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Mark Cuban said they weren't trading Harris, but with A.I. they would have no need for Jason Terry. I wonder if a package around Terry would interest Philly. Not sure what else they would throw in to make the deal work, but without Terry or Harris, Dallas would only be offering expiring contracts and middling talent. I don't think they'd give up their bigs.
It would be very tricky because I'm pretty sure Terry is BYC due to his new deal. He also couldn't be traded until December 15th.
EDIT: Actually, it wouldn't be that tricky. Terry's BYC figure is $6,660,000 (last year's salary) and his his actual salary is either $8,100,000 (ESPN) or $7,500,000 (Hoopshype), so that's not an insurmountable difference in such a large deal. But he still couldn't be traded until December 15th.
EDIT: Actually, it wouldn't be that tricky. Terry's BYC figure is $6,660,000 (last year's salary) and his his actual salary is either $8,100,000 (ESPN) or $7,500,000 (Hoopshype), so that's not an insurmountable difference in such a large deal. But he still couldn't be traded until December 15th.
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I have intentionally stayed away from this conversation because I know that my feelings on a Bibby/Iverson trade are probably based more on emotion and sentiment than on actual basketball.
However...
I was discussing this all with my boyfriend today -- a relatively neutral fan of the sport rather than a particular team -- and I got to thinking about the possible ramifications of such a trade.
If the trade involved just Mike Bibby and Allen Iverson + picks/secondary players to even things out, I'd be very curious to see which team performed better. Kings' new starting lineup including Iverson/Martin/Artest/Miller sounds interesting, but Bibby/Iguodala/Webber/Dalembert could also be quite effective despite being anchored by a broken down superstar.
Would also be interesting to see how Mike would react to his dad being on the coaching staff considering their rocky relationship over the years.
Still no yea or nay, just a few random thoughts.
However...
I was discussing this all with my boyfriend today -- a relatively neutral fan of the sport rather than a particular team -- and I got to thinking about the possible ramifications of such a trade.
If the trade involved just Mike Bibby and Allen Iverson + picks/secondary players to even things out, I'd be very curious to see which team performed better. Kings' new starting lineup including Iverson/Martin/Artest/Miller sounds interesting, but Bibby/Iguodala/Webber/Dalembert could also be quite effective despite being anchored by a broken down superstar.
Would also be interesting to see how Mike would react to his dad being on the coaching staff considering their rocky relationship over the years.
Still no yea or nay, just a few random thoughts.
I agree, the Maloofs are gamblers and wined and dined Artest and I see them going strongly after AI with or without GP. This in the end will probably mean no more GP having done this the past two years of going over his head. I thought I saw Mike's dad sitting next to Cheeks, is he an assistant over in Philly? With Mike being about to opt out, his dad being a asst coach, him being the man and playing with CWebb again I definately think he gets traded there now or just goes there in the offseason when he opts out.
I think a AI, KMart, Artest, K9, Miller starting lineup would be awesome. We still need that shot blocker, but the mix of shooting in KMart and Miller and Artests and AI slashing and K9s quickness and garbage man role of not needing shots works good. Also with the scoring taken care of in the starting 5, we can work on building up our bench and have a shot blocker/rebounder coming in when needed.
NBrans, thanks for the good sources and research. Are we mentioned here or is this us Kings fans throwing ourselves into the derby for AI as wishful thinking? I haven't heard us mentioned from what I read, but I've read very little, do we hear stuff outside of Sac in our interest?
I think a AI, KMart, Artest, K9, Miller starting lineup would be awesome. We still need that shot blocker, but the mix of shooting in KMart and Miller and Artests and AI slashing and K9s quickness and garbage man role of not needing shots works good. Also with the scoring taken care of in the starting 5, we can work on building up our bench and have a shot blocker/rebounder coming in when needed.
NBrans, thanks for the good sources and research. Are we mentioned here or is this us Kings fans throwing ourselves into the derby for AI as wishful thinking? I haven't heard us mentioned from what I read, but I've read very little, do we hear stuff outside of Sac in our interest?
Webber is gone in Philly. They're trying to get the nasty contracts out of there. Trading him is one thing, so if they can do so, they will. But, if not, they'll just let him expire next season. Either way, he's not in their future.
As for Bibby, well, he's had a pretty rocky relationship with his father in his past, so, if anything IMO, that would make him avoid playing for his father (who yes, is an assist with the Sixers). I can't really see Mike going to Philly by choice...especially since Webber wont be there.
