Artest Told By Petrie He Will Not Be Traded, Also

jon e

jon e

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#32
Sacramento Trade Breakdown

Outgoing
-Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona
17.1 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.7 apg in 34.0 minutes
-Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
9.0 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.6 apg in 28.3 minutes
-Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
20.2 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.2 apg in 35.2 minutes
-Quincy Douby
6-3 PG from Rutgers
2.8 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.6 minutes

Incoming
-Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
22.4 ppg, 12.8 rpg, 4.1 apg in 39.5 minutes
-Mark Madsen
6-9 PF from Stanford
1.1 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 8.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: -25.6 ppg, -0.4 rpg, and -6.6 apg.


Minnesota Trade Breakdown

Outgoing
-Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
22.4 ppg, 12.8 rpg, 4.1 apg in 39.5 minutes
-Mark Madsen
6-9 PF from Stanford
1.1 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 8.4 minutes

Incoming
-Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona
17.1 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.7 apg in 34.0 minutes
-Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
9.0 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.6 apg in 28.3 minutes
-Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
20.2 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.2 apg in 35.2 minutes
-Quincy Douby
6-3 PG from Rutgers
2.8 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +25.6 ppg, +0.4 rpg, and +6.6 apg.

Successful Scenario
Due to Sacramento and Minnesota being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Minnesota had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
 
Big Cuz 15

Big Cuz 15

All-Star
#33
#33
jon e said:
Sacramento Trade Breakdown

Outgoing
-Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona
17.1 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.7 apg in 34.0 minutes
-Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
9.0 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.6 apg in 28.3 minutes
-Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
20.2 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.2 apg in 35.2 minutes
-Quincy Douby
6-3 PG from Rutgers
2.8 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.6 minutes

Incoming
-Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
22.4 ppg, 12.8 rpg, 4.1 apg in 39.5 minutes
-Mark Madsen
6-9 PF from Stanford
1.1 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 8.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: -25.6 ppg, -0.4 rpg, and -6.6 apg.


Minnesota Trade Breakdown

Outgoing
-Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
22.4 ppg, 12.8 rpg, 4.1 apg in 39.5 minutes
-Mark Madsen
6-9 PF from Stanford
1.1 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 8.4 minutes

Incoming
-Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona
17.1 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.7 apg in 34.0 minutes
-Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
9.0 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.6 apg in 28.3 minutes
-Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
20.2 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.2 apg in 35.2 minutes
-Quincy Douby
6-3 PG from Rutgers
2.8 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +25.6 ppg, +0.4 rpg, and +6.6 apg.

Successful Scenario
Due to Sacramento and Minnesota being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Minnesota had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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i hope this trade gets over the top and win a championship because i don't understand why we mortgage the kings future with a trade like this.
 
T

The Truth Hurts

G-League
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guys guys, let's not forget he's arguably the best all-round defender in the NBA, and that defensive leadership could do wonders for our team heading forward, especially if we can trade a defensive liability in Bibby. Artest is just hitting his prime, and I'm really a firm believer in second chances, also cause the guy NEVER took a play off, I can't not like the guy as a player, just can't. Just watch, next year he's going to be an all-star, 1st defensive team, and hopefully a stable building block moving forward for this franchise.
 
jon e

jon e

Bench
#35
#35
KMart23 said:
i hope this trade gets over the top and win a championship because i don't understand why we mortgage the kings future with a trade like this.
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maybe this is better:

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona
17.1 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.7 apg in 34.0 minutes

Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
9.0 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.6 apg in 28.3 minutes

Incoming

Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
22.4 ppg, 12.8 rpg, 4.1 apg in 39.5 minutesChange in team outlook: -3.7 ppg, +3.2 rpg, and -4.2 apg.

Minnesota Trade Breakdown

Outgoing
-Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
22.4 ppg, 12.8 rpg, 4.1 apg in 39.5 minutes

Incoming
-Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona
17.1 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.7 apg in 34.0 minutes

-Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
9.0 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.6 apg in 28.3 minutesChange in team outlook: +3.7 ppg, -3.2 rpg, and +4.2 apg.

Successful ScenarioDue to Sacramento and Minnesota being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Minnesota had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
 
C

cfechter

Bench
#37
#37
jon e said:
maybe this is better:

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona
17.1 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.7 apg in 34.0 minutes

Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
9.0 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.6 apg in 28.3 minutes

Incoming

Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
22.4 ppg, 12.8 rpg, 4.1 apg in 39.5 minutesChange in team outlook: -3.7 ppg, +3.2 rpg, and -4.2 apg.

Minnesota Trade Breakdown

Outgoing
-Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
22.4 ppg, 12.8 rpg, 4.1 apg in 39.5 minutes

Incoming
-Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona
17.1 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.7 apg in 34.0 minutes

-Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
9.0 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.6 apg in 28.3 minutesChange in team outlook: +3.7 ppg, -3.2 rpg, and +4.2 apg.

Successful ScenarioDue to Sacramento and Minnesota being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Minnesota had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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I try not to be rude on the boards here because I enjoy them, but are you out of your mind?
 
jon e

jon e

Bench
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cfechter said:
I try not to be rude on the boards here because I enjoy them, but are you out of your mind?
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and the lakers could offer them more? the first scenario with kmart and douby was more realistic, but everyone is so gushy for kevin i had to put that up there to please them
 
gman23

gman23

Starter
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#40
I wouldn't trade Kevin Martin...

If Ron wants to stay and there is no good trades out there, then keep him. Just hopes Reggie keeps him in check.

As for as newspaper gossip, it is what it is. Seeing is believing (hell sometimes that missleading).

