PF/C's Around the league...

#1
I guess everyone share the same thoughts, we are in dire need of a dominant PF/C since we lost CWebb. And I took a few minutes to take a look around the league to check some guys who could fill our void in a realistic way, totally non-fantasy trade.
Knicks:
Zbo
Eddy Curry
both unhappy being benched a couple of games and they didnt work out together the way Isiah Thomas wondered. Great scorers, Zbo takes advantage IMHO cuz he can rebound way better than Curry. If Zbo could bring to Sac what he did for the Blazers in the 06-07 season it would be sweet.
Cavs:
Drew Gooden
I guess he isnt the answer, hes good, but very limited.
Memphis:
Pau Gasol
Hes the best big available in trade talks IMO and I think Memphis has in Gay a new fan favorite and might want to build the team around him and Mike Conley Jr.
Bucks:
Villanueva
Bogut
CV should be a very good pick up, but not worth any of our main trade pieces, but pairing Andrew Bogut with Brad Miller (and later with Spencer Hawes) looks VERY intriguing to me, I'd love to give it a try. All 3 of them are great passers and Bogut also has some rebounding ability.

so, after all I have my favorites in this order...
1. Pau Gasol
2. Andrew Bogut
3. Zach Randolph
4. Charllie Villanueva
5. Drew Gooden
6. Eddy Curry

Given these players, who should we really go after if we are trading Bibby, Artest and/or Miller?

IMHO, if we go after Gasol we should trade Miller, a protected 1st round pick and some of our young swingman (would try not to include Martin).
As for Bogut, I'd like to keep Miller so we could pair them in the paint, so probably Artest would have to package his bags to Milwaukee.
 
#2
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I tried this 3-way deal to try and get us Andrew Bogut... what do you guys think about it? Maybe the bucks would have to add a 1st round pick in our direction to make up for the loss of two starters, but Bogut is a very solid Center who reminds me of Divac and could pair very well with Brad Miller, besides we would be getting off our books the salary of Bibby.

Roster after the moves
Sacramento Kings:
C - Andrew Bogut / Justin Williams
PF - Brad Miller / Mikki Moore / Spencer Hawes
SF - John Salmons / Bobby Simmons
SG - Kevin Martin / Francisco Garcia
PG - Beno Udrih / Daniel Gibson / Damon Jones
Milwaukee 2008 1st round

Cleveland Cavaliers: (they would finally pair the long dreamed Bibby and James)
C - Zydrunas Ilgauskas / Justin Williams / Dwayne Jones
PF - Anderson Varejao / Donyell Marshall / Cedric Simmons
SF - LeBron James / Ira Newble
SG - Larry Hughes / Sasha Pavlovic
PG - Mike Bibby / Eric Snow

Milwaukee Bucks: (Heck of a backcourt without losing much at C with the addition of Gooden)
C - Drew Gooden / Dan Gadzuric / Michael Ruffin
PF - Yi Jianlian / Charllie Villanueva
SF - Ron Artest / David Noel
SG - Michael Redd / Charllie Bell
PG - Mo Williams / Royal Ivey / Quincy Douby

in bold are the reasons each team would seal the deal IMO.

any thoughts?
 
#3
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Bucks:
Villanueva
Bogut
CV should be a very good pick up, but not worth any of our main trade pieces, but pairing Andrew Bogut with Brad Miller (and later with Spencer Hawes) looks VERY intriguing to me, I'd love to give it a try. All 3 of them are great passers and Bogut also has some rebounding ability.
I haven't heard anything that Bogut is available. I can't imagine why the Bucks would trade him but if they do, they'd want more than just Ron Artest; and they'll dump Bobby Simmons on you too.

As for Zach Randolph, no thanks. He is an overpaid, no-defense, ball-hogger.
 

