Kings Select in the 2008 NBA DRAFT??

Arthur is screwed then because yesterday it was his last day to go back to school..

For some reason nbadraft.net had him in the top ten for a while after his finals game.. Seems they have backed off and put him at his rightful place at #16.. That's where I have him going as well.. Philadelphia could get away with playing him at PF with Dalembert at C. Only problem is I don't think him and Thaddeus Young are PFs.. Jason Smith would fair better.
 
Arthur is screwed then because yesterday it was his last day to go back to school..

For some reason nbadraft.net had him in the top ten for a while after his finals game.. Seems they have backed off and put him at his rightful place at #16.. That's where I have him going as well.. Philadelphia could get away with playing him at PF with Dalembert at C. Only problem is I don't think him and Thaddeus Young are PFs.. Jason Smith would fair better.
You have him going at 16... You do remember our little bet, don't you? :p
 
I believe he did work out for a couple of teams that pick before us, so its possible that one of them could have given him a promise. Hey, its just fun speculation.

Also, remember that according to the Arenas Camp, Petrie gave them a promise, that he didn't keep.
It's possible that some team gave him a promise. The Bee said he struggled through the Kings' workout with back pain, so it doesn't sound like he had a very good showing in front of Petrie. He had worked out for the Wizards, Nets, and Sonics and he said he hurt his back before the Sonics workout so he probably only has a couple of good workouts so far with the Nets/Wizards. I don't think there is a promise, but if there is, I'd say it's from the Wiz.
 
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Well, if he didn't show up because of back pain and didn't think he could perform a decent workout, fine. But he should have at least imformed someone of that . Just doesn't look good for him, in my humble opinion.
 
LOL yah.. 20th right? I win if it's #20 right? Or am I 21+ and you 1-20? Who get's #20 if he's drafted there?

I think you are going to win though.. Because supposedly the 76ers are in love with him.
From what I remember I said he'll get picked 21st or earlier. 21 is definitely in my head. Maybe you had 21st or lower. If he goes 21st, we can always go back and check! Don't worry Gary, I'm not a mean person, I won't do anything too evil! :D
 
The key, I think at this point, is having both Galinari and Alexander go in the top 10. That will push one of the PGs (Westbrook or Augustin) or one of the bigs (sounds like Randolph at this point) down to #12. If DeAndre Jordan goes before us, even better, although it sounds like his stock is falling. Worst case scenario is having to choose between Galinari and one of the lower tier bigs (Arthur, Speights, etc).
 
The key, I think at this point, is having both Galinari and Alexander go in the top 10. That will push one of the PGs (Westbrook or Augustin) or one of the bigs (sounds like Randolph at this point) down to #12. If DeAndre Jordan goes before us, even better, although it sounds like his stock is falling. Worst case scenario is having to choose between Galinari and one of the lower tier bigs (Arthur, Speights, etc).
That's your worst case scenario? Whoo, I'd love to see your best case!
I think that's quite a nice scenario to be in. If Gallinari is there, we should take him. Watch him play, he's very, very talented. He's more than capable of being our SF for the next decade on a challenging team. And unlike a lot of Euro SFs who come here, he is not one dimensional. He's athletic, a good shooter, passer, slasher and ball handler for his size. He's got skills, and I'd be verys surprised if he's there when we pick.
 
That's your worst case scenario? Whoo, I'd love to see your best case!
I think that's quite a nice scenario to be in. If Gallinari is there, we should take him. Watch him play, he's very, very talented. He's more than capable of being our SF for the next decade on a challenging team. And unlike a lot of Euro SFs who come here, he is not one dimensional. He's athletic, a good shooter, passer, slasher and ball handler for his size. He's got skills, and I'd be verys surprised if he's there when we pick.
Well, of course we're going to get someone that can play at #12. But I think there's a serious drop off from guys that solve a serious need (Augustin and Westbrook at PG, Randolph at athletic PF) to guys who don't fit a need (Gallinari at SF) or have serious questions (Arthur, Speights). I feel like if we end up with a guy like Arthur or Speights especially, we're just as good trading down to #17 and picking up some other assets as well.

Or--even better--we land one of the ideal guys at 12 AND trade one/some of our vets for another pick in the #15-25 range.
 
Been a lot of that rumor goin around...I really hope we dont get Arthur if Speights, Alexander, Randolph, or Westbrook are still on the table.

I'm scared that Petrie will 'pull a Douby' this draft (I'm still bitter we didnt get Rondo haha). Here's to hoping Speights hits a lot of jumpers during the workout.

