[CHI/DET] Bulls vs Pistons

Who will win?

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Superman

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Kstat said:
You need defense more than offense. All offense does is allow you to trade baskets for the rest of the game and still lose.
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Not against a team like the Bulls. They played well offensively last night, but Detroit's defense and rebounding didn't get any better when Webber was on the bench, and they still got beat by 15.

In a game where you're having trouble scoring, why keep him on the bench?

Worked like a charm in game 3.
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And in Game 4, they got ran out of the gym while chucking up jumper after jumper. They're problem last night stemmed from their inability to score, not their inability to defend. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that they gave up so many points because they were so ineffective on the offensive end.

I'm not saying that had they played Webber, they would have won. I just disagree with the notion that they needed defense so McDyess gets the minutes. I think Webber could have given them the extra dimension needed on offense to get some easy buckets, maybe get to the rim instead of shooting three-pointers, and then the game takes on a different complexion. Of course, the time that Webber was in the game, he didn't do much of anything, but it's not surprising to me that the two games the Pistons shot poorly are the two games Webber's action was severely limited in the second half.
 
love_them_kings

love_them_kings

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Kstat said:
You need defense more than offense. All offense does is allow you to trade baskets for the rest of the game and still lose.



Worked like a charm in game 3.
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Well, I think we saw what happens yesterday when there's all defense & no offense. Obviously you can't win a game if you can't score.

Yeah, and playing Webb more seemed to work just fine in games 1 & 2. Game to game, different things work. But overall, I believe Detroit is a better team with Webb in the mix. I believe you will win this series regardless, but I think you have a better chance of going deeper into the playoffs or making a championship run if Webb is involved in the offense, and to do that he needs to play.
 
sloter

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love_them_kings said:
Hmm... Webb has 3 minutes in the first half (4 minutes left). In those 3 minutes he has 4 points & 3 rebounds, guess he didn't produce enough... :rolleyes:
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It is pretty clear that Webber is the 3rd best big man on the Pistons, so I don't know why everyone is complaining so much about his time. He's not doing much in the 2nd half either and Tyrus Thomas is flying all over the place on the other end. This is more like the Bulls we saw in the first round.
 
Bricklayer

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sloter said:
It is pretty clear that Webber is the 3rd best big man on the Pistons, so I don't know why everyone is complaining so much about his time. He's not doing much in the 2nd half either and Tyrus Thomas is flying all over the place on the other end. This is more like the Bulls we saw in the first round.
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Hell, he might be the best. Only guy outplaying his man tonight.
 
sloter

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Bricklayer said:
Hell, he might be the best. Only guy outplaying his man tonight.
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And that's why the biggest runs the Pistons made were while Webber was on the floor ?

P.S. For those who doubted how much Chauncey Billups means to the Pistons... consider tonight's game.
 
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Bricklayer

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sloter said:
And that's why the biggest runs the Pistons made were while Webber was on the floor ?

P.S. For those who doubted how much Chauncey Billups means to the Pistons... consider tonight's game.
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Webber was in with the starters -- all except him looked pathetic.

Billups is a good PG wihtout much of a backup. Then again he's no better than the 4th best PG remaining in the playoffs, and might be 5th or 6th.
 
sloter

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Bricklayer said:
Billups is a good PG wihtout much of a backup. Then again he's no better than the 4th best PG remaining in the playoffs, and might be 5th or 6th.
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That has absolutely no relevance to how important he is to his team (and he's a better fit for them than any of the other top PGs), which was disputed when people talked about Pistons turnaround when Webber came back (which coincided with Chauncey's return to the lineup).
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

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sloter said:
That has absolutely no relevance to how important he is to his team (and he's a better fit for them than any of the other top PGs), which was disputed when people talked about Pistons turnaround when Webber came back (which coincided with Chauncey's return to the lineup).
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Billups missed about two weeks. This was hardly Pau Gasol returning savior sort of stuff. They were what they were, which was not good enough until Webber arrived in town.
 
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Superman

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sloter said:
That has absolutely no relevance to how important he is to his team (and he's a better fit for them than any of the other top PGs), which was disputed when people talked about Pistons turnaround when Webber came back (which coincided with Chauncey's return to the lineup).
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What was the problem before Chauncey got hurt?

I know you don't like Webber, but to insinuate that the Pistons aren't better with him than they were without him is ridiculous. Absolutely absurd.
 
love_them_kings

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Superman said:
What was the problem before Chauncey got hurt?

I know you don't like Webber, but to insinuate that the Pistons aren't better with him than they were without him is ridiculous. Absolutely absurd.
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You took the words right out of my mouth! :) I'm not going to get in a drawn about debate about whether Webb is the #1, #2, or #3 big man on Detroit, but I don't understand how anyone can say that Detroit is not better off with Webb on their team. It's so silly it's not even worth arguing over.
 
