw tonight, especially on the second night of a back-to-back and third game in four nights on the road, was very impressive. There was no quit in any of them.

I disagree pretty strongly with you, nbrans, about the "vets look like they're playing for stats" comment. Which vets are you talking about exactly? I saw team play, I saw them supporting each other and I saw them really being enthusiastic about the play of Jason Thompson, for example. I didn't see anyone going through the motions ...
No one is playing one lick of defense or even really bothering to try, other than Salmons. Mikki Moore in particular has become even more allergic to defense and rebounding, and Martin is hardly even pretending to care about defense. Every now and then Beno decides he hasn't shot in a while so he goes and takes a crazy jumper.

I really don't have a problem with any of that, but I didn't really see a whole lot of hustling out there except from the young guys.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#6
Wow. I don't think we even watched the same game... so clearly I'll just have to agree to disagree with your take, especially where Kevin is concerned.
 

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#8
Defense gets a "D"

I'd give them an F, but at least I saw some of them trying out there on the defensive end. The lack of defensive fundamentals with this team is STAGGERING. Beno looks like he's never been coached by Popovich. He gambles and loses on the defensive end, he goes for fakes he shouldn't go for, and doesn't close out as good as a high schooler. And that goes for Martin and Salmons and Miki. Unbelievably bad. Well coached college teams look *much* better than this team on defense. Watch UCLA for a a half and you'll see more defense than this team shows in three months. Look, if we had a new coach this year, with a new defensive system, I'd cut them slack. But we don't. And the defensive "system" is the same as last year. At this point, there are no excuses.

And I hate, hate, hate the zone defense. It's so micky mouse, so gimmicky. If they want to build a young team, then teach them man to man and stick with it. You might as well raise a white flag for the opposing team when you go to a zone.
 
#9
I give the team a grade of D. They played better, I didn't expect them to win but I think they slightly exceeded my expectations. The defensive effort has to get better, I liked how the Kings played in stretches during the first half but then they'd just let up and the Magic would run off some points.

Positives:
Kevin can still put the ball into the bucket. When this road trip is over he can build his confidence back up, which I think is the only thing holding him back right now.
Thompson should be able to take over the starting job before Thanksgiving, he's just a solid all-around player.
Hawes wasn't in a good matchup but he was trying. He had two great games, now he gets more lessons and more motivation on what to work on.
 

Warhawk

Give blood and save a life!
Staff member
#10
I voted C. They were hustling (at least JT was ;) ), but the offense looked disjointed and the defense needs help. A large part of that was probably due to Howard, but the Magic were getting open 3s like crazy....

And why are they just running a weave between the circles and calling it an offensive set?

I call it offensive, but it ain't no set. :p
 
#12
I almost voted C, but went with B for a couple reasons. The Kings have been missing ZigZag Miller and Cisco Kid on this opening road trip which put them in a hole not unlike last season when they went 0-3 away from home to open without suspended Tru Warier, plus not one single PG on the roster.

Last night against Miami, the Kings by four quarters went 14-17-16-30. After that horror show Coach Theus could find nothing much good to say, but did comment that the last substituted group outplayed the Heat scrubs.

Tonight, the by quarters line in Orlando was a lot better at 28-21-27-27. Yes, there were too many defensive breakdowns, but it was a much better overall team effort than the horror show in South Beach. A big plus is Kevin is out of his mini-slump it would seem.

I'll remain hopeful to grade A at some point, but not likely to happen until full roster is back and possibly JT is starting at PF to show what he can really do for this team in their early rebuilding phase.
 
#13
I gave the team a D.

Kevin - welcome back. Stick around PLEASE.
Spence, JT - Keep it up. Not many can control Dwight.
Shelden - One of your best games I've seen.
Salmons & Beno - Better, but I'm not convinced that either should be starting on this team.
Mikki, Bobby - ENERGY and SPIRIT.
Douby, KT - blah..
Reggie - No Donte? ... hmmm... but Douby...? hmmm...

