Mitchell Report.. F.P. Santangelo ??

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Here are the names listed in the report:

Some may have been left out; in fact, I'm sure some where. David Justice is not on that list, but was named in the report. The bolded names are the ones that stood out the most to me.

This is a sad, sad day for baseball fans. But it was necessary to continue to get rid of illegal performance-enhancing substances in professional sports. We need to have this done in football next. This sucks.
If this is indeed an incorrect list, please edit it. Where did you find it?
 

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Okay, well, add Paul LoDuca and Brendan Donnelly to my list of shocking players, and remove Pujols.

I guess that's a good thing. Doesn't mean Pujols is clean, though. Just means Mitchell didn't name him.
Go ahead and edit your list and link to your source. You may want to note the changes you make with an * or something. Better yet, if it is incorrect, you may just want to remove it.

And you are absolutely correct on this.
 

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#34
F.P. will be on 1140 in 20 minutes with Mike Lamb. Stay Tuned!!!!!
Why is he in the book?

Per FP - "Because I took performance enhancing drugs when I played". He will be on the show in the morning and will discuss it in more detail. Talking about injury to his leg, rehab not going well, got released, and panicked about not being able to play again.
 

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Took a two week cycle of growth hormones in 1999 and it worked. Did it again in around 2000 with an injured thumb (ligament?). Not proud of it at all. Basically did it to "stay in the game", since otherwise he apparently was at the end of his season.

He apologizes to his family.
 
#36
Wow... Already starting in with the excuses..

Listening live on the internet on khtk.com

He is talking about various injuries and how he used the HGH to help get back into the game... Than another injury, and again using.

Also how he is against performance enhancing drugs, and how embarrased he is...

But the theme of the interview is about his injuries and how he was afraid of never playing again because of his injuries and how the performance enhancing drugs helped him repair his body.
 

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#37
He says the account in the book on him is inaccurate.

He hopes that by coming clean others may not have to go through this.

Says the testosterone comment is completely untrue.

Not sure if he'd make the same decisions again. He's ashamed of what he did and has a certain sense of relief "owning this". He said the hardest point was telling his 10-12 year old kids about this a month ago.
 
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Go ahead and edit your list and link to your source. You may want to note the changes you make with an * or something. Better yet, if it is incorrect, you may just want to remove it.

And you are absolutely correct on this.
Done.

Can you edit the posts that quoted mine?
 

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#39
It changed his personality and he's lost friends because of this. He said 4 weeks of compromise in his career was it. Telling kids this is bad stuff, not to do it. Lied about it on the show because there are legal ramifications in addition to the other issues. He says the 82 names in the book is "just the tip of the iceberg".

He did not discuss it with the author for various reasons - legal and the fact that "nothing positive would come of it".
 

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#41
He "brought it on himself" - thanked the rest of the folks at 1140 and CBS for their support, apologized again. He will be discussing it in a lot more detail in the morning.
 
#42
Injuries and HGH

I was talking with some people in the medical field about HGH and recovering from injury, and they said it does not work that way, it builds new muscle it does not repair torn or damaged msucles or ligaments, if anything it masks the problems and causes more down the road. So for the most part I think this arguement is BS, and a coverup for wanting to add muscle.
 
#43
I don't mean to be judgemental, because we all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory, but this guy was hired as a talk show host based on his take on the whole steroids issue. And for the whole amount of time he has been on the radio, he has given the overwhelming impression to the public that he did not take performance enhancing drugs.

Am I missing something? If I am his partners, he is no longer a Rise Guy:mad:.
 
#44
I don't mean to be judgemental, because we all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory, but this guy was hired as a talk show host based on his take on the whole steroids issue. And for the whole amount of time he has been on the radio, he has given the overwhelming impression to the public that he did not take performance enhancing drugs.

Am I missing something? If I am his partners, he is no longer a Rise Guy:mad:.
I agree 100%, they need to bring back that guy they had like 5 years ago they were buddies with, I cannot remember his name now, he was before that idiot the rat. On a different note, does anybody know why he was fired?
 
#45
It's a lot worse because he basically was a HUGE opponent of performance enhancing drugs.. He wasn't just quiet about it whn it was brought up he would speak and speak against it.. Than speak some more!!

He's such a hypacrite.
 
#46
I was talking with some people in the medical field about HGH and recovering from injury, and they said it does not work that way, it builds new muscle it does not repair torn or damaged msucles or ligaments, if anything it masks the problems and causes more down the road. So for the most part I think this arguement is BS, and a coverup for wanting to add muscle.
From what I understand, and I may be wrong, if a muscle or ligament is healing properly to begin with, HGH can help it to heal faster and stronger than it would on it's own. That's what your body uses natural HGH for when you work out. You break your muscles down with exercise, and, particularly in men, the proteins together with the hormones rebuild the muscle and prepare it for a bigger load next time.

