Lottery position thread

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fnordius

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BMiller52 said:
When can we get some more losses and who plays tomorrow?
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Forecast for tomorrow: Boston lins over Miami, New York lins over New Jersey, Memphis lins over San Antonio, Minnesota lins over Denver, Portland lins over Utah. Also, Atlanta and Milwaukee play, but nobody cares.

And Sac plays New Orleans, but I'm not sure whether anyone cares much about that, either.
 
Vlade4GM

Vlade4GM

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nbrans said:
Good news, Philadelphia won tonight, so we're in sole position of #10. Another win and I will join BMiller52 and cap myself.
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All we had to do was lose. Wwwwhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyy?

I don't know if I'll cap myself, I think drinking poisoned kool-aid will be much more poetic.
 
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10-9n52mustgo

Prospect
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The lottery is now more like a $1 scratcher ticket

Vlade4GM said:
Conley would be nice and hawes could still be around.
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We already have conely on our team, he would be #10, a shoot first, me first, no D playing PG, this guy is a shrimp, I mean he is like 6'1 and 175 pounds. If you think #10 is a defensive mismatch every night imagine how a team would pick on the shrimp.....

And you know we already have Hawes, he is #52 if memory serves me right..

I agree with many on here, this was a golden opportunity to do something good but it appears as if musseldork is screwing us again on the way out, anybody out there get this feeling we are going to end up with some overseas guy who won't come over right away or some 7 foot plus stiff that is deemed a project center that will be about as useful as Joe Klein or Pervis Ellison....
 
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10-9n52mustgo

Prospect
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Alternate off season theory..any thoughts?

Ugg, maybe we should try to trade our now lousy #10 pick with some garbage like #9 or #52 just to try to sucker some team into taking that dump off our hands and then try to add something off value through FA. That cap space could net us Rashard Lewis or Gerald Wallace or someone like that.

Any thoughts, I mean can you really get someone at #10 or lower that would be better than them, then again would a team really take #9 or #52 off our hands just to get the #10 - #12 pick? Just an alternate theory, any thoughts out there in disappointed/frustrated land.....

Oh, now we might as well beat the Lakers and I have this feeling we will probably do that and keep sinking in the lottery....oh well, there is always next year.....we can draft about 15th then also...
 
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migibizzle

G-League
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Draft Thabeet he is a project but has the highest ceiling after Horford. We will most likely be in the 10-12 range pick wise and with luck Thabeet goes in that area.
 
SacTownKid

SacTownKid

Hall of Famer
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Yeah I don't think I can truse the Conley pick. He looks like a good player but he really hasn't done much of anything to prove he's a legit star type player.
 
Löwenherz

Löwenherz

Starter
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All that optimism I expressed earlier ... forget it, it's gone now.

I think the Clippers should be forced to dismantal their team and give us Brand for that pathetic showing today.

We'll trade them Muss and whoever thought it was a good idea for the Kings to win.
 
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HighFlyingMonkey

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SacTownKid said:
Yeah I don't think I can truse the Conley pick. He looks like a good player but he really hasn't done much of anything to prove he's a legit star type player.
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Yeah, because leading your team to the National Championship, being arguably the MVP on your team, and making probably the best bid in the nation for the best PG in college basketball as a Freshman is means you are a sure-fire Bust.

And Conley is not shoot first. Think Chris Paul.
 
ParniValjak

ParniValjak

All-Star
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Considering we shot ourselves in the foot today with the game against the Clippers, I would be extremely happy if we picked up Conley with our pick which will likely be in the 10-12 range.

We would have a legit young PG who knows how to run the team and is a pesky little defender. His shots needs some work but I would definetly be picking him up.
 
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10-9n52mustgo

Prospect
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Overboard

"And Conley is not shoot first. Think Chris Paul"............from highflyingmonkey...........WAWAWAWHAT.....