Alexander or Randolph please! :D
 
I tried to post just the link, but it didn't work out. So here's the article in its entirety. You just can't have too much info...


10, 2008
[FONT=times new roman, times, serif]Draft Sleepers[/FONT]
Looking Past Upside

by Bradford Doolittle
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(As part of Prospectus' continuing relationship with Sports Illustrated, you can also read this piece at SI.com.)
NBA teams love upside.
Give any basketball operations guru a prospect with an NBA body--just the right combination of height, wingspan, strength, speed, quickness, leaping ability--and drooling will ensue. So what if this hypothetical bundle of talent shot 41 percent from the floor and never took a shot beyond eight feet from the basket? He's got upside. You can't teach size. You can't coach up athleticism.
This is the kind of thinking that allowed Carlos Boozer to squirm until he was finally selected with the sixth pick of the second round by the Cleveland Cavaliers in the 2002 draft. Boozer had steadily improved as a collegian at Duke, and turned pro after raising his per-game averages to 18.2 points and 8.7 rebounds as a junior. He shot above 63 percent from the field in his three college seasons and parlayed his bruising style of play into one of the best foul-drawing rates in the country.
Boozer did all of these things on a loaded squad, against the highest levels of competition in amateur basketball. Yet on draft day, 2002, luminaries such as Nikoloz Tskitishvili (fifth overall pick), Dajuan Wagner (sixth), Marcus Haislip (13th) and Curtis Borchardt (18th) were all selected ahead of him. Boozer's sin? At 6'9", Boozer was a tweener. Not tall enough to play center, not enough reach for even power forward and not agile enough to play at the three spot. As it turned out, Boozer is ranked with Houston's Yao Ming and Phoenix's Amare Stoudemire as the best players from that draft.
Boozer is only the most glaring current example of a longstanding tendency of those who make the selections in the draft to value potential over production. If you can get both, great, but when you have to settle for one or the other, go with upside. The lower you get in the draft, the longer the reach of the draftniks will get. The reason for this isn't hard to figure out. Elite teams in the NBA are built on the shoulders of impact players. Those players have been coming into the NBA at a younger and younger age through the years, which makes the job of personnel people across the league much harder than it used to be. If you drafted strictly by production, you'd have missed out on Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett and LeBron James, all high school phenoms with no college record on which to stand.
Now that American players have to play at least one season of college ball, the task of screening out the all-talent/no-skills types is a little easier. That's not to say it's easy, though. Teams are still making draft missteps on college players because of the all-important phenomenon of upside. Atlanta selected unproven Marvin Williams second overall in 2005 even though he hadn't cracked the starting lineup on a North Carolina squad that won the national title. In doing so, the Hawks missed out on point guards Chris Paul and Deron Williams--a blown pick that Atlanta may never live down.
Quite a few of the productive "tweener" types who fall to the late first round or the second round emerge as good pro players. The Utah Jazz were one of the five best teams in the NBA this past season. Besides Boozer, the Jazz also got key contributions from second-round players Paul Millsap, Mehmet Okur and Kyle Korver as well as undrafted Ronnie Price. Okur came over from Turkey, but the rest of these players were all productive collegiate players with translatable skills. Millsap led the NCAA in rebounding in all three of his years at Louisiana Tech. Korver posted one of the best three-point percentages in the land during his time at Creighton.
Is there another Boozer or Millsap to be found in this year's draft, coming up on June 26? Of course. There are always sleepers. There are also always busts, often talented players without a track record drafted because of their potential. This year's most likely candidates in that vein are LSU's Anthony Randolph and Texas A&M's DeAndre Jordan. A great starting point for avoiding these pratfalls is a careful examination of the statistical records of draft-eligible players. How productive were they? What do we even mean by productivity?
For one, we mean the ability to produce points, whether it be by scoring points, handing out assists or grabbing offensive rebounds. Secondly, we mean that the player was able to do so in an efficient manner. A player who can produce, say 30 points for his team while using up 25 possessions in a typical game is not nearly as good of a prospect as a guy who produces those same 30 points in 18 possessions. Finally, we look for players who can create their own offense. If a player can't create scoring chances at the college level, you can be sure he won't be able to do it in the NBA. The context of these numbers, as it is with all numbers, has to be taken into account. Scoring 30 points per game in the ACC is a whole lot more impressive than doing it in the Summit League. All of the players on the list used up at least 28 percent of his team's possessions last season. This "usage rate" is indicative of a player's ability to generate scoring opportunities, an essential quality if a player's performance is going to translate to the next level. The full accounting of offensive rating leaders can be found in the statistics section, and is based on the work of BP's Ken Pomeroy.
Jason Thompson (6'11" SR, PF, Rider)
Thompson is a likely mid- to late- first round pick, but he has lottery talent. Thompson posted an offensive rating of 110.9, 23rd in the nation among high-usage players. He shot 57.8 percent from the field on two-point shots. Most impressive, he blocked 8.6 percent of opponents' two-point attempts while he was on the floor, the 46th-best qualifying rate in the country. Thompson combines those numbers with some of the physical attributes that scouts love--great leaping ability, speed and explosiveness in the open floor. Thompson sprouted four inches while in college so he's a late bloomer. His jump shot is a work in progress (just 34 three-point attempts as a senior) but he does seem to have an affinity for playing a face-up game, a necessity because of his slender build. It's a wonder Thompson doesn't project higher in mock drafts. He's going to be a better pro than similarly-sized Donte Greene of Syracuse.
Ryan Anderson (6'10" SO, SF/PF, California)
Simply put, Anderson was one of the best offensive players in the country last season. His offensive rating of 121.1 ranked third in the NCAA among high-usage players. He's got good dimensions (6'10", 235), hit 41 percent of his 156 three-point attempts and was one of the 100 best rebounders in the college game, grabbing 11.6 percent of his own team's misses and 23.5 percent of the chances off the defensive glass. Anderson, who hasn't hired an agent and can still withdraw from the draft, posted these numbers as a sophomore in the tough Pac 10. He's the neo-Keith Van Horn.
Richard Hendrix (6'8" JR, PF, Alabama)
Hendrix may be this draft's poster child for productive players underrated because of tweener size. Hendrix made more than 60 percent of his two-point shots and his offensive rebound rate (12.9 percent of his own team's misses) was 59th in the country. He's a tireless worker, adept at getting to the foul line (52.5 free throws per 100 field-goal attempts) and--here's the kicker--had a block rate of 7.2 (82nd). That suggests that Hendrix plays bigger than his height, probably because of his long arms. He'll be a steal for somebody. He's not a star but could be this year's version of Millsap.