Entity

Hall of Famer
#4
If you want domination on offense Eddy Curry is the way to go. He just doesn't play good defense and doesn't have the drive to fight for rebounds. Now could that be changed given a better situation I don't know. But Eddy is a dominate low post scorer.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#5
I guess everyone share the same thoughts, we are in dire need of a dominant PF/C since we lost CWebb. And I took a few minutes to take a look around the league to check some guys who could fill our void in a realistic way, totally non-fantasy trade.
Knicks:
Zbo
Eddy Curry
both unhappy being benched a couple of games and they didnt work out together the way Isiah Thomas wondered. Great scorers, Zbo takes advantage IMHO cuz he can rebound way better than Curry. If Zbo could bring to Sac what he did for the Blazers in the 06-07 season it would be sweet.
Cavs:
Drew Gooden
I guess he isnt the answer, hes good, but very limited.
Memphis:
Pau Gasol
Hes the best big available in trade talks IMO and I think Memphis has in Gay a new fan favorite and might want to build the team around him and Mike Conley Jr.
Bucks:
Villanueva
Bogut
CV should be a very good pick up, but not worth any of our main trade pieces, but pairing Andrew Bogut with Brad Miller (and later with Spencer Hawes) looks VERY intriguing to me, I'd love to give it a try. All 3 of them are great passers and Bogut also has some rebounding ability.

so, after all I have my favorites in this order...
1. Pau Gasol
2. Andrew Bogut
3. Zach Randolph
4. Charllie Villanueva
5. Drew Gooden
6. Eddy Curry

Given these players, who should we really go after if we are trading Bibby, Artest and/or Miller?

IMHO, if we go after Gasol we should trade Miller, a protected 1st round pick and some of our young swingman (would try not to include Martin).
As for Bogut, I'd like to keep Miller so we could pair them in the paint, so probably Artest would have to package his bags to Milwaukee.
Well well -- first of KingsinBrazil, good thread! Just this very morning I was fiddling with starting a similar one about the bigs that might actually be available either in trade or in the draft. Since you have already started it, in a few I will just chip in with my thoughts as far as I had developed them.

(BTW, Bogut is apparently not avaialble -- rumor is that the onyl two players not on the market in Milwaulkee are Bogut and Yi -- guess they are going to build around them as the young frontcourt of the future (even if that seems soft and dubious))
 
#6
Bogut and Miller are virtual clones of each other, except Bogut's much younger. And not to mention, I thought we had our new "Miller" in Spencer Hawes...

We ought to go for a athletic shotblocking big man.
 
#11
we do have a ton of guard, and theres no doubt NOK needs them but there are plenty of other guards they could aquire without giving up west.. thats just my opinion, but if we could get him i'd be very happy
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#12
Okay, here was my list:

Big Names
1) Pau Gasol -- one of the best and has inside/outside game and passing to fit our fascination with such, but softish and expensive. Does not rebound, difference maker?
2) Jermaine O'Neal -- Not 100% clear he is still onthe market with the Pacers somewhat revived, but he probably is. Was overrated at his peak, but still formerly an All Star 20-10 type guy with major defense. Not that old either, but has a lot of mileage and injury problems. Huge salary, rebounding is not what it was, and cannot be paired with Artest (or traded for him -- would have to be us making multiple deals).
3) Zach Randolph -- still a 20-10 guy I'm sure, but how many years of bad teams does he have to be on before you really question if he makes you any better?
4) Eddie Curry -- its hard to tell with Zeke, who just talks like a complete nut anymore, whether he will mve one, the other, or both of Randolph/Curry. Post presence obviously. BUt damn if that isn't the only thing he gives you. And I do mean the only thing. Just a soft, lazy bum of a player, and he;s a post guy the way Reef is a post guy nowadays -- sure he scores, but you have to stop your offense to get him his points, and he makes nobody any better and doesn't do anything else.
5) Amare? Marion? -- there have been rumors about these two obviously, although I remain sceptical they will be moved midseason in a year when the Suns again are atop the West seemingly with a shot to get to the Finals. Seems more like a give them one last shot type situation. Anyway, Amare is young + the guy, but he's also maybe selfish, arrogant, and a poor rebounder/defender. Still, such a talent you take ti and worry about the rst later. Marion is not so young, and is still a SF in a normal system, but does it all.
6) Brand? -- I might just be making this one up. But can they/will they actually stick with what they have down there after a return to their failing ways? Even if he did become availabel, not as young as he once was, undersized, comng off major injury...scary stuff.

