BEE: Kings Call For Back Up (Mike Wilks)
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Good analogy in a sick kind of way, but I do agree, were not gaining anything from this so don't do it, don't even waste your time Petrie. Its been said a million times on here but ill say it again, YOUNG PLAYERS with potential not a 28 year old in his prime that has no potential.
I'm very confused in what direction this damn Kings team wants to go in, we don't need more roster spots taken up by nobodys. Picking up Wilks will greatly hurt Shakurs chances to land a spot on this team.
I'm very confused in what direction this damn Kings team wants to go in, we don't need more roster spots taken up by nobodys. Picking up Wilks will greatly hurt Shakurs chances to land a spot on this team.
If hes going to bring in new faces why not bring in some faces that have potential, I'm sure he could do better then Mike Wilks if hes looking for a back-up PG. Either way the kids are going to get minutes and we don't need other useless players around trying to take time from Douby, Shakur, we have the vets on this team, we need young guns. Interim moves can benefit us now and later so why make an Interim move that wont benefit either.
No its saying that if Petrie does Pick up Wilks thats one less roster spot for a guard to make our team. I never said Shakur was elite, he can play the point very effectively from what I have seen in summer league and Arizona.
Lets be honest Shakur has potential Wilks dosen't, people have seen what Wilks can do in the league and hes pretty maxed out as far as his skill goes.
Shakur on the other hand has everything to prove in this league, hes young, talented and loaded with potential. It's not like these players will be getting tons of minutes with us anyways so why not try and groom some kids along this bumpy rebuild ride.
I don't know that I agree with this sentiment...when you're trying to rebuild there's either moving forward or not...In a rebuild you need to try to develop younger players, look to the future, etc, etc... Our one singing this summer was a 32 year old for 3 years. Do we really think we will win a championship in those three years? If we're rebuilding then you give minutes to young guys like Justin Williams, Spencer Hawes and perhaps someone from the summer league...So what if they arent as good as Mikki immediately, at least they're out there learning and we can see what we have.
Next you drop Ronnie Price, a guy who we all can agree had tremendous athletic ability and some solid potential to pickup a 28 year old pg to packup Bibby...if you do this, you once again look past guys on your summer league team who perhaps have more long term potential and athletic ability in order to get a guy who might have a little more polish and basketball IQ but only the potential to be a subpar backup pg in the league....
This isn't how you rebuild, this is how you desperately hold onto the last scraps of a dying nucleus...On the surface these moves were clearly made to make a run at the 8th seed in the playoffs...maybe Petrie has been told by the Maloofs to hold onto the playoffs at all costs, I don't know. Perhaps there is a misperception that the fans won't come to watch a young, bad, team that is developing....I for one would be more excited for that version than the current version we've assembled.
Next you drop Ronnie Price, a guy who we all can agree had tremendous athletic ability and some solid potential to pickup a 28 year old pg to packup Bibby...if you do this, you once again look past guys on your summer league team who perhaps have more long term potential and athletic ability in order to get a guy who might have a little more polish and basketball IQ but only the potential to be a subpar backup pg in the league....
This isn't how you rebuild, this is how you desperately hold onto the last scraps of a dying nucleus...On the surface these moves were clearly made to make a run at the 8th seed in the playoffs...maybe Petrie has been told by the Maloofs to hold onto the playoffs at all costs, I don't know. Perhaps there is a misperception that the fans won't come to watch a young, bad, team that is developing....I for one would be more excited for that version than the current version we've assembled.
We have NO IDEA yet how the minutes are going to be allocated. I personally believe people are getting way too hung up on Mikki coming to the Kings. He can be a useful mentor in a lot of ways to our other new 7 footer.
There is NO concrete pattern for a rebuild. Each instance is different and I think people are getting ahead of themselves and the Kings in their rush to decide the impact of every move. It's July.
Um, I think I recall hearing somewhere that Price requested that we retract the qualifying offer. And again, the idea we're going to find a lot of jewels in the summer league players is just without basis in fact. Most of those guys are playing summer league in a desperate attempt to get a team (ANY team) to give them one last chance to get into the NBA. They're not the cream of the crop. They're the bottom of the barrel. We may find someone of use - like Justin (who, remember, PETRIE FOUND) - but I'm not relying on any of them to make a substantial long-term effect in the league or on the Kings.
Sorry, but I simply do not agree with this assessment.
You think it's a failure of rebuilding. I see it as interim steps on the path to an eventual rebuild that won't be complete for at least a couple of years. A LOT can happen in a couple of years.
