Bee: Arena sales tax hike in deep trouble

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http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/32085.html

Arena sales tax hike in deep trouble
Survey shows little support, even among Kings fans
By Mary Lynne Vellinga and Terri Hardy - Bee Staff Writers
Last Updated 12:38 am PDT Sunday, October 1, 2006


Unconvinced their tax dollars should pay for a new Kings arena, Sacramento County voters appear poised to soundly reject a proposal to increase the sales tax a quarter-cent to build a new sports and entertainment complex for the basketball team.

A poll commissioned by The Bee found no strong base of support for the sales tax proposal, even among die-hard Kings fans.

Leaders of the arena plan said they still have time to change voters' minds in the five weeks until the Nov. 7 election, but the pollster, Cheryl Katz, said they face "a pretty steep uphill climb."

In the survey of 600 Sacramento County residents taken between Sept. 22 and Sept. 25, 58 percent said they would vote against Measure R, which would raise the sales tax.

Just 23 percent said they would vote for it, and 19 percent were undecided.

Measure Q, the advisory companion measure that would earmark the sales tax funds to be split between an arena and other community amenities, received a higher level of support, with 42 percent of respondents saying they would vote yes, and 38 percent saying they opposed it.

However, Measure Q's passage would be meaningless without the sales tax money contained in Measure R.

Only 16 percent of those polled said they would vote for both Q and R.

County residents were selected at random from a list of registered voters identified as likely voters based on their voting history. The poll's margin of error is plus or minus four percentage points.

Katz, vice president of Baldassare Associates, the nonpartisan, nonprofit public opinion research firm that conducted the poll, said the pro-arena campaign hadn't really gotten under way and voters are still confused about the plan's details.

"Voters have not heard much in terms of campaign messaging," Katz said. "We could still see some movement once the campaign gets rolling."

The dismal poll numbers come as no surprise to those running the "Yes on Q & R" campaign.

"Everybody understands that this is going to be a challenging campaign," said Ray McNally, a campaign consultant working on the effort. "There's been no campaign. ... These early polls are really meaningless."

Starting Tuesday, Sacramento County television viewers will be bombarded with an ad pitching the arena as more than just a sports and entertainment facility, but rather a key component in a vibrant redevelopment planned for the desolate downtown railyard.

Direct-mail pieces also will be arriving in voters' mailboxes.

Fueled by a recent $2 million campaign contribution from the railyard developer, Thomas Enterprises, the TV advertising campaign will represent the largest amount of money ever spent to promote a local ballot measure, campaign managers said.

"Measures Q and R will dominate political debate in this community because there's a lot at stake," McNally said.

Opponents said they won't have much money to spend, but will win with a grass-roots effort.

"The (poll) results reflect the voters' strong opposition to this bad arena tax deal," said Assemblyman Dave Jones, D-Sacramento. "People don't want to be taxed $1.2 billion to build a publicly owned arena for billionaire sports team owners."

Even as campaign strategists emphasized the positive, the poll contained almost exclusively bad news for arena supporters.

It found one of the campaign's basic building blocks -- convincing voters Arco Arena needs to be replaced -- hasn't even been laid.

Only 40 percent of those interviewed agreed that Arco is outdated, compared with 46 percent who disagreed and 14 percent who said they didn't know.

The poll did find significant enthusiasm for the Kings -- nearly 6 in 10 voters thought it was important to keep them in town -- but that feeling didn't translate into support for spending $542 million in taxpayer funds on a new arena. And 41 percent of those polled said it was not important to keep the Kings in Sacramento.

"It just shows that people aren't really convinced it's important to make a huge effort to keep the team in town," Katz said.

Opposition spanned all gender, age and income groups. "A real challenge for the proponents is that they don't have a solid pocket of support anywhere," Katz said.

John Thomas, president of Maloof Sports and Entertainment, which owns the Kings, said the results weren't surprising.

Details of the final arena deal have yet to be finalized, and the Maloof brothers recently said they were through negotiating unless the city and county agreed to give them various things they said they were promised, including the revenue from 8,000 parking spaces in the railyard. City and county officials have denied they agreed to those provisions.

Nonetheless, they went back to the drawing board and came up with a new arena site plan that they delivered to the Maloofs on Thursday. Thomas said the team is still reviewing it.

"The voters don't know what they're voting on yet," Thomas said. "Our commitment is to resolve the issues as quickly as possible and get on the campaign trail."

Arena supporters had hoped one major selling point would be that at least half of the Measure R sales tax raised over the next 15 years would go back to the county and its cities for community projects.

But the idea hasn't caught on with voters. Only 8 percent of those who said they favored the plan did so because it would raise money for local governments.