Trent Plaisted (6'10" JR, PF/C, BYU)
Plaisted is a tweener big man with a center's game in a power forward's body. He has a solid set of interior skills (54.2 percent on two-point shots) and surprising athleticism. His calling card is his postup game, which translated to a terrific foul-drawing rate, 45th in the country. Plaisted has a good wingspan but didn't translate that to an outstanding block rate (3.5 percent of opponent's two-point attempts) in college. He also was not a great rebounder, converting just 9.2 percent of offensive-rebound opportunities, 402nd in the nation. Plaisted didn't attempt a three-pointer last season but he probably needs to develop a faceup game to play in the NBA. The fact that he shot just 54 percent from the line suggests that may be easier said than done.


Sean Singletary (5'11" SR, PG, Virginia)
Hey, Singletary is about the same size of fellow ACC alum Chris Paul, right? He had a history of making big shots for the Cavaliers during his four seasons. As a senior, he posted the 12th-best assist rate (37.7) in the country. He's good at using his body to create contact and drawing fouls, with a 46.6 free-throw rate. His primary drawback is, obviously, his size. The Chris Pauls of the world are a rare breed. Of more concern should be his shooting percentages, which weren't strong in college and translate to be unsightly in the NBA. Singletary shot 45.6 percent on two-pointers and 36.7 percent on three-pointers as a senior, translating to an effective field-goal percentage of 48.7. His raw numbers (19.8 points, 6.1 assists per game) were good, though, and he put them up in an elite conference. The kid's got heart.

Gary Forbes (6'7" SR, SG, Massachusetts)
Forbes is a lunchpail swingman type who can get his own shot (29.1 usage rate) and has solid passing skills, with an assist rate of 17.8 that is nice for a player of his type. He's also a decent rebounder for his size, leading UMass by grabbing 17.3 of opponents' misses last season. Forbes could sneak his way into the league if he can guard NBA wing players. Of major concern are the low shooting percentages Forbes posted throughout his four seasons at UMass. As a senior, he shot a 45.7 eFG%, not a good sign. He's more productive than efficient, averaging 19.4 points, 7.5 rebounds and 3 assists per game but posting an offensive rating of just 99.8. Forbes doesn't really have that one skill that jumps out at you.
 
Not gonna post the article because it is really long, but this is a list of teams that each player has worked out for so far, as of today.

http://realgm.com/src_feature_article/173/20080620/2008_nba_player_workout_list/

I'd like to know why we've worked out so many SG's

The Kings were among more than ten teams that watched a workout featuring CDR, Rush, Lee, Walker, and other SGs. So that explains why we "worked out" so many SGs. To my knowledge, none of them were invited to Sacramento.
 