Recent Lottery picks
1) Tyrus Thomas/Joakim Noah -- one, the other, or both seem out of favor in Chicago, and the Bulls have largely given up playing them in a sudden burst of "must win nowitis". Remain quite intriguing as young bigs with potential upside that we might be able to get as sort of a delayed lottery pick, but not sure what we have that Chicago needs.
2) Charlie Villanueva -- #7 pick from '05 rumored to be on the block with Yi performing adequately. Soft as butter, but a talented scorer.
3) Patrick O'Bryant -- #9 pick '06 just has never been abel to make it in Golden State. Question is whether that is his fault of the wacky Nellieball system + Nellie's lack fo bigmen expertise. Seems like he should be available, but who knows.
4) Fran Vasquez -- #11 '05, otherwise known as Flakeboy. Hasve no idea if he can play or not. No idea if he's grown up or he's still a scared little child. do known that Orlando should be looking to bolster themselves for a playoff run, and the rights to Vasquez could/should be part of that if there's any chance mommy will let him out of his room to come pay across the pond.
5) Darko Milicic -- #2 '03. Still doing his backyup center bit, now in Memphis, and logically if Pau is available, then Darko would be too. Not a sure thing of course. Thing is I'm getting reasonably convinced this is it for Darko -- backup center. Puts up good numbers, yet when you watch him it is frequently uninspiring.

Just guys
1) Drew Gooden -- I think this one is likely just in the context of Mike Bibby. I'm still not terribly interested/inspired by him otherwise.
2) Udonis Haslem -- same as Gooden. The Miami Herald this mornig was reporting that we were demanding Haslem back as part of the price for Bibby. Which if that's true, along with the similar demand for Gooden just tell me that Geoff is completely unambitious at this point.
3) Kurt Thomas -- this is just an ending contract. Rumored to be available as the Sonics look to utterly clean hosue wiht hiim -- get draft picks to take him, then turn around and trade him for yet more assets. Thing is, hard to imagine them wanting to take long term veteran contracts in return, so..?
4) Dan Gadzuric -- likely can still give you Justin Williams type production, but at a nasty contract price. Rumors say Milwalukeee is now iwlling to move him, but queston is if they haven;t competely destroyed his value at this point.
5) Kenyon Martin/Nene -- big contracts and simply cannot stay on the floor. Maybe togetehr you have one healthy PF at the low cost of $20+ million combined. No team will take Kenyon, and as Nene suffers through injury number 1746 have to wonder how long until he reacehs the same status, fitfully impressive play or no.
14) Zaza Pachulia -- just a guess. Started the last two years, now deeply buried behind Horford. Seems like a recipe for change. Still only 23/24, although not sure he has shown much potential to be more than starter on a bad team stuff.
15) Etan Thomas -- whenever he gets back. but likely unmoveable now with that contract and the health question.

Draft Picks
1) Michael Beasely -- problem is that when you have a 22pt 13reb college PF they get projected to go #1/#2 and you have to get lucky. Still nto 100% sold on him as an NBA PF as opposed to SF, but he's answering all questions in spectacular fashion so far.
2) Roy Hibbert -- projected #5 to #8, 7'2" big, slow, defensive stalwart. Can he rebound? I always, and maybe it s just geography, but have a tendency to think of him in a Brendan Haywood sort of way, although Hibbert is getting Princeton experience in college that might make him a different sort of player.
3) Kosta Koufos -- projected #5 to #8 7'1" Oden's replacement at Ohio State (which is now becoming a modern center U. -- next year they bring in B.J. Muellens who is again the #1 center prospect). He is our style center -- whicih is to say all kinds of inside/outside offensive skill but possible soft.
4) Darrel Arthur -- projected #10 to #12, I am still nonplussed what the big fuss is about this guy -- an NBA plyer to be sure, but the next time he dominates a game will be the first. Still, he's a super athletic 6'9" guy who should fill out, and seems to have the bread and butters for the PF position in a running system,
5) Kevin Love -- projected #15-#18, super skilled frosh was once considered a Top 5 type guy, but may be doing the Josh McRoberts because of questions about his athleticism and whether he'll be able to do much against the bigger/stronger guys in the NBA (especially on defense). Physical and skilled however. He and Brad would be catastrophic together as a frontline.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#13
We could get West, they lack guards we have tons of good ones.
Villy is another solid option he would be alot easier to obtain, the only thing I would worry about is his defence.

