Consolidated Artest rumor thread

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nbrans

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Another Amick update:

(10:05 a.m.)
As a quick addition to the prior post, there are indications that - at the very least - the power struggle within Denver's front office continues. And with the vast majority now saying owner Stan Kroenke will have the deciding vote, consider this passage from Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo!
"Kleiza isn't just a player for Denver, but part of the ownership's family. Stan Kroenke has known Kleiza since his days at Missouri, when he was a teammate and close friend of Kroenke's son, Josh. The Nuggets traded for Kleiza, a 6-foot-8 Lithuanian, on draft day in 2005 and watched him develop into a terrific young player.
'There's a feeling from ownership that, ‘Hey, we've helped turn this kid into a player, so how can we let him go'" an Eastern Conference executive said."

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/
 
Bricklayer

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Variant said:
I dunno, I don't want to give up Ron for nothing (or very little). Best worst-case scenario would be we resign him at the end of year to some sort of reasonable deal and then have him available for trade once again. Someone will still want to take a swipe at him next year, guaranteed.
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Artest on a long term big $$ contract is one incident from being the greatest anvil this team has seen since Ralph Sampson. Completely 100% unmoveable. And it doesn't help to have conduct clauses, because all those will do is enable you to void the deal and go ahead and choose to lose him for nothing. Meanwhile he holds a complete veto over coaches, players, playing style, his shots, his minutes. If he acts up, we have no recourse except to fire him basically and lose him for nothing.
 
Vlade4GM

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nbrans said:
Another Amick update:

(10:05 a.m.)
As a quick addition to the prior post, there are indications that - at the very least - the power struggle within Denver's front office continues. And with the vast majority now saying owner Stan Kroenke will have the deciding vote, consider this passage from Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo!
"Kleiza isn't just a player for Denver, but part of the ownership's family. Stan Kroenke has known Kleiza since his days at Missouri, when he was a teammate and close friend of Kroenke's son, Josh. The Nuggets traded for Kleiza, a 6-foot-8 Lithuanian, on draft day in 2005 and watched him develop into a terrific young player.
'There's a feeling from ownership that, ‘Hey, we've helped turn this kid into a player, so how can we let him go'" an Eastern Conference executive said."

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/
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Oh crap, why can't we just do the najera, smith, and 1st deal? Come on, do something Petrie!
 
Variant

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Bricklayer said:
Artest on a long term big $$ contract is one incident from being the greatest anvil this team has seen since Ralph Sampson. Completely 100% unmoveable. And it doesn't help to have conduct clauses, because all those will do is enable you to void the deal and go ahead and choose to lose him for nothing. Meanwhile he holds a complete veto over coaches, players, playing style, his shots, his minutes. If he acts up, we have no recourse except to fire him basically and lose him for nothing.
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Would you feel better about a shorter-term offer? 2-3 years with a team option?

Of course, Artest would have to go for this. A lotta IF's (he'd have to have zero other offers out there, etc), so I understand the risk of not saying yes even to a subpar offer now.
 
Bricklayer

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Variant said:
Yeah, that's just it. What rebuilding team or team that's a few years away from contending is going to be interested in picking up Ron? The main suitors are always going to be teams that are "close". They won't have the $$ to sign him outright, so even if the Kings end up keeping him, we have a good shot to resign him and still trade him to a contender.
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In which case said contender drops a bunch of long term contracts on us. Nifty.

In a S&T our leverage is trememdously reduced by this being Ron Artest. Nobody will send us a major piece for him, and we ourselves would be idiots if we seriously considered forcing Ron to return wiht us. Nothing quite so happy happy joy joy as Ron Artest back on the squad when he wanted to go elsewhere.

We have a chance to escape this contract now, have it all go poof this offseason, maybe get a pick + more out of it. Meanwhile anything offered this summer is at the very least going to involve those contracts expiring after next year, if we are lucky. And at the numbers Ron wants, how many contenders are going to have $10 mil in expiring contracts sitting around attached to expendable players? So in all liklihood you start taking back contracts that run into 09-10, and then...

The future is seriously murky if we can't pull this off.
 
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I'm not thinking necessarily that we do a S&T during the offseason. Ideally if we're unable to trade Ron now I guess I picture signing him to a somewhat short-term deal (2 years with team option would be great at around $10 mil a year or something), and then just plan to be back in the scenario we are now around mid-season. Contenders looking for pieces and more willing to give up their exceptions or expirings to make their end of season run...

Maybe too perfect a picture.

I think Phoenix should go for Ron. Now.
 
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Dave (Indy): After watching Kobe scorch the Suns for 41, do the Suns realize they need a lock down defender (Artest?). If so, what would it take?

Chad Ford: (1:13 PM ET ) I've been told that they have interest in Artest ... though I can't confirm that interest has turned into serious trade talk. They've obviously been out there pursuing cheaper, less combustible options. They have a big trade exception to work with and the expiring contract of Eric Piatkowski. Quentin Ross is a name that has come up lately. Ditto for Mickael Gelebale. Obviously a long athletic swing man who can play lock down defense is a priority. Ditto for a backup point guard. I'm not sure I risk Artest if I'm the Suns ... but then again ... if he behaves ... you'd have to love the Suns chances int he West.