With that said, thank goodness they all played better than in Miami!
Here's to 1-3!!!! GO KINGS!

One last note to all, we ran into a Orlando team that was READY to break out of a slump. Add that to our tough beginning schedule, and things could've been much much worse.
 
#14
I voted D, I am really excited about Hawes and Thompson and I am glad that Kevin is getting back to his usual self, but... damn... we're still way off from rebuilding in a good way, let alone being excited about this rebuilding effort. That's just me.

I love and support this team no matter what, I think that entitles me to _some_ expectations.

And, oh-by-the-way, guys, you might just want to try to play some defense.
 
#15
Obviously the grading scale has to be lowered for this team relative to any other superior team out there, but this did feel like a bounceback game of sorts, Kevin showed up, Hawes didn't shy away from facing a big center, and Thompson's impressing as of now. Bobby seems to me rapidly deteriorating--he has always been a streaky jumpshooter, but with his rapidly advancing age and deteriorating quickness it's clear that he's really a backup-backup type rather than a clear cut option off the bench. I gave this team a B; B- to be exact, because we frankly still got blown out when all is said and done, but again, the expectations have to be lowered here, and we did bounce back.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#16
Gave the team a C. Only because it was a team grade and its hard to give a team a higher score when they lose by that much. I thought coming out of college that Thompson was the real deal. But your never sure. Now I'm convinced he is. He has a long way to go, but he has a chance to be very special.

I thought Hawes played pretty well despite having to try and handle Howard. No mean feat! Hawes will never be Howard, but he does have some skills that Howard doesn't have. If he can just add a little more muscle to his frame, I think he can become one of the top centers in the league. I know he has been compared to Vlade and Miller, but he reminds me more of Bill Walton in his younger days. For those youngsters out there that don't remember Walton the player, he was pretty damm good.

It was nice to see Martin find his game. Lets hope he doesn't lose it again soon. He had a tough match-up trying to guard Hedo. I was actually hoping before the game that Reggie would start Thompson at SF. I think he's just as quick as Hedo and at least he's tall enough to match up. I knew that wouldn't happen, but one can dream.

Beno was just OK, but needs to be better if this team is going anywhere. Salmons was Salmons. Mikki was Mikki, and unfortuately, Thomas was Thomas, and he played.

I don't even want to talk about the defense. It was a mess. I don't think it was for lack of trying. I saw people running all over the place trying to guard an open man. The question is, why was he that open. Either the teachers are bad, or the pupils aren't listening. On the starting five, the one person out of position constantly wasn't Hawes, but Moore. He constantly left his man to double or trap, and never rotated back in time. I indirectly blame him for a couple of Hawes fouls. I have no idea if what he's doing is by design, but its not working.

To Reggie: I would like to see Hawes and Thompson play together by design and not by accident or circumstance. If you have a plan for that, I don't see it. 7 to 9 minutes for Greene on the floor will be more valuable in the long run than giving those minutes to Thomas. If Greene can't get a couple of minutes now, how many will he get when Miller and Cisco come back?
 

CruzDude

Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
#17
I too gave them a C. The Kings are still in a virtual preseason and missing two key gogs: Brad and Cisco. To get an idea how much Cisco can mean to the team look at Spurs without Mano: there 0-2!!

My real problem now is with Mikki. He can't (won't?) jump, is relatively timid in the middle and on the boards and last night was the lowest rebounder on the team BUT is the starting PF?? And his scoring is down to boot.

On the one hand Coach's hands are tied without Brad and he has only 2 rookies to fill in. Probably can't throw them to the Lions so quick. My gripe is the amount of minutes Mikki continues to get. Versus the Magic:
Shelden >>11 pts, 2 pf, 2 blk, 4 reb in 18 min
Mikki >>> 6 pts, 4 pf, 0 blk, 1 reb in 20 min
Jason >>>12 pts, 5 pf, 1 blk, 5 reb in 24 min

and the previous 2 games were similar and worse. 20 min isn't much but both the kids were doing better vs. the Monster Howard, who I think will do that now against the whole league. Unfortunately, this may need to be the pattern for two more games until Brad gets back then it will take Brad awhile to get back up to speed.