Anthony Randolph would be my first choice at #12. We need the size and a good athlete.
According to reports by espn and draftexpress, Randoff is falling like a rock in the draft. He has shown up overweight and and has had very poor workouts.
Speights, on the other hand, who had a reputation for not being in shape, has shown up in great shape and had outstanding workouts. As has Jason Thompson. Take it for what its worth.
 
Yeah, I've never really seen what the big deal is about Randolph. He's got good size and he's reasonably athletic, but while he looks like he can dribble well for a big he looks really awkward on the court.
 

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According to reports by espn and draftexpress, Randoff is falling like a rock in the draft. He has shown up overweight and and has had very poor workouts.
Randolph may be falling in the draft, but I'm pretty confident he isn't overweight. He makes Tayshaun Prince look like a sumo wrestler.
 
Randolph may be falling in the draft, but I'm pretty confident he isn't overweight. He makes Tayshaun Prince look like a sumo wrestler.

He's obviously not overweight, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he hasn't fattened himself up a bit to try and diffuse the criticisms about his skinniness. He already tried working out in a long sleeve shirt in order to make himself look bigger.
 
I'm starting to cool off a lot on Randolph. His numbers are inflated since he plays around 32 mpg.

In fact, his per 40 pace adjusted rebounding numbers are basically the same as Arthur's. His standing reach is only 2 inches higher, and they are pretty close in terms of athleticism I would imagine.

Arthur is stronger, bigger, and also has a better back to the basket/post game.
 
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I'm starting to cool off a lot on Randolph. His numbers are inflated since he plays around 32 mpg.

In fact, his per 40 pace adjusted rebounding numbers are basically the same as Arthur's. His standing reach is only 2 inches higher, and they are pretty close in terms of athleticism I would imagine.

Arthur is stronger, bigger, and also has a better back to the basket/post game. He also shoots a higher percentage and has a much better A/TO ratio.

Didn't you know Arthur sucks and is a midget who can't rebound with no skill?:rolleyes:

You are going to get hated on a lot for praising Arthur, lol.
 
Didn't you know Arthur sucks and is a midget who can't rebound with no skill?:rolleyes:

You are going to get hated on a lot for praising Arthur, lol.
I'm not really praising him so much as I am saying that Randolph is likely not much better of a prospect, if he is at all.

I'm really starting to lean towards Speights heavily if we decide to go PF. He has the best numbers of any of these guys, and has the ideal height and weight for the position to boot.

I'd say he is the 3rd best prospect at PF without question, and he has a shot at being the best PF in the draft.
 
I'm not really praising him so much as I am saying that Randolph is likely not much better of a prospect, if he is at all.

I'm really starting to lean towards Speights heavily if we decide to go PF. He has the best numbers of any of these guys, and has the ideal height and weight for the position to boot.

I'd say he is the 3rd best prospect at PF without question, and he has a shot at being the best PF in the draft.

To be honest I kinda want Jordan, McGee, or Hibbert. That way we could have a twin towers kind of thing going on. Also watched a workout video of Hibbert/McGee/Jordan and Hibbert looks way more athletic than he used to now that he lost 15-20 pounds. Jordan is a freak athlete and so is McGee, they both have a lot of potential.

I'm thinking we should definitely look at trading down. I don't see Westbrook going to us and I think DJ Augustin is Indiana's guy. So we won't get a PG. Portland I see taking a guy like Joe Alexander or Brandon Rush and who knows what GS will do, but, I don't really see either taking the same type of guys we'd be looking at(athletic bigs). PHX supposedly wants to move up, so do a couple other teams in the 15-20 area. Realistically we could definitely get 1 of Speights, Jordan, McGee, Hibbert, or Arthur there. And there is not really that much seperating any of those guys in my mind as far as being a prospect, Speights and McGee are good offensive players, horrible defenders with potential to be a lot better there and questionable work ethics. Jordan is your athletic freak who has questionable skills and Arthur+Hibbert are both pretty good already, but people don't see them as maybe having as much potential as either of the other 3(I think Arthur probably does but that's another story), and people question their rebounding etc.

Where we are at the moment seems to be about the area Alexander/Rush etc. will go and I don't want either of those players. We need a big man not more SFs. So unless a guy like Randolph with a bunch of potential slips I'd much rather trade down. And it's questionable whether Randolph is even a better prospect than the guys I mentioned in the paragraph above anyway, because he has questions about where he'll play, if he can gain weight/strength, shooting ability, etc.