New Orleasn is not trading David West. They are having a great season, and he is one of the pillars of that season. He, Paul and Chandler are the young core. They aren't going anywhere. They'd probably let us have Peja back for $13mil per if we asked nicely though. :cool:
 
#14
Okay, here was my list:

Big Names
1) Pau Gasol -- one of the best and has inside/outside game and passing to fit our fascination with such, but softish and expensive. Does not rebound, difference maker?
2) Jermaine O'Neal -- Not 100% clear he is still onthe market with the Pacers somewhat revived, but he probably is. Was overrated at his peak, but still formerly an All Star 20-10 type guy with major defense. Not that old either, but has a lot of mileage and injury problems. Huge salary, rebounding is not what it was, and cannot be paired with Artest (or traded for him -- would have to be us making multiple deals).
3) Zach Randolph -- still a 20-10 guy I'm sure, but how many years of bad teams does he have to be on before you really question if he makes you any better?
4) Eddie Curry -- its hard to tell with Zeke, who just talks like a complete nut anymore, whether he will mve one, the other, or both of Randolph/Curry. Post presence obviously. BUt damn if that isn't the only thing he gives you. And I do mean the only thing. Just a soft, lazy bum of a player, and he;s a post guy the way Reef is a post guy nowadays -- sure he scores, but you have to stop your offense to get him his points, and he makes nobody any better and doesn't do anything else.
5) Amare? Marion? -- there have been rumors about these two obviously, although I remain sceptical they will be moved midseason in a year when the Suns again are atop the West seemingly with a shot to get to the Finals. Seems more like a give them one last shot type situation. Anyway, Amare is young + the guy, but he's also maybe selfish, arrogant, and a poor rebounder/defender. Still, such a talent you take ti and worry about the rst later. Marion is not so young, and is still a SF in a normal system, but does it all.
6) Brand? -- I might just be making this one up. But can they/will they actually stick with what they have down there after a return to their failing ways? Even if he did become availabel, not as young as he once was, undersized, comng off major injury...scary stuff.

Recent Lottery picks
1) Tyrus Thomas/Joakim Noah -- one, the other, or both seem out of favor in Chicago, and the Bulls have largely given up playing them in a sudden burst of "must win nowitis". Remain quite intriguing as young bigs with potential upside that we might be able to get as sort of a delayed lottery pick, but not sure what we have that Chicago needs.
2) Charlie Villanueva -- #7 pick from '05 rumored to be on the block with Yi performing adequately. Soft as butter, but a talented scorer.
3) Patrick O'Bryant -- #9 pick '06 just has never been abel to make it in Golden State. Question is whether that is his fault of the wacky Nellieball system + Nellie's lack fo bigmen expertise. Seems like he should be available, but who knows.
4) Fran Vasquez -- #11 '05, otherwise known as Flakeboy. Hasve no idea if he can play or not. No idea if he's grown up or he's still a scared little child. do known that Orlando should be looking to bolster themselves for a playoff run, and the rights to Vasquez could/should be part of that if there's any chance mommy will let him out of his room to come pay across the pond.
5) Darko Milicic -- #2 '03. Still doing his backyup center bit, now in Memphis, and logically if Pau is available, then Darko would be too. Not a sure thing of course. Thing is I'm getting reasonably convinced this is it for Darko -- backup center. Puts up good numbers, yet when you watch him it is frequently uninspiring.