As for any attention outside of Sac, yes, there is...but there is for most teams. Marc Stein and SAS have reported the Kings interest, moreso the Maloofs interest.
This is more then a basketball player choice...this is business. AI + Artest gives them a great chance for the Arena issue to gain speed and helps that quite a bit. It also creates a lot more $$$, media, etc.
Add in the fact that Bibby could (and has been rumored) to opt out this season, and is a FA next if he doesn't and they don't extend...and AI has only 2 years left...it's for sure something that is being talked about.
As for Bibby, well, he's had a pretty rocky relationship with his father in his past, so, if anything IMO, that would make him avoid playing for his father (who yes, is an assist with the Sixers). I can't really see Mike going to Philly by choice...especially since Webber wont be there.
As for any attention outside of Sac, yes, there is...but there is for most teams. Marc Stein and SAS have reported the Kings interest, moreso the Maloofs interest.
This is more then a basketball player choice...this is business. AI + Artest gives them a great chance for the Arena issue to gain speed and helps that quite a bit. It also creates a lot more $$$, media, etc.
Add in the fact that Bibby could (and has been rumored) to opt out this season, and is a FA next if he doesn't and they don't extend...and AI has only 2 years left...it's for sure something that is being talked about.
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let's be honest
first of all, iverson hasn't played with elite players in philly....it's just been the dynamics of his situation. If you think about he hasnt' even had "above average" players with him expect maybe larry hughes and stakhouse.
But I'm posting on Salmons. Someone just said they've been impressed with him. Are you crazy? The only reason he looks impresssive at all is because he's playing with us. Imagine him on Pheonix, the lakers, even the warriors. he wouldnt even play. I thought he was going to be much more dynamic player. He just doesn't play the way you'd think a typical petrie free agent would...my question is, what the hell was the league thinking when teams like the suns and toronto were trying to really recruit this guy. Let's be serious.
first of all, iverson hasn't played with elite players in philly....it's just been the dynamics of his situation. If you think about he hasnt' even had "above average" players with him expect maybe larry hughes and stakhouse.
But I'm posting on Salmons. Someone just said they've been impressed with him. Are you crazy? The only reason he looks impresssive at all is because he's playing with us. Imagine him on Pheonix, the lakers, even the warriors. he wouldnt even play. I thought he was going to be much more dynamic player. He just doesn't play the way you'd think a typical petrie free agent would...my question is, what the hell was the league thinking when teams like the suns and toronto were trying to really recruit this guy. Let's be serious.
AI would NOT move the ball. Picture Artest dribbling into a double team, then jacking up a shot X 25. I agree an opportunity has presented itself, but I've seen enough of AI here on the east coast to know* it would be a step backwards. Do you think Muss has the panache to get AI to do what needs to be done? Maybe a change of scenery would get AI to change somehow, but I doubt it.
*as much as any sports fan could know, anyway.
*as much as any sports fan could know, anyway.
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I'm having a lot of problems finding reasons not to do it should the opportunity arise.
Our Kings are stuck in a rut. They can either order the new Breakfast Chiabatta sandwich at Jack in the Box (you need to see the commercial to understand) or they can take a BIG leap and see what happens. At least we wouldn't be bored.
I'm having a lot of problems finding reasons not to do it should the opportunity arise.
Our Kings are stuck in a rut. They can either order the new Breakfast Chiabatta sandwich at Jack in the Box (you need to see the commercial to understand) or they can take a BIG leap and see what happens. At least we wouldn't be bored.
Okay, I'll be serious. Have you actually SEEN any Kings games? John Salmons has been a nice surprise for most around here. No one is trying to elect him an All-Star or put him in the Hall of Fame. That isn't what he was hired for. He was hired to be a role player and in that context he has, indeed, played his role to perfection thus far.
Not everyone is going to be a starter. You need the role players. We desperately needed someone to fill the void on the bench left when Martin became a starter. Salmons has done what was expected. If he hasn't lived up to your expectations, that's your problem, not his or the Kings.
Not everyone is going to be a starter. You need the role players. We desperately needed someone to fill the void on the bench left when Martin became a starter. Salmons has done what was expected. If he hasn't lived up to your expectations, that's your problem, not his or the Kings.