Not that this isn't just an excuse for using HGH to build more muscle, but I do believe that it can help you to heal faster if used properly. I would use it if it were legal. And the big advantage to it is that it doesn't have to be used in such strict cycles the way that anabolic steroids do.

Again, I am not a biologist or a chemist, and I may be way off base here.
 
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From what I understand, and I may be wrong, if a muscle or ligament is healing properly to begin with, HGH can help it to heal faster and stronger than it would on it's own. That's what your body uses natural HGH for when you work out. You break your muscles down with exercise, and, particularly in men, the proteins together with the hormones rebuild the muscle and prepare it for a bigger load next time.

Not that this isn't just an excuse for using HGH to build more muscle, but I do believe that it can help you to heal faster if used properly. I would use it if it were legal. And the big advantage to it is that it doesn't have to be used in such strict cycles the way that anabolic steroids do.

Again, I am not a biologist or a chemist, and I may be way off base here.
Neither am I, just repeating what a Dr. told me, no idea if it 100% accurate
 
#49
I don't mean to be judgemental, because we all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory, but this guy was hired as a talk show host based on his take on the whole steroids issue. And for the whole amount of time he has been on the radio, he has given the overwhelming impression to the public that he did not take performance enhancing drugs.

Am I missing something? If I am his partners, he is no longer a Rise Guy:mad:.

Not only that he didn't do it but that he despised anyone that did it. What a hypocrite. So long buddy.
 
#51
You know its funny people have been ragging on Bonds for long time, but Roger Clemens seems to barely get any mention, talk about double standards.:mad:
There's a big difference between the two.

If Clemens had evidence made public linking him to steroids (that wasn't redacted), then things would have been different.

If Clemens was chasing the home run record then things would have been different.

If the first real accusations backed up by evidence were made against Clemens at a time when there weren't a lot of other players being accused, then things would have been different.


I don't know whether Clemens would have been given the exact same treatment, but he might have. The double-standard you speak of might exist, but you really can't tell here because the situations are so different.
 

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#52
I thought I heard that both Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa were on the list but I didn't see their names. Am I going deaf and/or blind?

Shame on all the players on that list but a special shame to Santangelo.

It's going to be interesting now to see what the league does.
 
#54
I agree 100%, they need to bring back that guy they had like 5 years ago they were buddies with, I cannot remember his name now, he was before that idiot the rat. On a different note, does anybody know why he was fired?
Justin Case!!! the originator of Jollywood Squares, well as far as I can remember. ya I miss that Rise Guys show. was much less upset and argumentative than it is today.

oh well.
 
#55
Used to be on 98 rock though.. Much better show on that station than Rob Arnie and Dawn if they are still on that station. I still like the rise guys though when I get to listen.

I remember in one of the summer concerts the rise guys played there all their funny music. Was great.
 

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Is anybody really surprised by Clemens? I mean he always had the perfect nasty/mean buffed up personality, he had unnatural staying power long past the age when he should have slowed down. Didn't have to be, but I'm surprised that even raises an eyebrow. Been pointed out that pitchers have less to gain through steroird use than home run hitters, but it can certianly help them recover from injuries faster and gain unnatural longetivity.
 
#57
Is anybody really surprised by Clemens? I mean he always had the perfect nasty/mean buffed up personality, he had unnatural staying power long past the age when he should have slowed down. Didn't have to be, but I'm surprised that even raises an eyebrow. Been pointed out that pitchers have less to gain through steroird use than home run hitters, but it can certianly help them recover from injuries faster and gain unnatural longetivity.
Someone asked that earlier. I'm not surprised at all. I have always been a Clemens fan, too, as long as I've been a baseball fan. But I'm not surprised that he was doing steroids.

Then again, after looking through that list and seeing "stand-up guys" like Pudge and LoDuca and Brendan Donnelly on that list, I don't think any name I ever hear will surprise me. I'm glad none of the core Angels are named in the report (even though Glaus was the World Series MVP; but I think he was linked to steroids only after he left the Angels... not sure, though). But I'll never again be surprised to see anyone linked to illegal performance enhancing substances.
 

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I was gone all day and didn't hear much news. I'll ask again, though. This morning I heard both McGwire and Sosa's names. Were they mistakes or what?
 
#59
It's a lot worse because he [Santangelo] basically was a HUGE opponent of performance enhancing drugs.. He wasn't just quiet about it when it was brought up he would speak and speak against it.. Than speak some more!!

He's such a hypacrite.
I don't think he's automatcially a hypocrite for preaching against it now. Plenty of people speak out against something they once did themselves. (Alcohol, drugs, stealing, cheating, etc.) The "turn on, tune in, drop out" generation became the "just say no to drugs parents.";)

There aren't too many parents out there who haven't told their children it's wrong to do [whatever], when they did it themselves when younger. Are they hypocrites, too?

What really bothers me is that he didn't just come clean a long time ago. He only speaks after he's publicly outed. I know he said "legal ramifications," but to me that is just cowardly.