"I live in the county, so it's not going to do me one single solitary bit of good to have a quarter-cent sales tax added to everything I buy when I get nothing out of it," said Douglas Busath, 85, a retired lawyer who said he isn't much of a sports fan.

Instead, among those favoring the plan, 28 percent said they liked the fact that it would "boost business," 27 percent cited a need to replace Arco Arena, and 14 percent said they wanted to see the railyard improved.

"Sacramento needs to expand," said supporter Christopher Torres, 42, a south Sacramento security guard who was among those polled. "The downtown area would be the perfect place for an arena. Even though I'm not a big Kings fan, they do need a new arena."

Of those who opposed the plan, 33 percent said it should be built with private funds, 28 percent said it would cost local government too much, and 14 percent said Arco is "just fine."

Helen Dumont, 84, a retired teacher, said she opposes the arena plan. She lives in midtown and likes the idea of seeing the railyard redeveloped with an arena. She also described herself as an "avid Kings fan." But she objected to the magnitude of the public spending.

"There are so many (other) things we should be taxing our citizens for," she said. "Our schools are in bad shape, the roads. I don't think public money should be spent to underwrite millionaires, billionaires, whatever."

Dumont said she has been put off by the stormy negotiating style of owners Joe and Gavin Maloof. "I think they need to grow up a little bit," she said.

Proponents insist they have time to persuade enough voters to support Measures Q and R. Supervisor Roger Dickinson said revitalizing the railyard would be the centerpiece of the campaign.

"We are making headway on acquainting people with what can happen from an economic development standpoint when you have this kind of project," he said.

Katz said that although awareness of the arena issue was very high, residents were not convinced they wanted to raise their sales taxes to pay for the project.

"Most voters already seemed to have made up their minds," she said. Only 11 percent of those polled were undecided about how they would vote on both ballot measures.

Barbara O'Connor, director of the Institute for the Study of Politics and Media at California State University, Sacramento, said even if proponents provide a strong ad campaign, she believes it could only boost numbers by 10 to 15 percentage points.

O'Connor said she believes the yes campaign will have a tough time turning public opinion. The failure of the Maloof family to join the campaign has hurt the effort, she said, and the proponents haven't provided a clear message.

Said O'Connor: "People don't vote for things they don't understand."

About the writer: The Bee's Mary Lynne Vellinga can be reached at (916) 321-1094 or mlvellinga@sacbee.com.
 

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No real surprises here. I think there's a couple of lines that pretty much sum it up for a lot of people:

Dumont said she has been put off by the stormy negotiating style of owners Joe and Gavin Maloof. "I think they need to grow up a little bit," she said.
The article pretty much spells it out. People don't understand the need for a new arena, they don't think the public should have to pay for it, and they don't like the temper tantrums of the Maloofs. And there's been NOTHING to resolve any of those issues coming from the supposed proponents of the measures.

I've seen a lot of ballot proposals fail but these will be the first that totally commit suicide unless they can do something pretty blasted quick to turn it around.

I could have run a better campaign than this. It's heart-breaking to see something that is so important for the people of Sacramento be bungled so badly...
 

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Looks like I might be scheduling a trip back into Sacto come March/April just to catch a game and say goodbye to a Sacto institution.

Welcome to Boise, California! Woot! :rolleyes:
 
#4
Not doing well? I'm perplexed.

It's hard to figure out why the measure could possibly be in "deep trouble" when the local newspaper refers to it as a sales tax hike.

:rolleyes:
 

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^^Exactly. And the perplexing thing is the articles are sometimes very well written but they're shot down by the headlines, which (in case people didn't realize) AREN'T written by the reporters.

I know of at least three articles whose headlines were spun to the point where you had to read carefully to even believe they were for the right piece.

This thing has been a textbook example of how NOT to conduct a successful campaign.
 
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And noone expected this kind of SNAFU'd situation with the Sacramento City Council members at the point. The Maloofs should have opted out for building the arena on private money. Bring in some of their billion dollar friends to invest and this issue wouldnt even be an issue. At least there wont be a new tax!

No real surprises here. I think there's a couple of lines that pretty much sum it up for a lot of people:



The article pretty much spells it out. People don't understand the need for a new arena, they don't think the public should have to pay for it, and they don't like the temper tantrums of the Maloofs. And there's been NOTHING to resolve any of those issues coming from the supposed proponents of the measures.

I've seen a lot of ballot proposals fail but these will be the first that totally commit suicide unless they can do something pretty blasted quick to turn it around.