Just guys
1) Drew Gooden -- I think this one is likely just in the context of Mike Bibby. I'm still not terribly interested/inspired by him otherwise.
2) Udonis Haslem -- same as Gooden. The Miami Herald this mornig was reporting that we were demanding Haslem back as part of the price for Bibby. Which if that's true, along with the similar demand for Gooden just tell me that Geoff is completely unambitious at this point.
3) Kurt Thomas -- this is just an ending contract. Rumored to be available as the Sonics look to utterly clean hosue wiht hiim -- get draft picks to take him, then turn around and trade him for yet more assets. Thing is, hard to imagine them wanting to take long term veteran contracts in return, so..?
4) Dan Gadzuric -- likely can still give you Justin Williams type production, but at a nasty contract price. Rumors say Milwalukeee is now iwlling to move him, but queston is if they haven;t competely destroyed his value at this point.
5) Kenyon Martin/Nene -- big contracts and simply cannot stay on the floor. Maybe togetehr you have one healthy PF at the low cost of $20+ million combined. No team will take Kenyon, and as Nene suffers through injury number 1746 have to wonder how long until he reacehs the same status, fitfully impressive play or no.
14) Zaza Pachulia -- just a guess. Started the last two years, now deeply buried behind Horford. Seems like a recipe for change. Still only 23/24, although not sure he has shown much potential to be more than starter on a bad team stuff.
15) Etan Thomas -- whenever he gets back. but likely unmoveable now with that contract and the health question.

Draft Picks
1) Michael Beasely -- problem is that when you have a 22pt 13reb college PF they get projected to go #1/#2 and you have to get lucky. Still nto 100% sold on him as an NBA PF as opposed to SF, but he's answering all questions in spectacular fashion so far.
2) Roy Hibbert -- projected #5 to #8, 7'2" big, slow, defensive stalwart. Can he rebound? I always, and maybe it s just geography, but have a tendency to think of him in a Brendan Haywood sort of way, although Hibbert is getting Princeton experience in college that might make him a different sort of player.
3) Kosta Koufos -- projected #5 to #8 7'1" Oden's replacement at Ohio State (which is now becoming a modern center U. -- next year they bring in B.J. Muellens who is again the #1 center prospect). He is our style center -- whicih is to say all kinds of inside/outside offensive skill but possible soft.
4) Darrel Arthur -- projected #10 to #12, I am still nonplussed what the big fuss is about this guy -- an NBA plyer to be sure, but the next time he dominates a game will be the first. Still, he's a super athletic 6'9" guy who should fill out, and seems to have the bread and butters for the PF position in a running system,
5) Kevin Love -- projected #15-#18, super skilled frosh was once considered a Top 5 type guy, but may be doing the Josh McRoberts because of questions about his athleticism and whether he'll be able to do much against the bigger/stronger guys in the NBA (especially on defense). Physical and skilled however. He and Brad would be catastrophic together as a frontline.

You need to add Blake Griffin to your draft class list. That guy's gonna be good.
 
#16
I only wish the SUNS brass had a clue as to what we need to get over the playoff hump. Unfortunately they're too chicken $h!t to deal for a Ron Artest-type.
SUNS FAN
 
#17
I was actually going to post something tonight re: Charlie Villanueva. When he was given time a couple years w/ Toronto he did REAL well. Was his rookie year too. Since then he has suffered from lack of play time. Have not seen a ton of him, but have seen enough to notice he is rotting on the Milwaukee bench, and that Milwaukee is one of the poorest coached teams in the NBA.

I wouldn't mind giving the kid a chance here in Sac. He has the size, and although the knocks on him are defense, I am assuming that we would be able to teach him to play team D. Might come cheap too. Lets say if Artest were to be available to the Bucks (although it was reported they weren't interested in Artest) they might bite. We would of course need more than Villanueva. Maybe we could take their first round pick in 09 or something. Just a thought.
 
#19
Draft Picks
1) Michael Beasely -- problem is that when you have a 22pt 13reb college PF they get projected to go #1/#2 and you have to get lucky. Still nto 100% sold on him as an NBA PF as opposed to SF, but he's answering all questions in spectacular fashion so far.
2) Roy Hibbert -- projected #5 to #8, 7'2" big, slow, defensive stalwart. Can he rebound? I always, and maybe it s just geography, but have a tendency to think of him in a Brendan Haywood sort of way, although Hibbert is getting Princeton experience in college that might make him a different sort of player.
3) Kosta Koufos -- projected #5 to #8 7'1" Oden's replacement at Ohio State (which is now becoming a modern center U. -- next year they bring in B.J. Muellens who is again the #1 center prospect). He is our style center -- whicih is to say all kinds of inside/outside offensive skill but possible soft.
4) Darrel Arthur -- projected #10 to #12, I am still nonplussed what the big fuss is about this guy -- an NBA plyer to be sure, but the next time he dominates a game will be the first. Still, he's a super athletic 6'9" guy who should fill out, and seems to have the bread and butters for the PF position in a running system,
5) Kevin Love -- projected #15-#18, super skilled frosh was once considered a Top 5 type guy, but may be doing the Josh McRoberts because of questions about his athleticism and whether he'll be able to do much against the bigger/stronger guys in the NBA (especially on defense). Physical and skilled however. He and Brad would be catastrophic together as a frontline.