Beno did better and is trying to get more movement into the sets. But the problem appeared to me to be an awful lot of standing around too much of the time. Spacing was not good and the movement of game 1 just isn't there. Can't point to any one on that issue but is it coaching or is it something else? hmmmm

Spencer has a long way to go to learn how to survive against more seasoned "bigs" on both ends. Over eager is many fouls and that takes time to correct.

Salmons has to be careful and shed the moniker he is getting, "Thumper". As in thump-thump-thump-thump dribbling too much and holding on too long. Part of that can be lack of decent movement by others but a good 2-3 creates plays. Work in progress, him starting.

Kevin others have tabbed pretty well so will just do a small "sigh" and see what happens up in Philly monday night.
 
#18
i gave them a B. I admit that it's subjective and hopeful. I like the way the offense is coming together. And I think they have the potential to get better in this area throughout the year. We have some competent scorers in your young guys. While we're not going to have the same kind of dynamic "O" we saw in the glory years, we're showing we can hurt teams in different ways depending on matchups, particularly with the versatility of some of the youngins. Suprisingly, Shelden showed a bit of offensive ability - maybe he justs needs some minutes to be a 8/8 kind of guy? If so, Id be fine with him coming off the bench.

Defensively, they are frustrating to watch. I don't think it has anything to do with "not playing hard." They hustle, but they are so fundamentally unsound almost across the board, it is truly disturbing - true with both individual and team defense. When we do see decent man-to-man, on-the-ball coverage, we see a kickout to a wide-open dead eye shooter (e.g., r.lewis) left open for an easy three. And at this point, we also have no strategy for slowing down any of the legit bigs in the league. Having brad will give us someone else to throw out there, but we're talking about minimizing domination against us, not stopping or even slowing it down much. We'll have to ask for off-nights from our opposing legit bigs once in awhile if we want to pull off a few wins here and there.

but to put things in perspective: I've had 2 days to decide if I want to upgrade my broadband and buy NBA LP on-line, and i'm up for it because I think the kings will be fun to watch. They also seem to be less likely to implode given the lack of a big ego player that's kept things out of balance for the last 3-4 years. from a fan's point of view, that lowers the anxiety level and makes me look forward to watching the team develop - win or lose.

also, 4 games on the road to start a season - WTH? not the best scheduling scenario
 
#19
The team did have better hustle and determination than that debacle down in Miami, but they still got their @@@es handed to them. No grade higher than a C for a double digit loss! I give the King's a charitable "C".
 

Entity

Hall of Famer
#20
I hate this lineup

Bobby Jackson
Quincy Douby
Kevin Martin
Kenny Thomas
Sheldon Williams

This is the lineup that will give you a - in the +/- EVERYTIME
 
#21
I gave the team an F for not winning.

A for Thompson :
Actually, Thompson is the only one I've seen having the utmost desire to win this game. The Kid gave his best again and it clearly showed on how he hustled and defended the paint.

B for Hawes and Williams :

Hawes looks like a Kid having an inferiority complex when playing against the "real bigs" in the NBA. He disappeared against Oden, and now against Howard, although you can tell he exerted 100% effort in his game. I think Hawes should realize all he needs to do is use his quickness and brain against these bullies. Also, don't let these bullies get used to bullying you everytime you play against each other. You have 6 fouls to give in 30 minutes of playing time - experiment on using them all maybe you'll learn something. Let them know emphatically they can get hurt if they force their way against you.

I gave Williams a B for the effort I've seen in his game. He is not that talented, but you can tell he gives 100% effort especially in defense. He actually looked like the only one physically capable of defending the paint. This Kid is not afraid to bang bodies.

D for Martin, Udrih, Salmons :
Martin scored 31 points. Yes, you are terrific in scoring, but did your team win? Maybe you should work your *** out playing defense too, so that the team will have a higher chance of winning. Your brand of play is so unfair to your teammates !

