Kings @ Jazz Game Thread

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Roman

Roman

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chelle said:
We see things SOOOO differently! Oh well, that is the joy and freedom of being a fan!
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What exactly did you see then?

I saw Mike Bibby shoot 5-15 going into the 4th. I saw him play atrocious defense and pretty much look terrible up to that point.

I saw him have a good 4th quarter. 6 points, 1 assist on 3 shots.

I saw Shareef go 3-3 to get 11 points in the first half with 4 rebounds. I saw him get zoned out in the 3rd. I saw him get some good stuff in the 4th with 3 rebs, 10 points and a key steal ... not to mention the go-ahead 3.
 
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Roman said:
If I see this lineup, I'm personally holding you responsible.

I will know without a shadow of a doubt that Muss patrols the boards!
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Sorry, i prepone the suggestion. But if these guys can beat Phoenix it could start to be fun again. The team isn't as bad as they've been playing, maybe they can start to mesh a little.
 
Roman

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GoGoGadget said:
Eh... slight overstatement on my part. I'll admit it.
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Okay, we're on the same page then.

We all know I have a prediliction towards not enjoying Bibby's games. He's just not a PG and it frustrates me.

But, he did have a great 4th and I hope it carries over. If only to increase his trade value (yes, I can't give an outright compliment to Bibby).
 
Roman

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most_casual_observer said:
Sorry, i prepone the suggestion. But if these guys can beat Phoenix it could start to be fun again. The team isn't as bad as they've been playing, maybe they can start to mesh a little.
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This I completely agree with.

I'm sick of everyone saying that it's the players and they aren't good enough. I disagree. I think our style of play, with the players we have, is not good enough. But, if we become more directed on offense and quit trying to run it and play to our strengths ... we'll win more than we'll lose.
 
GoGoGadget

GoGoGadget

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Roman said:
Way to choose good numbers.

He was 3-8 in the 3rd and 3-3 in the fourth.
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:confused:

Don't tell me that your choice to mention his 8-18 had nothing to do with the fact that it supported your position.

He didn't shoot very well tonight overall. No one's disputing that. But a 2-9 start and a 6-9 finish shows improvement -- doesn't matter in which quarter it occurred.
 
chelle

chelle

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Roman said:
What exactly did you see then?

I saw Mike Bibby shoot 5-15 going into the 4th. I saw him play atrocious defense and pretty much look terrible up to that point.

I saw him have a good 4th quarter. 6 points, 1 assist on 3 shots.

I saw Shareef go 3-3 to get 11 points in the first half with 4 rebounds. I saw him get zoned out in the 3rd. I saw him get some good stuff in the 4th with 3 rebs, 10 points and a key steal ... not to mention the go-ahead 3.
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I saw a very good player work through hhis problems to pair with another player (SAR) to win the game for us. I said MANY times tonight that Bibby's shooting as off, but he ended VERY well. Without him and SAR, we would not have won tonight. THAT is what I saw.

You saw him "almost shoot us out of the game." I saw him keeping us in it with other things when his shooting was not going.

My point is that you seem to see the faults in his game and I tend to focus on the positives. I try to do that with ALL our players. I think that we need BOTH views. Too much either way is not accurate.
 
Honolulu Kings Fan

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GoGoGadget said:
:confused:

Don't tell me that your choice to mention his 8-18 had nothing to do with the fact that it supported your position.

He didn't shoot very well tonight overall. No one's disputing that. But a 2-9 start and a 6-9 finish shows improvement -- doesn't matter in which quarter it occurred.
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umm.. i'd just like to say that he didn't choose the numbers... those were Bibby's final numbers you can't argue with that... he didn't select a group of numbers to make bibby look bad, although you did choose numbers that showed an improvement. Bibby simply had bad numbers overall. so although bibby may have shown improvement in the 4th quarter it doesn't erase all the bad shots he took earlier in the game.
 
Roman

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chelle said:
I saw a very good player work through hhis problems to pair with another player (SAR) to win the game for us. I said MANY times tonight that Bibby's shooting as off, but he ended VERY well. Without him and SAR, we would not have won tonight. THAT is what I saw.
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I agree with that completely.
 
LMM

LMM

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way to inbound the ball rockets!

Jeff Van Gundy is so bad in drawing up plays for inbounding the ball!!!!!!

1.9 left, rockets ball, and the Lakers are the ones who gets to attempt a shot?!

Oh well, over time @ LA. Doesn't bode well for Houston..

Still, Go Rockets!
 
Roman

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PixelPusher said:
Nice block by Yao. Can we get one of those for our team?
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I'll take two!

I was down on this guy ... real hard. I was thoroughly disappointed with him, being that my love is the post and I thought he'd utterly dominate in ways that hadn't been seen since Shaq was a wee young-un.