If this guy is CP3 then he would go #3, look, I know we all have our opinions on here and mine is that even putting him in the same breath as Paul is wishful thinking. I know we want to imagine we can recycle Bibby for Conely and he will be the next Chris Paul but nothing he has ever done indicated he will have be able to hold CP3's jock. Of course he may well turn out good, then again, I don't think Chris Paul, I think more like Rafer Alston right now and maybe Raymond Felton (like how good he is this year) at the very best. Who knows though, it is all speculation, the talent is there for many guys but it is work ethic and desire that sets the good apart from the great. See you all at the lottery in 08.....unfortunately.....

Unless we trade the pick and #9 or #52 and use the space to sign a FA, knowing the Magoof's / Petrie Dish though they will not do anything worthwhile in this offseason.......I hope I have to eat my words though.......
 
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HighFlyingMonkey

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"And Conley is not shoot first. Think Chris Paul"............from highflyingmonkey...........WAWAWAWHAT.....


If this guy is CP3 then he would go #3, look, I know we all have our opinions on here and mine is that even putting him in the same breath as Paul is wishful thinking. I know we want to imagine we can recycle Bibby for Conely and he will be the next Chris Paul but nothing he has ever done indicated he will have be able to hold CP3's jock. Of course he may well turn out good, then again, I don't think Chris Paul, I think more like Rafer Alston right now and maybe Raymond Felton (like how good he is this year) at the very best. Who knows though, it is all speculation, the talent is there for many guys but it is work ethic and desire that sets the good apart from the great. See you all at the lottery in 08.....unfortunately.....
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Ugh...

First of all, I'm comparing playing style. Conley plays very similarly to Chris Paul, who is a pure PG with brilliant slashing ability and shaky jumpshot. We are in DESPERATE need of one. And besides, CP3 went #4 in a MUCH weaker draft class. He would have gone somewhere between 8-10 in this year's draft.

Second of all, Rafer Alston? WTF? He's not a pure PG at all, he's a terrible slasher, a terrible shooter, and not a leader. Rafer's useless. Felton is a little better comparion, but he's more built for pure speed, while I think Conley is a higher IQ player and a better floor general. Again, different styles.

Third, I would have bet on being a lottery team in 08 even if we got Oden or Durant. That's what rebuilding is all about.
 
Entity

Entity

Hall of Famer
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Just because we are in the 10th position as far as standings go desn't mean we will get the 10th pick. I think alot of ppl are getting lost in that idea. Milwallkee was in the 8th position when the landed the 1st pick and got Bogut. Its time some luck came the Kings way.
 
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Troy

Starter
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As long as you are not making the playoffs which the Kings aren't..you are in the lottery. With the win against the Clips we have less lottery balls, but we are still in the lottery.
 
nbrans

nbrans

All-Star
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The Conley/Paul comparisons are way off base. Paul was much, much more impressive coming out of college and was obviously a can't-miss point guard. Conley has shown some flashes, but there's no comparison.

And no no no no no to Hawes. How long is this team going to go without any shotblocking??? Do we really need another defensively challenged big??
 
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Jerryaki

Jerryaki

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nbrans said:
And no no no no no to Hawes. How long is this team going to go without any shotblocking??? Do we really need another defensively challenged big??
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of course! that's the identity we have established for ourselves! ;)

seriously, when i saw some mock drafts having us with hawes, and comparing him to divac, i said, "oh, sh*t..."
 
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fnordius

All-Star
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Merdiesel said:
I was in Santa Barbara all weekend so can someone explain to me what the hell happened? Do we now have no chance of getting a top 5 pick??
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We have no chance of getting a top 8 draft position. We currently have a 1.1% chance of getting the #1 pick through the lottery, and slightly higher chances of getting #2 or #3. But after the Clippers woss, we're basically looking at about a 1/20 chance of getting anything better than a 9-11 pick.
 
Vlade4GM

Vlade4GM

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nbrans said:
The Conley/Paul comparisons are way off base. Paul was much, much more impressive coming out of college and was obviously a can't-miss point guard. Conley has shown some flashes, but there's no comparison.