Not sure what kind of player we will take. I was hoping to get another late teens pick, and maybe get a guy like Augustine along with Love, or Arthur.
 
#20
From an on-the court standpoint, I would take Randolph over any of the other PF's out there. His style of play is what the Kings need and have needed since that fateful playoff game in Dallas when Webber went down. Sure, he has issues and a lot of them, but if Isiah would take Ron and Kenny then we would have to pull the trigger. Imagine a lineup like this:
PG: Bibby
SG: Martin
C: Miller
SF: Salmons
PF: Randolph

Would be a pretty potent lineup. Now, is Zeke dumb enough to do that move? Maybe.
 
#21
It's my personal preferences, but how about Boris Diaw?

He's young and atheletic. His strengthes are verstailaty, defense, basket sense, passing, shooting, unselfishness, and so on. Though he's not so good in this season, but with playing time and suitable system, IMO he'll flourish again. His contract is relatively expensive, around 9mil from next year, but every good insider is expensive~! (Except David Lee)

Because of the large, too large for Suns but maybe OK for Maloofs and long term contract, Suns may shop him.

I just wonder your opinion. :)
 

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#22
I guess everyone share the same thoughts, we are in dire need of a dominant PF/C since we lost CWebb. And I took a few minutes to take a look around the league to check some guys who could fill our void in a realistic way, totally non-fantasy trade.
Knicks:
Zbo
Eddy Curry
both unhappy being benched a couple of games and they didnt work out together the way Isiah Thomas wondered. Great scorers, Zbo takes advantage IMHO cuz he can rebound way better than Curry. If Zbo could bring to Sac what he did for the Blazers in the 06-07 season it would be sweet.
Cavs:
Drew Gooden
I guess he isnt the answer, hes good, but very limited.
Memphis:
Pau Gasol
Hes the best big available in trade talks IMO and I think Memphis has in Gay a new fan favorite and might want to build the team around him and Mike Conley Jr.
Bucks:
Villanueva
Bogut
CV should be a very good pick up, but not worth any of our main trade pieces, but pairing Andrew Bogut with Brad Miller (and later with Spencer Hawes) looks VERY intriguing to me, I'd love to give it a try. All 3 of them are great passers and Bogut also has some rebounding ability.

so, after all I have my favorites in this order...
1. Pau Gasol
2. Andrew Bogut
3. Zach Randolph
4. Charllie Villanueva
5. Drew Gooden
6. Eddy Curry

Given these players, who should we really go after if we are trading Bibby, Artest and/or Miller?

IMHO, if we go after Gasol we should trade Miller, a protected 1st round pick and some of our young swingman (would try not to include Martin).
As for Bogut, I'd like to keep Miller so we could pair them in the paint, so probably Artest would have to package his bags to Milwaukee.
The only one I like is Gasol, and I don't see why Memphis should want one of our vets if they give up a vet. They want good young talent, and I don't think we're going to be giving up Kevin Martin anytime soon.
 

dude12

Hall of Famer
#24
Okay, here was my list:

Big Names
1) Pau Gasol -- one of the best and has inside/outside game and passing to fit our fascination with such, but softish and expensive. Does not rebound, difference maker?
2) Jermaine O'Neal -- Not 100% clear he is still onthe market with the Pacers somewhat revived, but he probably is. Was overrated at his peak, but still formerly an All Star 20-10 type guy with major defense. Not that old either, but has a lot of mileage and injury problems. Huge salary, rebounding is not what it was, and cannot be paired with Artest (or traded for him -- would have to be us making multiple deals).
3) Zach Randolph -- still a 20-10 guy I'm sure, but how many years of bad teams does he have to be on before you really question if he makes you any better?
4) Eddie Curry -- its hard to tell with Zeke, who just talks like a complete nut anymore, whether he will mve one, the other, or both of Randolph/Curry. Post presence obviously. BUt damn if that isn't the only thing he gives you. And I do mean the only thing. Just a soft, lazy bum of a player, and he;s a post guy the way Reef is a post guy nowadays -- sure he scores, but you have to stop your offense to get him his points, and he makes nobody any better and doesn't do anything else.
5) Amare? Marion? -- there have been rumors about these two obviously, although I remain sceptical they will be moved midseason in a year when the Suns again are atop the West seemingly with a shot to get to the Finals. Seems more like a give them one last shot type situation. Anyway, Amare is young + the guy, but he's also maybe selfish, arrogant, and a poor rebounder/defender. Still, such a talent you take ti and worry about the rst later. Marion is not so young, and is still a SF in a normal system, but does it all.
6) Brand? -- I might just be making this one up. But can they/will they actually stick with what they have down there after a return to their failing ways? Even if he did become availabel, not as young as he once was, undersized, comng off major injury...scary stuff.

Recent Lottery picks
1) Tyrus Thomas/Joakim Noah -- one, the other, or both seem out of favor in Chicago, and the Bulls have largely given up playing them in a sudden burst of "must win nowitis". Remain quite intriguing as young bigs with potential upside that we might be able to get as sort of a delayed lottery pick, but not sure what we have that Chicago needs.
2) Charlie Villanueva -- #7 pick from '05 rumored to be on the block with Yi performing adequately. Soft as butter, but a talented scorer.
3) Patrick O'Bryant -- #9 pick '06 just has never been abel to make it in Golden State. Question is whether that is his fault of the wacky Nellieball system + Nellie's lack fo bigmen expertise. Seems like he should be available, but who knows.
4) Fran Vasquez -- #11 '05, otherwise known as Flakeboy. Hasve no idea if he can play or not. No idea if he's grown up or he's still a scared little child. do known that Orlando should be looking to bolster themselves for a playoff run, and the rights to Vasquez could/should be part of that if there's any chance mommy will let him out of his room to come pay across the pond.
5) Darko Milicic -- #2 '03. Still doing his backyup center bit, now in Memphis, and logically if Pau is available, then Darko would be too. Not a sure thing of course. Thing is I'm getting reasonably convinced this is it for Darko -- backup center. Puts up good numbers, yet when you watch him it is frequently uninspiring.

Just guys
1) Drew Gooden -- I think this one is likely just in the context of Mike Bibby. I'm still not terribly interested/inspired by him otherwise.
2) Udonis Haslem -- same as Gooden. The Miami Herald this mornig was reporting that we were demanding Haslem back as part of the price for Bibby. Which if that's true, along with the similar demand for Gooden just tell me that Geoff is completely unambitious at this point.
3) Kurt Thomas -- this is just an ending contract. Rumored to be available as the Sonics look to utterly clean hosue wiht hiim -- get draft picks to take him, then turn around and trade him for yet more assets. Thing is, hard to imagine them wanting to take long term veteran contracts in return, so..?
4) Dan Gadzuric -- likely can still give you Justin Williams type production, but at a nasty contract price. Rumors say Milwalukeee is now iwlling to move him, but queston is if they haven;t competely destroyed his value at this point.
5) Kenyon Martin/Nene -- big contracts and simply cannot stay on the floor. Maybe togetehr you have one healthy PF at the low cost of $20+ million combined. No team will take Kenyon, and as Nene suffers through injury number 1746 have to wonder how long until he reacehs the same status, fitfully impressive play or no.
14) Zaza Pachulia -- just a guess. Started the last two years, now deeply buried behind Horford. Seems like a recipe for change. Still only 23/24, although not sure he has shown much potential to be more than starter on a bad team stuff.
15) Etan Thomas -- whenever he gets back. but likely unmoveable now with that contract and the health question.
Solid takes on these guys, here's my 2 cents in abbreviated form:
Gasol - great scorer, poor defense, not a difference maker
J O'Neal - like him more a few years ago...Indy trying to trade him is telling
Randolph - great talent, 2 cent head, no thanks
Curry - great scorer, can't rebound or d, out of shape, no thanks
Amare - we wish
Marion - we wish
Brand - love the guy, type of guy we want, injury aside, how to get him