So let's just sit back and watch.
 
kupman

kupman

Starter
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#42
nbrans said:
I agree completely.

And since when does anyone believe anything Geoff says to the media?
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......and since when did anyone believe anything that Artest says to the media?

.......and for that matter, when was the last time anyone believed anything reported by the NY newspapers?
 
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BMiller52

All-Star
#44
#44
nbrans said:
I agree completely.

And since when does anyone believe anything Geoff says to the media?
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Exactly lol.

But I wonder if Ron actually doesn't want to go to NY now. I mean if I were him I'd be pretty insulted by Zeke's refusal to trade David Lee for him too. I wonder if he wouldn't rather go to Miami, who has the trade assets I like better anyway.
 
VF21

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#46
#46
"Ron is going to be a King," Petrie said Monday, denying he has had any conversations with the Knicks' front office. "People are having conversations with themselves."
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Petrie has made comments like this before. And yes, Artest will be a King until the day he isn't a King. The only thing Petrie really said is that he hasn't been in communication with the Knicks front office.

Geoff Petrie has never revealed his hand ahead of time and he's certainly not going to tell the NY Post, "Yes, we're trying to find a way to dump Artest but so far nothing is working."

This whole thing has pretty much been the creation of Marc Berman anyway. I wonder if his contract with the Post is up for renewal or something and he was just trying to boost his readership figures.
 
HndsmCelt

HndsmCelt

Hall of Famer
#47
#47
tjobrien said:
Um, KID, there is actually a direct quote from Petrie himself, not to mention the other articles in other parts of the forum with even more direct quotes from Petrie. Try and read the article in full before spouting off.
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And Petie has never been misquoted or hevans forbid told players/press one thing then done another... I read the story and the OTHER stories as well. The gist of this SI PIECE is all focused on Ron and mostly on what he says. True there is a sprinkling of quotes from other people including the one from Petrie but I have no real confidence that they are accurate given the source and the general focus on the piece (arguing that Artest will not be traded)

Now there is a whole DIFFERENT discussion about weather Artest CAN be traded for anything like comprable value... but that is best left for another thread. In short I just cant buy this one. And yes that is PRIMARLY beceause the main source of the story is Ron.
 
DocHolliday

DocHolliday

Starter
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#48
HndsmCelt said:
Um kids this is a story in which ARTEST says Petrie told him he would not be traded. What in the long history of coments to the press by Ron makes you think this is worth the paper it is written on. Any comentary on this story is jsut yelling into the wind.
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Ron is going to be a King," Petrie said Monday, denying he has had any conversations with the Knicks' front office. "People are having conversations with themselves."
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Ron said he was told by Geoff, and Geoff is quoted as saying it himself yesterday.
 
Vlade4GM

Vlade4GM

All-Star
#49
#49
If we're going to trade anyone Ron has to be it. One, because his contract isn't that expensive and won't make a heck of a difference as an expiring. Two, because there is actually teams out there interested in his services, teams are more wary of Bibby it seems because of his contract situation and his down year. Bibby's value can go up, I don't see Artest's value going up that much if at all and also there's always the chance it can blow up even further like it did last year. Three, we just have to move on to our new era and frankly I'm going to be pissed if Artest is still apart of that. I don't think it's the image we want to create and let's face it, the guy is always a looming problem. Frankly he embarrases the team saying crap like this. If Artest is our franchise player expect mid 1st picks for the rest of the decade.
 
HndsmCelt

HndsmCelt

Hall of Famer
#50
#50
DocHolliday said:
Ron said he was told by Geoff, and Geoff is quoted as saying it himself yesterday.
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Gee you guys win... should I make your quote my signature for the season?

Come on you know better than to put much credence in what Ron claims he was told or what Petrie tells the press. How many times were DC and Webber assured they were not going anywhere?
 
VF21

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#52
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HndsmCelt said:
Gee you guys win... should I make your quote my signature for the season?

Come on you know better than to put much credence in what Ron claims he was told or what Petrie tells the press. How many times were DC and Webber assured they were not going anywhere?
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Exactly.

Ron is going to be a King until he's not a King. Just like Webber, Christie and Peja.

The media wants a scoop so they try and ask Petrie leading questions. When they don't get the exact answer they need, they simply rephrase how they report the quote.

Petrie isn't going to reveal his plans for any of the players via the media. And I wouldn't want him to.
 
VF21

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
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The Truth Hurts said:
Now he does have his off-court problems, but I'd like to think he'll mature more and more through all that stuff and come out a more responsible man than before. I say give the guy another chance, cause he really is one of the best talents and bigger bargains in the entire NBA
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You do realize that's pretty much what Pacers fans said for a long time, right?

He's had a second chance; and a third. At some point you just have to realize that no matter how much you want him to work out, he's always going to be a ticking bomb. I've made the comparison before, but he's a classic character for a Shakespearean tragedy. He has a lot of strengths but he's also fatally flawed.
 
M

mac

All-Star
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#55
Well me being the immature, foolish innocent person I am shall choose to believe in what these articles say and hope that Artest isn't traded.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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nbrans said:
How in the world did this turn into a KG trade thread?
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Fairly simple: about the only scenario where keeping Ron makes sense. People are scratching their head otherwise.

We'll see how this goes, but maybe we should have kept Muss. The fear is that any change, any change at all, is enough excuse to knock Geoff back into "evaluating" mode. Last year Muss comes in, so Geoff decisdes more evaluation is in order despite obvous problems. This year Reggie comes in and...?
 
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