They all have talent but they all have question marks too so this draft definitely has a lot of fluidity/potential movement as far as who could go where. If we can pick up 1 of those big men we like while getting a little something extra in a trade, I like that a lot better than reaching for a player at #12.
 
To be honest I kinda want Jordan, McGee, or Hibbert. That way we could have a twin towers kind of thing going on. Also watched a workout video of Hibbert/McGee/Jordan and Hibbert looks way more athletic than he used to now that he lost 15-20 pounds. Jordan is a freak athlete and so is McGee, they both have a lot of potential.

I'm thinking we should definitely look at trading down. I don't see Westbrook going to us and I think DJ Augustin is Indiana's guy. So we won't get a PG. Portland I see taking a guy like Joe Alexander or Brandon Rush and who knows what GS will do, but, I don't really see either taking the same type of guys we'd be looking at(athletic bigs). PHX supposedly wants to move up, so do a couple other teams in the 15-20 area. Realistically we could definitely get 1 of Speights, Jordan, McGee, Hibbert, or Arthur there. And there is not really that much seperating any of those guys in my mind as far as being a prospect, Speights and McGee are good offensive players, horrible defenders with potential to be a lot better there and questionable work ethics. Jordan is your athletic freak who has questionable skills and Arthur+Hibbert are both pretty good already, but people don't see them as maybe having as much potential as either of the other 3(I think Arthur probably does but that's another story), and people question their rebounding etc.

Where we are at the moment seems to be about the area Alexander/Rush etc. will go and I don't want either of those players. We need a big man not more SFs. So unless a guy like Randolph with a bunch of potential slips I'd much rather trade down. And it's questionable whether Randolph is even a better prospect than the guys I mentioned in the paragraph above anyway, because he has questions about where he'll play, if he can gain weight/strength, shooting ability, etc.

They all have talent but they all have question marks too so this draft definitely has a lot of fluidity/potential movement as far as who could go where. If we can pick up 1 of those big men we like while getting a little something extra in a trade, I like that a lot better than reaching for a player at #12.
Nice post, and this is pretty much where I'm at too. At this point I really don't envy a choice between Randolph/McGee/Speights/Hibbert/Arthur/Jordan because they all seem to pretty much be at the exact same level in terms of pros and cons. Randolph/McGee/Jordan/Speights seem to have more risk and more upside, Hibbert/Arthur seem to have less risk less upside. It could be the one or two of these guys really break out, or it could be that none of them do.

I could also see Petrie trading out for someone like TJ Ford (could Toronto want Alexander or Gallinari if he slips?) or Barbosa or someone else who's on the block.

This is such a tough draft to call.
 
Nice post, and this is pretty much where I'm at too. At this point I really don't envy a choice between Randolph/McGee/Speights/Hibbert/Arthur/Jordan because they all seem to pretty much be at the exact same level in terms of pros and cons. Randolph/McGee/Jordan/Speights seem to have more risk and more upside, Hibbert/Arthur seem to have less risk less upside. It could be the one or two of these guys really break out, or it could be that none of them do.

I could also see Petrie trading out for someone like TJ Ford (could Toronto want Alexander or Gallinari if he slips?) or Barbosa or someone else who's on the block.

This is such a tough draft to call.
This is where I'm at as well, there is a good chance all of these guys will be available when the Kings pick at #12 and some of them should last into the late teens to early 20s. Trading down could still get the Kings the player they want but the problem is what will they get in return to warrant trading down? No team has multiple mid to late 1st round picks and they really don't need a third 2nd round pick.

Now I would take Barbosa any day of the week if the Suns would part with him to move up but I'm hoping the Kings pass on TJ Ford. The guy is a borderline starter in the league with a history of injury problems...we'd be better off with Beno.

Although if history is any indication, Petrie is not the most creative GM on draft day. I would not expect him to make any moves whatsoever, probably go with the best player on the board with all 3 picks and probably cut the 2 second rounders in training camp. Hopefully this year we will see a little more action.
 
I don't think the Daily News has any insight into what the Kings are going to do. Basically people are taking that story from a year ago that said the Kings really liked Hibbert before he dropped out, now they're saying, "Hey, maybe the Kings will take Hibbert."

Different year, different group of bigs, and of course the drafting of Spencer Hawes changes the landscape quite a bit.

If Lopez dropped to 11 that would be an absolute steal. I don't know what in the heck has happened to NBA GMs, but after 30 years of drafting have they really started underrating good bigs??