Thomas or Noah - love the Thomas game, Noah seems like a loose cannon
Charlie V - could get him cheaper I think, intriguing talent
O'Bryant - worth a look but wouldn't give up alot at this point
Vazquez - ugh
Milicic - character issues? has enough talent, just not 1st pick talent

Gooden through Etan - we just don't need these guys right now

Here's a guy I'd like to see us consider: Hilton Armstrong from NOK
He looks to be a shotblocker, real young but getting experience right now. Could blossom with more time and experience. Also, could be more affordable than others.
 

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#25
A couple of guys I'd look at in the draft, if they declare, are DeVon Hardin of Cal, and Brook Lopez of Stanford. I think that Brook is going to be a very good player in the NBA. He plays center at Stanford, but I could see him at PF. I also like Hilton Armstrong. I'd like to see what he could do with some minutes.
 
#26
From an on-the court standpoint, I would take Randolph over any of the other PF's out there. His style of play is what the Kings need and have needed since that fateful playoff game in Dallas when Webber went down. Sure, he has issues and a lot of them, but if Isiah would take Ron and Kenny then we would have to pull the trigger. Imagine a lineup like this:
PG: Bibby
SG: Martin
C: Miller
SF: Salmons
PF: Randolph

Would be a pretty potent lineup. Now, is Zeke dumb enough to do that move? Maybe.
I imagine this line up and I don't feel anything special. Artest+Thomas for Randolph would be a very bad deal for the Kings. The only trade I'd consider for Randolph is Thomas+SAR for him, and still I wouldn't be sure.

Fran Vazquez (not Vasquez) is not doing anything special in the ACB (5.2 pts in 14 minutes). His value has fallen a lot. He has some fundamentals and is 24 years old, but I've strong doubts about him. In Spain there are rumors he won't play in the NBA.

A player to add in the 'Bigs available via draft' is DeAndre Jordan.
 
#27
A couple of guys I'd look at in the draft, if they declare, are DeVon Hardin of Cal, and Brook Lopez of Stanford. I think that Brook is going to be a very good player in the NBA. He plays center at Stanford, but I could see him at PF. I also like Hilton Armstrong. I'd like to see what he could do with some minutes.
Brook's all but declared, as far as I can tell. And Hardin is a senior, so he'll be out too.

Brook, I think, has the makings of an NBA 4 more than a 5. He's 7-foot but mobile, and while he has some nice post moves, he's not as much of a banger as, say, Love. He is athletic, however, and can block shots. He also does have a nice jumper and some sweet hook shots. He and Hawes would make an interesting tandem (excuse my Pac-10 bias).

Hardin isn't as talented, but has a better rep on the defensive end. He'd be a reach at our likely 7-10 pick, but if we got another first rounder (in a Bibby deal perhaps) in the 15-20 range he'd be a solid add.
 
#28
It's my personal preferences, but how about Boris Diaw?

He's young and atheletic. His strengthes are verstailaty, defense, basket sense, passing, shooting, unselfishness, and so on. Though he's not so good in this season, but with playing time and suitable system, IMO he'll flourish again. His contract is relatively expensive, around 9mil from next year, but every good insider is expensive~! (Except David Lee)

Because of the large, too large for Suns but maybe OK for Maloofs and long term contract, Suns may shop him.

I just wonder your opinion. :)
I'd take on Diaw's contract if we could get the ATL pick as well.
 
#29
I also like Hilton Armstrong.

How about Salmons to NOK for Armstrong, Pargo and Robinson. Pargo and Robinson are exprings that can be immediately waived.

Salmons would give the Hornets a solid upgrade over Peterson. Their starting 5 would be Paul/Salmons/Peja/West/Chandler. I would ask for Armstrong-Robinson-Wright, but I don't think they would go for it.
 
#30
I'm surprised no one mentioned Udonis Haslem in any of these posts. The guys a legitimate rebounder, athletic, and has some offensive weapons including a sweet mid-range jumper. Would play better in our offense. Miami wants Bibby and we can get Williams expiring contract and maybe even offload K9.