It's nice to see him fulfill his destiny.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Shareef had a nice game. He still has a few here and there. The problem being that the rest of the time he looks washed up. So good game to Shareef, but there's nothing to build on there. Its not too much different than Corliss's 18pt game a few nights back. Nice, but he's not going to do it every night, so its a footnote. Bibby on the other hand is about 20 games removed from a season when he averaged 21ppg as our leading scorer, and until this early season had shown no signs of slowing down. His reemergence is significant in a much larger way than is Reef's. His reemergence as the man down the stretch is the best sign of all, as Reef and Kevin fans aside, Bibby is clearly the player there with a pedigree for winning things at the end. Get him hitting big shots again, and it takes the pressure off Ron to dominate the ball so much late.
 
nbrans

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Bricklayer said:
Shareef had a nice game. He still has a few here and there. The problem being that the rest of the time he looks washed up. So good game to Shareef, but there's nothing to build on there. Its not too much different than Corliss's 18pt game a few nights back. Nice, but he's not going to do it every night, so its a footnote. Bibby on the other hand is about 20 games removed from a season when he averaged 21ppg as our leading scorer, and until this early season had shown no signs of slowing down. His reemergence is significant in a much larger way than is Reef's. His reemergence as the man down the stretch is the best sign of all, as Reef and Kevin fans aside, Bibby is clearly the player there with a pedigree for winning things at the end. Get him hitting big shots again, and it takes the pressure off Ron to dominate the ball so much late.
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Er, this is a bit excessive. Shareef has had two very strong games in a row. Bibby had a nice quarter. I don't see how a quarter is more signifcant than two games.
 
VF21

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Bricklayer said:
His reemergence as the man down the stretch is the best sign of all, as Reef and Kevin fans aside, Bibby is clearly the player there with a pedigree for winning things at the end. Get him hitting big shots again, and it takes the pressure off Ron to dominate the ball so much late.
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Please do not lump Kevin fans in with Reef fans.

:p

I agree with your comments entirely! I'm just glad to see life in our team.

:D
 
GoGoGadget

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nbrans said:
Er, this is a bit excessive. Shareef has had two very strong games in a row. Bibby had a nice quarter. I don't see how a quarter is more signifcant than two games.
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Mike showing even the slightest glimmer of hope that perhaps, maybe, hopefully, there's even the tiniest of chances that he's back to his old self is HUGELY significant.

We can argue till the cows come home that maybe this shouldn't be the case, but it is -- this team, as currently built, is miles better when Mike is playing at a high level. Miles.
 
Bricklayer

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nbrans said:
Er, this is a bit excessive. Shareef has had two very strong games in a row. Bibby had a nice quarter. I don't see how a quarter is more signifcant than two games.
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A quarter means something for the future. Or could. Reef's not averaging 20ppg agian in his career for any team not headed back to his traditional lottery haunts. He's an 11pt 6reb guy coming off of an 11pt 5reb seaon after a 16pt 6reb season...you get the picture. Mike however has been a major scorer, and clutch scorer, for 5 straight playoff teams, including 2 60win type championship contenders. We aren't going there this year, but him returning to form would give us a fighting chance. Reef is if anything proving my early assertions that at this point he seems more effective coming off the bench as a 6th man, having played himself back there in just the last few weeks. Be nice to have him going, but Mike is currently a cornetstone, Reef a spare part, and the cornerstone waking up is the interesting point in this one. (althoguh I continue to find extra wins dubious in a seson when our shto at a title is roghly 0%).
 
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Roman

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Bricklayer said:
Shareef had a nice game. He still has a few here and there. The problem being that the rest of the time he looks washed up. So good game to Shareef, but there's nothing to build on there. Its not too much different than Corliss's 18pt game a few nights back. Nice, but he's not going to do it every night, so its a footnote. Bibby on the other hand is about 20 games removed from a season when he averaged 21ppg as our leading scorer, and until this early season had shown no signs of slowing down. His reemergence is significant in a much larger way than is Reef's. His reemergence as the man down the stretch is the best sign of all, as Reef and Kevin fans aside, Bibby is clearly the player there with a pedigree for winning things at the end. Get him hitting big shots again, and it takes the pressure off Ron to dominate the ball so much late.
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I think Bibby's "reemergence" coincides with taking a ton of shots.

If we gave Shareef 35MPG and 15 shots per game, I'm sure we'd see 20-21 PPG. There's no reason to assume he wouldn't.

You talk about washed up ... I saw underused. Is it his fault he's not a penetrater and probably shouldn't take jumpers ... yet that is often the role he's relegated to?

Put the guy in the post and give him minutes and touches, he'll deliver.

You can't base non-performance when someone doesn't get the chance or opportunity to perform.

I'd like to see how well Bibby's stats would fare with 8 shots and 26 minutes.
 
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