NikateeN

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Ive been for the bulls since they made the post season, actually ive been a Bulls fan since back in the Jordan days, but the Pistons are pretty impresive and im almost 100% sure they will advance.
 
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Superman

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Kstat said:
really? Baron's still playing in the playoffs? Did he get traded before game 5 or something?
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Either way, there's no head check needed.

I like Chauncey a lot, but when you're talking about Steve Nash, Tony Parker, Jason Kidd and Baron Davis, he has to take a back seat.
 
sloter

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Superman said:
Either way, there's no head check needed.

I like Chauncey a lot, but when you're talking about Steve Nash, Tony Parker, Jason Kidd and Baron Davis, he has to take a back seat.
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With one exception... Billups fits Pistons offense (and defense) better than any of those guys would.
 
sloter

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Superman said:
What does that have to do with the initial statement that he's no better than the 4th best point guard in the playoffs?

Oh yeah, nothing.
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It has everything to do with it if you're the Pistons.
Chauncey is the best defender of all those mentioned point guards (Kidd is close), the 2nd best shooter among them (Nash is better) and the best post up player of all of them. Also, he's probably the most clutch of all of them.
Exactly the things that Pistons want from that spot.
What Nash is to Suns is what Chauncey is to Pistons.
 
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Superman

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sloter said:
It has everything to do with it if you're the Pistons.
Chauncey is the best defender of all those mentioned point guards (Kidd is close), the 2nd best shooter among them (Nash is better) and the best post up player of all of them. Also, he's probably the most clutch of all of them.
Exactly the things that Pistons want from that spot.
What Nash is to Suns is what Chauncey is to Pistons.
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:eek:

My initial reaction would be to call that last sentence "crazy talk," but I think it would be safe to call that an exaggeration. An extreme exaggeration.

And, all those points having been made, even if they are true, they still don't make Chauncey more than the 4th best point guard in the playoffs. So they're irrelevant. No one called him the 4th best point guard for the Pistons. I'll bookmark this post in case anyone tries to make that argument.
 
Bricklayer

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Another Eastern Conference game, another ugly snoozefest.

I think the best way for the NBA to increase ratings is not anymore rules tweaks, but simply to disband the entire East and just make the WCF the Finals. Its been like this for 10 years now. At a certain point you just lose the right to exist.
 
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Kstat

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Bricklayer said:
I think the best way for the NBA to increase ratings is not anymore rules tweaks, but simply to disband the entire East and just make the WCF the Finals. Its been like this for 10 years now. At a certain point you just lose the right to exist.
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Hey, who knows, maybe one of these days, the east will break this long run of west dominance in the finals.

Oh wait...

I think until the western conference can prove it can beat the east in the finals more than once every three years, it should be disbanded. Considering the ECF has been the "real" NBA finals 2 out of the last 3 years (and an eyelash from being 3), why not?

At some point, you lose the right to exist....

And calling Billups the 4th best PG left in the playoffs is still funny a hell. I'm still laughing at that one...

Other than Nash, no PG in the NBA has proven more than Billups as a winner, scorer, defender, and floor leader.
 
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KP

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Billups is so fricking consistantly awesome when the game tightens up it's not even funny. Talk about a guy who can start the game with the intent of getting his teamates off(totally do it) and then just flip a switch and completely dominate when he needs to. I'd take him over many other PG's in the league any day, maybe any other one period. When the Pistons get down and he comes back in the game there's just a feeling you get, I know Pistons fans must breath a sigh of relief every time.

So Clutch, such good leadership, always steady in any situation.

Up by 8 in the 4th?? No problem, Down by 20 halfway thru the 3rd?? No problem.

If you looked up "Floor General" in the dictionary this guys face would be staring right back at you. This guy is money.
 
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VF21

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Kstat said:
Hey, who knows, maybe one of these days, the east will break this long run of west dominance in the finals.

Oh wait...

I think until the western conference can prove it can beat the east in the finals more than once every three years, it should be disbanded. Considering the ECF has been the "real" NBA finals 2 out of the last 3 years (and an eyelash from being 3), why not?

At some point, you lose the right to exist....

And calling Billups the 4th best PG left in the playoffs is still funny a hell. I'm still laughing at that one...

Other than Nash, no PG in the NBA has proven more than Billups as a winner, scorer, defender, and floor leader.
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Sorry, but without Chris Webber your team holds absolutely zero fascination for me - and I know the same is true for a number of Kings fans. I won't argue about Billups but I would like to state that for most of the year I'd rather watch Bozo the One-Legged Monkey play hopscotch than watch an EC matchup...

;)
 
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