I could have run a better campaign than this. It's heart-breaking to see something that is so important for the people of Sacramento be bungled so badly...
 
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I really don't get it. All along I've wondered why there has not been more of a push to get people on board for this arena. Even before the measures were on the ballot I was frustrated that no one seemed to want to explain to people WHY they should stand behind this initiative. I tried to give everyone the benefit of the doubt... obviously they must be concentrating on getting it on the ballot first, and then we'd see the massive push to get people on board, right? But I guess I was wrong on that count too? Why hasn't there been a major campaign to educate people & try to give people something they can believe in??

I believe we need a new arena. I want a new arena, not just to keep the Kings, but for everything else it would bring. I am still hoping for the best. That something is in the plans that will blow everyone away & turn around public opinion and get this thing passed. I keep thinking that there is no way this is just going to go down without a fight.

But, it's October 1, folks. We are running out of time to change people's minds. At this point if something doesn't happen soon it's going to be a case of too little, too late.
 

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And noone expected this kind of SNAFU'd situation with the Sacramento City Council members at the point. The Maloofs should have opted out for building the arena on private money. Bring in some of their billion dollar friends to invest and this issue wouldnt even be an issue. At least there wont be a new tax!
Whatever.
It ain't over til it's over. And it's not just about the Maloofs, for about the gazillionth time. You just don't get it, do you?
 
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And noone expected this kind of SNAFU'd situation with the Sacramento City Council members at the point. The Maloofs should have opted out for building the arena on private money. Bring in some of their billion dollar friends to invest and this issue wouldnt even be an issue. At least there wont be a new tax!
Funny man - you be the first in line. Not one single private investor would touch this deal.
 
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And noone expected this kind of SNAFU'd situation with the Sacramento City Council members at the point. The Maloofs should have opted out for building the arena on private money. Bring in some of their billion dollar friends to invest and this issue wouldnt even be an issue. At least there wont be a new tax!
Yeah, while we're at it, I think we should make the Maloofs personally pay for the cleaning up downtown, expanding the police force, and providing textbooks for the schools. After all, all those billionaires need something to spend their money on, right?:rolleyes:
 

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I really don't get it. All along I've wondered why there has not been more of a push to get people on board for this arena. Even before the measures were on the ballot I was frustrated that no one seemed to want to explain to people WHY they should stand behind this initiative. I tried to give everyone the benefit of the doubt... obviously they must be concentrating on getting it on the ballot first, and then we'd see the massive push to get people on board, right? But I guess I was wrong on that count too? Why hasn't there been a major campaign to educate people & try to give people something they can believe in??

I believe we need a new arena. I want a new arena, not just to keep the Kings, but for everything else it would bring. I am still hoping for the best. That something is in the plans that will blow everyone away & turn around public opinion and get this thing passed. I keep thinking that there is no way this is just going to go down without a fight.

But, it's October 1, folks. We are running out of time to change people's minds. At this point if something doesn't happen soon it's going to be a case of too little, too late.
The spots about the railyards and the development plan are supposed to start running soon. They showed part of one on the news Friday. It looks good.

This thing was done assbackwards from the very beginning. It never should have gone to the ballot with so many things left unresolved. The Maloofs, the city/county and the developer should all have been firmly on the same page.

We can only hope there's time to turn this around.
 
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Funny man - you be the first in line. Not one single private investor would touch this deal.

Well then that should be the same for a new tax. Dont touch it with a ten foot pole. It's bad for Sacramento, It's bad for the taxpayers. And I will be in line to place my vote. It's good to be a part of the 30 odd percent of people that DO vote.
 

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Well then that should be the same for a new tax. Dont touch it with a ten foot pole. It's bad for Sacramento, It's bad for the taxpayers. And I will be in line to place my vote. It's good to be a part of the 30 odd percent of people that DO vote.
You're really enjoying yourself, aren't you?

Bring something substantive to the discussion and we'll talk. Until then, you're just spouting inanities to puff yourself up. :rolleyes:
 
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Yeah, while we're at it, I think we should make the Maloofs personally pay for the cleaning up downtown, expanding the police force, and providing textbooks for the schools. After all, all those billionaires need something to spend their money on, right?:rolleyes:

Lets ask a question. Why are the Maloofs so hell bent on paying for the new arena on the backs of the taxpayers of Sacramento County? Because they know that if they pay for it they are going to loose money. So they have signed up to try and get as much corporate wellfare as they can.
I get pissed off when I am in the check out line at the safeway and watch a person use food stamps(no big deal people need help) except then when I see them in the parking lot they get into a new $50,000.00 SUV. Open your eyes people the Maloofs are here for their best intrest and they dont care about Sacramentans.
 