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Eric (Denver): Are the Nuggets going to do anything today? Artest???

Chad Ford: (1:14 PM ET ) Sounds like they're staring down Sacramento. They'll give up cap space and a first round pick, but don't want to part with Linas Kleiza. Will the Kings blink and take that? Will the Nuggets blink and include Kleiza? I think it's probably the biggest question on everyone's mind.


Espn.com .. chad ford is doing a live chat where people can write in questions.. thats what he has said about the kings thus far. ..
 
nbrans

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Latest from the Denver Post:

The clock is ticking toward the NBA trading deadline at 1 p.m. Mountain time. Nuggets officials, as of late Thursday morning, continued to work the phones and are trying to decide whether or not to deal Linas Kleiza, the affordable young forward, to Sacramento for veteran Ron Artest.

Sources close to the Nuggets say it's becoming increasingly unlikely they'll make that move. As reported by the Denver Post today, a source close to Artest felt that it would be unlikely for Sacramento to trade Artest without receiving Kleiza.

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In another development, it's been learned the Nuggets are in talks with Miami to potentially acquire players with expiring contracts, notably guard Jason Williams and forward Ricky Davis. Such a deal could possibly involve Nene, who has a long term contract.

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_8325239
 
Bricklayer

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MassachusettsKingsFan said:
Chad Ford: (1:14 PM ET ) Sounds like they're staring down Sacramento. They'll give up cap space and a first round pick, but don't want to part with Linas Kleiza. Will the Kings blink and take that? Will the Nuggets blink and include Kleiza? I think it's probably the biggest question on everyone's mind.
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This is that game of chicken I mentioned. The one where neither side swerves, and so you both end up dead. I found Artest a strange target for the Nuggets, but they have no chance in the West without him. Meanwhile we can't move forward with a new identity until this is done.
 
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Bricklayer said:
This is that game of chicken I mentioned. The one where neither side swerves, and so you both end up dead. I found Artest a strange target for the Nuggets, but they have no chance in the West without him. Meanwhile we can't move forward with a new identity until this is done.
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If we don't take this, sans Kleiza, we will regret it this summer.
 
Rockmeister

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Circa_1985_Fan said:
1 hour and 17 minutes left until we find out that Ron Artest is still a member of the Sacramento Kings...
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You know I was in favor of Artest when he was here, however, I really want him gone. He's been playing really good for the last several games, however, what happens if he doesn't score as much as he has been, then what? I say lets trade him while his value is high.
 
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This is clearly a game of staredowns in the potential Kleiza/Artest trade; the thing is, the Nuggets still consider him a central core to their bench with his lethal scoring abilities, so it's tough to trade away a very consistent asset for a very talented asset with a high risk/high reward payment. I think much of the situation in terms of stalling of the trade has to do with Artest's volatility as much as it has to do with Kleiza's current production/potential factor. The Nugs have many guys with tough guy reputations (AI, Carmelo, KMartin) and a defensive stalwart in Camby, so I'm not sure if Artest with his reputation would exactly "bring them over the top"--yeah with the defense, but it may also be mild redundancy (amplifying scoring and defense while reducing shooting %). That all being said, I don't think the Nugs bite on the trade when all is said and done.

I didn't check if contracts match at all, but I think they'd prefer to throw in expendable assets Nene and Eduardo Najera and perhaps a future 1st for Artest--if that's the case, I'd jump on that deal; I've established my encouragement about getting Nene in any potential deal, and he's redundant for the Nugs in that 1) he's injured, and 2) there are bigs Steven Hunter, Camby and KMart ahead of him. Najera's redundant in that he's a slightly better hustling, defensive version of Kleiza. I can see the Nugs much more willing to sack those two for our Artest, and it could benefit us if Nene recovers, and Najera's a guy willing to play defense with us with the loss of Dahntay Jones. That 1st rounder will also bode well for the future. So that's my preferred trade, and hopefully it goes down that way.
 
OvechKiN

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dime dropper said:
Can't we trade both?



Answer: None will be moved. Kings roster will stay as it is, unfortunately.
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Artest is my favorite player! And I have his jersey :(
We were all begging other teams to take Miller last year for expirings.
This year, we have a chance and should trade him while his value is the highest its been.
 
Bricklayer

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Geoff is highly unlikely to blink in a situation like this. Not his style. Been a major problem in the last few years actually as Geoff doesn't blink, the problem gets pushed off until tommorow, he doesn't blink again, and finally you run out of tommorows. Its like a guy playing cards who refuses to ever fold. Sometimes cashing out and living to play another (hopefully stronger) hand is the way to go.
 
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Wuster said:
If we don't take this, sans Kleiza, we will regret it this summer.
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This actually makes for an interesting debate. I see your point that it is better to get something than to risk getting nothing. However, in a business like the NBA, where there are reputations and a limited number of partners to deal with on a repeat basis, is it better to risk losing out on a late first round pick (forget expirings, Ron is an expiring) to keep your repurtation as someone who won't be pushed around? Once there is blood in the water and you get a reputation as someone who will fold under pressure just to make a deal, you risk losing the respect of your peers and seeing a ton of lowball offers in the future.
 
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