And I think we ARE going to see an exciting team this year, regardless of wins. We'll have a mix of youth and veterans that, with the proper guidance, could easily be a lot more fun to watch that what we've suffered through - for the most part - for the past couple of years.
And, as I've said before, I think the kids can benefit from the experience Mikki is bringing to the team.
So, bottom line? You can be disappointed and I'll be hopeful and look forward to attending even more games in Arco this coming season than I did last year.
And one more random thought?
It seems no matter what Petrie does - OR DOESN'T DO - people are going to second-guess and criticize. Had he not made any acquisitions by now I'm pretty sure we'd be seeing threads condemning him for simply sitting still and not doing anything.
There is NO concrete pattern for a rebuild. Each instance is different and I think people are getting ahead of themselves and the Kings in their rush to decide the impact of every move. It's July.
Um, I think I recall hearing somewhere that Price requested that we retract the qualifying offer. And again, the idea we're going to find a lot of jewels in the summer league players is just without basis in fact. Most of those guys are playing summer league in a desperate attempt to get a team (ANY team) to give them one last chance to get into the NBA. They're not the cream of the crop. They're the bottom of the barrel. We may find someone of use - like Justin (who, remember, PETRIE FOUND) - but I'm not relying on any of them to make a substantial long-term effect in the league or on the Kings.
Sorry, but I simply do not agree with this assessment.
You think it's a failure of rebuilding. I see it as interim steps on the path to an eventual rebuild that won't be complete for at least a couple of years. A LOT can happen in a couple of years.
And I think we ARE going to see an exciting team this year, regardless of wins. We'll have a mix of youth and veterans that, with the proper guidance, could easily be a lot more fun to watch that what we've suffered through - for the most part - for the past couple of years.
And, as I've said before, I think the kids can benefit from the experience Mikki is bringing to the team.
So, bottom line? You can be disappointed and I'll be hopeful and look forward to attending even more games in Arco this coming season than I did last year.
And one more random thought?
It seems no matter what Petrie does - OR DOESN'T DO - people are going to second-guess and criticize. Had he not made any acquisitions by now I'm pretty sure we'd be seeing threads condemning him for simply sitting still and not doing anything.
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1. Price wanted more than a one year deal and the kings only wanted to give him one year and nothing more so they parted way mutually on good terms.
2. Mike Wilks will only be a one year deal and I bet it is not fully guarenteed just like Shakur's contract is, so whoever performs better in training camp will get the spot.
2. Mike Wilks will only be a one year deal and I bet it is not fully guarenteed just like Shakur's contract is, so whoever performs better in training camp will get the spot.
That remains untenable -- doing NOTHING at all would be just as likely as what has been done to land us back in ping ball land, but with more capspace and kids getting minutes to develop.
Failure #1: Not doing MORE to get us back into ping pong ball land, better ping pong ball land, and acquire young players/picks/clear cap room
Failure #2: at least if you are a failure at #1, the least you can do is not make the situation WORSE by wasting capspace and stealing minutes form the kids you accidentally do have on the roster.
At no point in there is there a "success". Hell, its not even a "success" at being dumb and trying to win now. Its nothing at all.
Exactly how do you purport to know about the length of Price's deal deamnds?
Grant said today that Price was looking for more $$$ and thought he could get it. Nothing about the length of a contract. Is he right? Who knows, but I have yet to hear anything along the lines of your supposition.
Glad to know you and Petrie are that close that you know what contract Wilks might see as well.
Grant said today that Price was looking for more $$$ and thought he could get it. Nothing about the length of a contract. Is he right? Who knows, but I have yet to hear anything along the lines of your supposition.
Glad to know you and Petrie are that close that you know what contract Wilks might see as well.
Exactly how do you purport to know about the length of Price's deal deamnds?
Grant said today that Price was looking for more $$$ and thought he could get it. Nothing about the length of a contract. Is he right? Who knows, but I have yet to hear anything along the lines of your supposition.
Glad to know you and Petrie are that close that you know what contract Wilks might see as well.
Grant said today that Price was looking for more $$$ and thought he could get it. Nothing about the length of a contract. Is he right? Who knows, but I have yet to hear anything along the lines of your supposition.
Glad to know you and Petrie are that close that you know what contract Wilks might see as well.
Time-out.
If any of you have some insight into Mike Wilks as a player (as opposed to a pawn in a Petrie chess game), I'd like to hear about it. The idea that he won a championship with the Spurs doesn't mean anything, because - I think - he got left off the playoff roster. As far as I can tell, he's had one stellar game in his NBA career - in which he got the minutes to prove something. He's had two seasons in which he shot 47%, but his career shooting percentage is under 40%. His assist-turnover ratio is not terrible, but he's probably had more garbage minutes than anything else. I really don't think his stats tell us much. So... what kind of a game does he bring?