Udrih and Salmons just don't have confidence on their teammates. There were lots of times that Hawes, Thompson, and Williams were clearly in a good position to score and they did not give the ball. Don't they trust their team mates?

F for Moore :
Moore being a failure on the rebound and shot block department at 7' 0" is pathetic. Well, I still want him as a King, because he gives emotional boost to the team, especially when he does that pump fist with a mean face and crying out loud when something good for the Kings is going.

F for the rest of the team :
The rest of the team didn't really do anything to win. Their efforts were so bad you don't want to remember they played.
 
#22
I gave the team an F for not winning.

A for Thompson :
Actually, Thompson is the only one I've seen having the utmost desire to win this game. The Kid gave his best again and it clearly showed on how he hustled and defended the paint.

B for Hawes and Williams :

Hawes looks like a Kid having an inferiority complex when playing against the "real bigs" in the NBA. He disappeared against Oden, and now against Howard, although you can tell he exerted 100% effort in his game. I think Hawes should realize all he needs to do is use his quickness and brain against these bullies. Also, don't let these bullies get used to bullying you everytime you play against each other. You have 6 fouls to give in 30 minutes of playing time - experiment on using them all maybe you'll learn something. Let them know emphatically they can get hurt if they force their way against you.

I gave Williams a B for the effort I've seen in his game. He is not that talented, but you can tell he gives 100% effort especially in defense. He actually looked like the only one physically capable of defending the paint. This Kid is not afraid to bang bodies.

D for Martin, Udrih, Salmons :
Martin scored 31 points. Yes, you are terrific in scoring, but did your team win? Maybe you should work your *** out playing defense too, so that the team will have a higher chance of winning. Your brand of play is so unfair to your teammates !

Udrih and Salmons just don't have confidence on their teammates. There were lots of times that Hawes, Thompson, and Williams were clearly in a good position to score and they did not give the ball. Don't they trust their team mates?

F for Moore :
Moore being a failure on the rebound and shot block department at 7' 0" is pathetic. Well, I still want him as a King, because he gives emotional boost to the team, especially when he does that pump fist with a mean face and crying out loud when something good for the Kings is going.

F for the rest of the team :
The rest of the team didn't really do anything to win. Their efforts were so bad you don't want to remember they played.
I go along with your comments on the bigs. And, I can agree with your rating of Martin & Beno because of their defense, but Salmon's deserves better. Salmon is 2nd in scoring, 1st in assts, and 4th in rebounds. Yes, he drives into double teams, but who else is going to the rim. And, if this team had anyone who could hit a 3 pt shot, maybe he would give up the ball.

The rest of the team leaves only BJax and Douby, and neither deserves an F. Booby isn't the player he was, but the effort is definitely there. Douby is scoring, rebounding and has only 1 TO in 3 game. Besides he just coming off a injury, so I give both of them a C.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#23
I gave the team an F for not winning.

A for Thompson :
Actually, Thompson is the only one I've seen having the utmost desire to win this game. The Kid gave his best again and it clearly showed on how he hustled and defended the paint.

B for Hawes and Williams :

Hawes looks like a Kid having an inferiority complex when playing against the "real bigs" in the NBA. He disappeared against Oden, and now against Howard, although you can tell he exerted 100% effort in his game. I think Hawes should realize all he needs to do is use his quickness and brain against these bullies. Also, don't let these bullies get used to bullying you everytime you play against each other. You have 6 fouls to give in 30 minutes of playing time - experiment on using them all maybe you'll learn something. Let them know emphatically they can get hurt if they force their way against you.

I gave Williams a B for the effort I've seen in his game. He is not that talented, but you can tell he gives 100% effort especially in defense. He actually looked like the only one physically capable of defending the paint. This Kid is not afraid to bang bodies.

D for Martin, Udrih, Salmons :
Martin scored 31 points. Yes, you are terrific in scoring, but did your team win? Maybe you should work your *** out playing defense too, so that the team will have a higher chance of winning. Your brand of play is so unfair to your teammates !