I don't think that AI is a great defensive player. It only seems like it because he gets a lot of steals off of takin chances in the passing lanes. I guarantee that if this trade goes down people are still going to complain that our PG cant stay in front of his man. Without a big man to alter shots it's still going to be a freeway to the hoop. IMO point guards cant guard other point guards. The only 2 PG's that I think is a more then adequate defender are Chauncy Billups and Kidd.
i haven't seen any sixers games in a while, but i was watching some AI videos on youtube. some steals he made were shown, and he did get some by jumping in the passing lane, but others he just swiped. Anyway, I was impressed by two things from the videos. The first being that AI can dunk. Mike Bibby is taller than AI but I've never seen Bibby dunk. The second thing that impressed me was his ball handlings skills and ability to find the open man. if he tries he appears to be a great passer
The second thing that impressed me was his ball handlings skills and ability to find the open man. if he tries he appears to be a great passer
If you want to take a chance on A.I. why not get Artest's best friend in Indy. He seems worn out his welcome. It make Artest happy having his running mate around.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=261209005
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=261209005
i haven't seen any sixers games in a while, but i was watching some AI videos on youtube. some steals he made were shown, and he did get some by jumping in the passing lane, but others he just swiped. Anyway, I was impressed by two things from the videos. The first being that AI can dunk. Mike Bibby is taller than AI but I've never seen Bibby dunk. The second thing that impressed me was his ball handlings skills and ability to find the open man. if he tries he appears to be a great passer
The second thing that impressed me was his ball handlings skills and ability to find the open man. if he tries he appears to be a great passer
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Look, I'm being very objective. I've been watching the kings since 1990. I've had NBA league pass since i came out and i've seen a lot of NBA basketball. John Salmons is an okay player. He is NOT as great as people on this forum tend to think because he's playing on an average team right now. All this talk about him having good ball handling skills and passing skills weren't as advertised.
Answer this question. Other than last year, have we had a primary bench player worse than salmons? Jon Barry, Bobby Jackson, Jim Jackson, Hedo, Mo Evans, Damon Jones....I could go on. Anyone who knows basketball would not put John Salmons in that category. Let's be prefectly honest.
Let's go thru the list of teams ahead of where Salmons would actually get playing time in the west: Maybe the sonics, twolves, rockets?
Look my point is whatever Kenny and Salmons have to say about Iverson and his way of playing doesnt mean JACK. They're guys who extremely overrate the own skill. It would be one thing if these guys were good solid desirable NBA players (now this is why I questioned Pheonix watching Salmons...imagine salmon jacking 3's in phoenix at his %) and this "selfishness" of AI were true...the coaches should have done something about it. Seriously, if you're one of the best scores in the world, are you going to drop it off to kenny when you konw he's gonna blow the scooping lay up or let John Salmons take a ugly jumper? Let's not jump to conclusions about AI's selfishness...he did what he needs to do help his team...bottom line. Plus his heart is much bigger than that of Kenny or Salmons. In 11 years, it's the first team he's showed a lack of commitment to the franchise and unlike salmons, he plays thru EVERY injury.
Answer this question. Other than last year, have we had a primary bench player worse than salmons? Jon Barry, Bobby Jackson, Jim Jackson, Hedo, Mo Evans, Damon Jones....I could go on. Anyone who knows basketball would not put John Salmons in that category. Let's be prefectly honest.
Let's go thru the list of teams ahead of where Salmons would actually get playing time in the west: Maybe the sonics, twolves, rockets?
Look my point is whatever Kenny and Salmons have to say about Iverson and his way of playing doesnt mean JACK. They're guys who extremely overrate the own skill. It would be one thing if these guys were good solid desirable NBA players (now this is why I questioned Pheonix watching Salmons...imagine salmon jacking 3's in phoenix at his %) and this "selfishness" of AI were true...the coaches should have done something about it. Seriously, if you're one of the best scores in the world, are you going to drop it off to kenny when you konw he's gonna blow the scooping lay up or let John Salmons take a ugly jumper? Let's not jump to conclusions about AI's selfishness...he did what he needs to do help his team...bottom line. Plus his heart is much bigger than that of Kenny or Salmons. In 11 years, it's the first team he's showed a lack of commitment to the franchise and unlike salmons, he plays thru EVERY injury.
I must not know much about basketball, because my ranking out that group would be Bobby, Jim Jackson, Hedo, Salmons, Barry, Evans, Jones.
Anyway, on topic, Mark Cuban says the Mavs are out, and it seems like the Bobcats are interested, which would be interesting.
PS: You know, 29 hometown papers around the country are covering the Allen Iverson situation....... except the Bee. The silence is deafening.
Anyway, on topic, Mark Cuban says the Mavs are out, and it seems like the Bobcats are interested, which would be interesting.
PS: You know, 29 hometown papers around the country are covering the Allen Iverson situation....... except the Bee. The silence is deafening.
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