And no no no no no to Hawes. How long is this team going to go without any shotblocking??? Do we really need another defensively challenged big??
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You have to take BPA at late lottery IMO, that may be Hawes that may not. Just because we're picking that player doesn't mean we're going to keep him. Solid centers whether they're a defensive presence or not are very valuable around the league.
 
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Troy

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Vlade4GM said:
You have to take BPA at late lottery IMO, that may be Hawes that may not. Just because we're picking that player doesn't mean we're going to keep him. Solid centers whether they're a defensive presence or not are very valuable around the league.
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True, a big guy with skills is pretty nice to have. I rather us get a player with some time in the D-league for next to nothing if that is all we can get with our pick. Make another team spend the dime on that player not us investing in a 3-4 year project.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Vlade4GM said:
You have to take BPA at late lottery IMO, that may be Hawes that may not. Just because we're picking that player doesn't mean we're going to keep him. Solid centers whether they're a defensive presence or not are very valuable around the league.
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Are they? I do wonder. How many wins has Andrw Bogut added for the Bucks? Heck for that matter, how many does our own "solid center" add for us?
 
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rhythmless

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hibbert doesnt look too athletic either from the reports.

i cant believe they screwd it up. these couple of feel good wins means so much. i feel like the kings are oblivious.
 
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10-9n52mustgo

Prospect
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Man Crush

HighFlyingMonkey said:
Ugh...

First of all, I'm comparing playing style. Conley plays very similarly to Chris Paul, who is a pure PG with brilliant slashing ability and shaky jumpshot. We are in DESPERATE need of one. And besides, CP3 went #4 in a MUCH weaker draft class. He would have gone somewhere between 8-10 in this year's draft.

Second of all, Rafer Alston? WTF? He's not a pure PG at all, he's a terrible slasher, a terrible shooter, and not a leader. Rafer's useless. Felton is a little better comparion, but he's more built for pure speed, while I think Conley is a higher IQ player and a better floor general. Again, different styles.

Third, I would have bet on being a lottery team in 08 even if we got Oden or Durant. That's what rebuilding is all about.
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...You are not the only one out there with an opinion. And like I said in my post I think he stinks BUT I hope I am wrong and he is what you think he is, we all want the same thing baby and that is a better Kings team in 07-08!
 
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nbrans

nbrans

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HighFlyingMonkey said:
First of all, I'm comparing playing style. Conley plays very similarly to Chris Paul, who is a pure PG with brilliant slashing ability and shaky jumpshot. We are in DESPERATE need of one. And besides, CP3 went #4 in a MUCH weaker draft class. He would have gone somewhere between 8-10 in this year's draft.
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Since when did Chris Paul have a shaky jumpshot? He shot 47% from 3 both of his years in college. He was a great shooter. So far he's struggled to extend to NBA 3 point shooter, but he's a deadly midrange shooter, and he made people pay from the college 3.

By contrast, Conley shoots 30% from 3 (not to mention only 69% from the free throw line). He doesn't have any range at all.

Chris Paul was a can't miss point guard, and he would be top 5 in this draft class as well. With Conley, maybe he'll learn to shoot, maybe not, but to me he's a shaky pick.
 
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HighFlyingMonkey

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nbrans said:
Since when did Chris Paul have a shaky jumpshot? He shot 47% from 3 both of his years in college. He was a great shooter. So far he's struggled to extend to NBA 3 point shooter, but he's a deadly midrange shooter, and he made people pay from the college 3.

By contrast, Conley shoots 30% from 3 (not to mention only 69% from the free throw line). He doesn't have any range at all.

Chris Paul was a can't miss point guard, and he would be top 5 in this draft class as well. With Conley, maybe he'll learn to shoot, maybe not, but to me he's a shaky pick.
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Maybe in college, but in the NBA he's struggled with his three's. I see similarities that Paul is a good midrange shooter and Conley has improved over the year went along.

Conley may have shot terribly over the season, but it definitely has improved. He's still missing his threes.

I agree that Paul was definitely the better prospect than Conley, but you see similarities in their style of game, with Paul being overall much better. Though I disagree he would not have gone Top 5 in this draft.
 
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