If any of you have some insight into Mike Wilks as a player (as opposed to a pawn in a Petrie chess game), I'd like to hear about it. The idea that he won a championship with the Spurs doesn't mean anything, because - I think - he got left off the playoff roster. As far as I can tell, he's had one stellar game in his NBA career - in which he got the minutes to prove something. He's had two seasons in which he shot 47%, but his career shooting percentage is under 40%. His assist-turnover ratio is not terrible, but he's probably had more garbage minutes than anything else. I really don't think his stats tell us much. So... what kind of a game does he bring?
Just looking at the stats of the last 6 games of the year, Wilks got an opportunity to play extended minutes. In a 3 game stretch, he played very well. Versus the Lakers he had 22 points, 8 assists and 5 turnovers, versus Portland he had 17 pts, 11 assists and 2 turnovers and versus Phoenix, he had 20 points, 6 assists and 1 TO. Just going off the 6 game stint, it looks to me that he doesn't get any steals but gets to the free-throw line. Doesn't shoot the 3 very much.
Its all end of the year stuff but its still the NBA and it appears that he would be at least adequate as a backup(Jason Hart). I stand by my assertion that there are many guys like that to play and would satisfy a need for 1-2 years. Ronnie Price probably falls into that category but it appears he wanted more years than Petrie was to offer. Reading between the lines, Wilks gets a 1 year deal if he sticks.
Its all end of the year stuff but its still the NBA and it appears that he would be at least adequate as a backup(Jason Hart). I stand by my assertion that there are many guys like that to play and would satisfy a need for 1-2 years. Ronnie Price probably falls into that category but it appears he wanted more years than Petrie was to offer. Reading between the lines, Wilks gets a 1 year deal if he sticks.
I have drawn the conclusion that the Maloofs and Petrie are making the Kings "Americ's Team" Bringing in Mikie Moore and now looking at Wilks, combined with our other collection of NBA misfits DOES make sense IF they replace the big gold 6 out in front of Arco with a scale model of the Stature of Liberty. The explanation can be found in her inscription:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
The only question is weather the shortend nick name for the team sould be "Wretched Refuse" or Homeless Tempest-Tossed"?
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
The only question is weather the shortend nick name for the team sould be "Wretched Refuse" or Homeless Tempest-Tossed"?
I love it!!! The band of misfits just like in 2002 eh? Hey, it is rebuilding in one form or another. The Maloofs don't want to call it that for publicity and marketing sake. That's understandable. Petri would never call it that, just not his style. Lifting the lamp beside the golden (Arco) door is somewhat.
But face facts, Kings have been going down hill since that wretched episode where Adelman let CWebb back to start when he was only re-habing and the Kings were doing great without him. That killed that season and resulted in the trade that got us KT-Skinner and somebody that I long forgot.
Turn arounds are not easy. Everyone and I mean everyone, has gone thru them. Sometimes it takes 2-3 years, sometimes 6-7 years. All depends on the coach-player situation and the players meshing with each other to keep it down to, for the Kings, 4-5 years. They've had 3 bads, 05-06-07 with 2 coaches and are about to have their 3rd coach in 3 years with a questionable player pool. I'll give Theus 25-30 games to see if it is apparent he is making progress then a second look as they take on the last 20 games of the year.
But we need to pare down the "huddled masses" to a group that works. If Mike Wilks has a break out year at the point, then so be it. If there is a productive rotation of 9 or 10 in the first 20+ games, great. I don't care who it is, only how well they play together and for the new Coach.
But face facts, Kings have been going down hill since that wretched episode where Adelman let CWebb back to start when he was only re-habing and the Kings were doing great without him. That killed that season and resulted in the trade that got us KT-Skinner and somebody that I long forgot.
Turn arounds are not easy. Everyone and I mean everyone, has gone thru them. Sometimes it takes 2-3 years, sometimes 6-7 years. All depends on the coach-player situation and the players meshing with each other to keep it down to, for the Kings, 4-5 years. They've had 3 bads, 05-06-07 with 2 coaches and are about to have their 3rd coach in 3 years with a questionable player pool. I'll give Theus 25-30 games to see if it is apparent he is making progress then a second look as they take on the last 20 games of the year.
But we need to pare down the "huddled masses" to a group that works. If Mike Wilks has a break out year at the point, then so be it. If there is a productive rotation of 9 or 10 in the first 20+ games, great. I don't care who it is, only how well they play together and for the new Coach.
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