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Well then that should be the same for a new tax. Dont touch it with a ten foot pole. It's bad for Sacramento, It's bad for the taxpayers. And I will be in line to place my vote. It's good to be a part of the 30 odd percent of people that DO vote.
Are you serious? Cities don't operate like a business. They aren't supposed to only do deals where they make a profit.
 

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And noone expected this kind of SNAFU'd situation with the Sacramento City Council members at the point. The Maloofs should have opted out for building the arena on private money. Bring in some of their billion dollar friends to invest and this issue wouldnt even be an issue. At least there wont be a new tax!
I can't even remotely imagine why a billionaire would want to invest in the entertainment of somebody with that attitude.

I think alternately said billionaries might just take their business down to Anaheim to a community which understands its value, buy themselves a few goldplated yachts with the money they save, and leave the small minded peasantry of Sacramento to enjoy its decrepit junkyard downtown amidst exciting nights of peaknuckle and shooting tin cans in the backyard.
 
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Maybe the people that are resoundingly no will not even vote on this thing...

.25% sure is a large tax hike. Out of all the cities in California where public spending can go to sports, I would think Sacramento would have a fair shot of that happening. All the other cities have somewhat large corporate backing to support private spending for projects...
 
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I can't even remotely imagine why a billionaire would want to invest in the entertainment of somebody with that attitude.
'Cause we deserve it.

We're just THAT nifty.

And everyone knows that one of the perks of being so nifty is that you don't have to invest any time, money or effort whatsoever into keeping the things you enjoy. They'll stick around forever just to be further imbued with your cool.

And if they don't? Nurtz to them!
 

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The massive ad campaign is supposed to start today or tomorrow. We'll see if it's too late or if they address the questions that really need to be answered to get this turned around.
 
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The massive ad campaign is supposed to start today or tomorrow. We'll see if it's too late or if they address the questions that really need to be answered to get this turned around.

What do you think they have planned to get people on board for this thing?
 
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What do you think they have planned to get people on board for this thing?
First, your post was edited. We don't need to start the name-calling stuff - even if most of us would agree with the comment you made that is no longer there. ;)

What do they have planned? The bit of commercial I saw was emphasizing the railyards now as opposed to how they could look if the measures pass. It looked good.

We're just going to have to wait and see what happens. We - the fans - have no voice in what happens at this point.
 
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Looks like I might be scheduling a trip back into Sacto come March/April just to catch a game and say goodbye to a Sacto institution.

Welcome to Boise, California! Woot! :rolleyes:
Amen Brick! We lose the Kings, we're no further along in growing up as a city than we were in 1979. Population schmopulation...means nothing without a pulse.
 
#25
The trend of population growth in the Sacramento Valley is on the rise while other places in CA (Bay Area and So Cal) are seeing a loss.

Maybe all those people moving in aren't sports fans?
 
#26
Well if this fails, I expect to see a tax hike on the ballot soon to fix all those things the anti-arena crowd thinks need fixing instead of building an arena. The fact that they haven't proposed any such thing for years should make us believe that's their real motivation here.:rolleyes:

So, no arena, the Kings leave, I expect to see big improvements in all those other important areas in the next ten years. Will I hold my breath? Not unless I have a death wish. Most voters scream about what's needed, but want it all at no cost somehow.

Add to that, the fact that strong leadership with real vision in Sacramento is sorely lacking and mostly has been lacking forever and its a pathetic situation.
 
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Well if this fails, I expect to see a tax hike on the ballot soon to fix all those things the anti-arena crowd thinks need fixing instead of building an arena. The fact that they haven't proposed any such thing for years should make us believe that's their real motivation here.:rolleyes:

So, no arena, the Kings leave, I expect to see big improvements in all those other important areas in the next ten years. Will I hold my breath? Not unless I have a death wish. Most voters scream about what's needed, but want it all at no cost somehow.

Add to that, the fact that strong leadership with real vision in Sacramento is sorely lacking and mostly has been lacking forever and its a pathetic situation.
Kenna, that was beautiful ! We share the same visions(no pun intended ;) ) for and about our city , its residents, and civic leaders. Things just aint right, dammit. But what can ya do, I guess.
 

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Joe Serna had vision... I think Roger Dickinson has vision. It's just a shame I can only think of one living and one dead prominent Sacramento politicians that meet that description.
 
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Joe Serna had vision... I think Roger Dickinson has vision. It's just a shame I can only think of one living and one dead prominent Sacramento politicians that meet that description.
Yeah, I could have been less depressing and acknowledged those two. But the lack of memorable leaders in Sacramento is just sad.:(