Udrih and Salmons just don't have confidence on their teammates. There were lots of times that Hawes, Thompson, and Williams were clearly in a good position to score and they did not give the ball. Don't they trust their team mates?

F for Moore :
Moore being a failure on the rebound and shot block department at 7' 0" is pathetic. Well, I still want him as a King, because he gives emotional boost to the team, especially when he does that pump fist with a mean face and crying out loud when something good for the Kings is going.

F for the rest of the team :
The rest of the team didn't really do anything to win. Their efforts were so bad you don't want to remember they played.
Boy, I'm glad your not my teacher. :rolleyes: I agree on Thompson. Disagree on Hawes and Beno and Martin. Agree on Moore, and I'll tell you from experience that a player that pumps his fist in the air and screams after a dunk, when thats his only score in the game does nothing for his teammates emotional state. It might make, you, as a fan feel better, but thats about it.

I would ask you to remember that for every action there's a reaction. Which is why I sort of picked on Moore in an earlier post. Moore was guarding Lewis and constantly left him to double or to push out the pick an roll. Maybe by design. I don't know. When he was late getting back, Lewis burned him for a three. When he got back, barely in time, Lewis put it on the floor and went around him. Hawes then dropped off Howard to help. The ball went to Howard for a dunk, and unfortuately for Hawes, sometimes a foul.

Now thats not all Hawes fault. When guarding a player like Howard, the best Hawes can really do on defense is front him and deny him the ball. That gets very difficult to do if the defense breaks down somewhere else. Sometimes it leaves Hawes out to dry. Once Howard gets the ball near the basket, there aren't many players that can stop him. Thats why I think Hawes deserves a little bit of a pass on his defense. At least in this game.
 
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Boy, I'm glad your not my teacher. :rolleyes: I agree on Thompson. Disagree on Hawes and Beno and Martin. Agree on Moore, and I'll tell you from experience that a player that pumps his fist in the air and screams after a dunk, when thats his only score in the game does nothing for his teammates emotional state. It might make, you, as a fan feel better, but thats about it.
And I'm sure glad you're not my team mate, because you seem like too individualistic not to get affected by your lowly team mates positive emotions. :cool:

I'll tell you from experience, when the whole team is down and feeling beat, it uplifts my spirit a lot when my lowly team mate starts pump fisting and screaming as though telling the whole team " we are better and it's not over yet ".

It just makes the better players not give up and fight more.
 

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And I'm sure glad you're not my team mate, because you seem like too individualistic not to get affected by your lowly team mates positive emotions. :cool:

I'll tell you from experience, when the whole team is down and feeling beat, it uplifts my spirit a lot when my lowly team mate starts pump fisting and screaming as though telling the whole team " we are better and it's not over yet ".

It just makes the better players not give up and fight more.
I think you and bajaden are talking about different times. He's referring to Mikki's actions after a dunk; you seem to be taking about Mikki's cheer-leading from the bench. Two entirely different circumstances...
 
#27
You're gonna really be frustrated by the end of the season if that's gonna be your outlook...

As far as your comments about Kevin Martin go...



I think the team deserves only two grades after the final buzzer sounded. It would only be an F if they lose, and an A if they win - however they played as a whole.

Also, I don't think I will be frustrated that much for our rebuilding team as a whole. My expectation for the team is somewhere between 15-30 wins depending on how much exposure our young players gets playing actual games.

Regarding my comments about Martin, I think it is pretty much valid. Martin is on his 5th year now in the NBA. He is being payed top millions$$, indicated he wants to lead this team, but look at his defense?

Is that the kind of leadership Martin is going to give?

The bottom line is Martin with all the athleticism bestowed to him by God, should exert more effort to give defense the same level of effort most of our bigs are giving. It seems like he is only using his energy on offense, then will consequently get the glory for being the top scorer of the team, while the team suffers in defeat because of lack of defense.
 

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Yeah, okay.

"Get the glory for being the top scorer while the team suffers in defeat?"

Congratulations. You've done what very few people are able to do. You've left me speechless...