People United

[DocHolliday]

I heard on KHTK this morning that there is a group here in Sacramento with a website called People United. They are a group against taxation and the new arena. I only heard it talked about briefly but supposedly they are holding a press conference together.

Phantom suggested starting a group called Fans United. A guy called up and offered to set up a website. Some of the admins/mods from this board should contact Phantom and become representatives for this group. All you need is a few main reps to get notariety yourself and try to get the press to notice youi. So, that the other side can be heard on this issue.

It seems to me that in the US the squeaky wheel always gets the grease, and always gets heard. And, the one's that put enough into getting heard are usually the extremists. That's what I fear with this People United group. Extremist views on negatives of a new arena and taxation that would come with it. And all in all there views can't be very logical or forward thinking, because if you're thinking logically or forward thinking there is nothing negative about the new arena.

Anyway, just wanted to put that info out there. I don't know what the website is for People United, but FP said he was sick to his stomach after taking a look around and reading the propoganda.

I'm ver passionate about getting the arena deal done as many of you are. I am willing to put in whatever time and effort needed for support. I'm a pretty good public speaker, so if it come's down to rally and you need someone to get people fired up I'm there.

 

[jon e]

im on board

 

[Warhawk]

I did a quick internet search and the only website that looked correct was under construction with no information on it, only the words "People United for a Better Sacramento" (PUBS) and a distance photo of downtown.

Not sure what he was reading, but I'd like to know.

 

[meow]

i wouldn't be surprised if the founder of that group is from vegas lol.
i think this is the site, * deleted *

 

[DocHolliday]

I did a quick internet search and the only website that looked correct was under construction with no information on it, only the words "People United for a Better Sacramento" (PUBS) and a distance photo of downtown.

Not sure what he was reading, but I'd like to know.

Ok that's the website posted above, not sure what he was reading either. Myabe it was just the premise of a group and then seeing the photo of Sacramento on their site. I'm really not sure. He just said he felt sick to his stomach after reading it.

 

[Warhawk]

That's the one I looked at. Didn't see the point in linking it since there is nothing there and we don't know if it is the right one or not.

Let's make sure it is or isn't before publicizing it, OK?

 

[meow]

their mission and values:
http://www.peopleunitedsacramento.net/mission_values.htm
board members:
http://www.peopleunitedsacramento.net/board.htm

 

[D-Mass]

their mission and values:
http://www.peopleunitedsacramento.net/mission_values.htm
board members:
http://www.peopleunitedsacramento.net/board.htm

I don't see anything in there that's very inflammatory. They even list one of their values as "revitalizing the urban core".

 

[BigWaxer]

Should this be merged into that Arena post about the NBA/Lawyer? I want to comment but it's gonna be duplicate

Thank you for posting the address I have been looking for it all morning WT?

 

[Warhawk]

OK, sounds like your generic language to make your group sound so warm and wonderful to belong to and still says absolutely nothing about what you do and don't support, especially as they seem to have appeared to fight any arena project. Makes me very suspicious about their real goals. Could be legit, but could also be an outlet for a special interest of some type or another. We'll just have to see.

Thanks for the links.

 

[BigWaxer]

Ya why would someone post board members? That makes no sense at all especially here.

Just reminds me, Wife called me this morning and told me to put new water in the Cats bowl.

 

[NoBonus]

I love special interest groups like "People United"; their name makes you think they reflect the views of all people, when, in fact, they are lucky if 1,000 people support them worldwide.

 

[kennadog]

Okay, I can see many areas in the mission statement that will be the basis for their anti-arena stance. Plenty. Basically with those statements you can pretty much argue for or against any kind of development except the ones your group wants.

 

[Warhawk]

Okay, I can see many areas in the mission statement that will be the basis for their anti-arena stance. Plenty. Basically with those statements you can pretty much argue for or against any kind of development except the ones your group wants.

Exactly. Like I said, so bland and generic it really means nothing, but sounds good in the process.

Maybe GP helped write them? He's the master of saying lots of things that can be interpreted any way he wants by not really saying anything at all....

 

[BigWaxer]

I think it's that way on purpose. Anyone can relate and say oh ya I feel that way its for SMF I agree.

Don't think the group is all that bad after doing some research. Would like to hear their issues first, I think the BEE mis-represented them a bit from the thread I posted in.

And trust me I am on the total opposite side of the wing from these guys. I don't like activists but in some cases they are needed to balance it all out.

General statement to draw members in I understand that. Am willing to hear their news conf today and see what their issue is.

 

[DocHolliday]

I think it's that way on purpose. Anyone can relate and say oh ya I feel that way its for SMF I agree.

Don't think the group is all that bad after doing some research. Would like to hear their issues first, I think the BEE mis-represented them a bit from the thread I posted in.

And trust me I am on the total opposite side of the wing from these guys. I don't like activists but in some cases they are needed to balance it all out.

General statement to draw members in I understand that. Am willing to hear their news conf today and see what their issue is.

I mind them for one reason and one reaosn alone they are totally and completely against the tax which would allow the new arena. Now of course the initiative has to get on the ballot first, but along with the PR campaign I'm sure the Maloofs plan on doing if it does get on the ballot, this group will be the prime opposition.

Their press conference today from what I understand will speaking out agains the tax initiative that would help build the new arena. For that, and that alone they are public enemy number one in my book.

 

[BigWaxer]

Only crazy thing Doc... I am against taxes but on the other side of the isle...However after a lot of research and review I also realize this is the best thing for Sacramento and most importantly ME.

I only care about me. Sue me but as much as I am 100% against taxes this IMO is something that has to be done.

 

[ShatteredVision]

Think we'll see any commercials about the new arena and convincing arguments to vote for it?

 

[BigWaxer]

Oh ya Shattered, IF it goes through and thats a big IF... We will see some nice fireworks just from a political view on it.

 

[ShatteredVision]

Would the Governator get involved you think?

 

[DocHolliday]

Well anyone who is just thinking about me, and doesn't think about the greater good may not see the good in this. The only reason you do is because you're also a Kings fan. This tax isn't just for me it's for the whole region. I like this region and want to continue living here, so I want to continue to see it grow and bring new things for me and everyone else to do.

The new arena could make that whole railyard development the place to be. With hot shops, restaurants etc. Also, one of the things that makes this area great to me is the Kings. We don't get that arena, and the value of this area to me drops immensly.

You only care about you?? Ok how about this. How about that new arena which will bring more entertainment to the area, as well as keep the kings, which help bring a lot of new interesting things to that area of downtown, will help raise the value of your property if you own any.

If all that and more isn't worth 25 cents for every 100 dollars than well there is not getting through to a person like that. That's how I would sell it.

 

[DocHolliday]

Would the Governator get involved you think?

If he was behind the initiative, and wanted to support it the Maloofs could use him in their ad campaigns, but then again there are a lot of people that don't like Arnie, so that may not be a good idea lol.

 

[BigWaxer]

DOC.

I am strongly against taxes period, I have spoken on this issue at length and have been very against it... I have gotten into some heated debates privately with some people I consider to be some really good friends here. Lets mention that probably hurt my relationship with them but still an opinion I felt pretty strong about.

I don't think I should be your target, I actually changed my view to more of a yes because of me. The kings are 7 months of my entertainment and 12 months of my thoughts. I cried when cwebb was traded. Trust me I live and die for this team and I won't be a fan if they happen to leave. Lets not talk about that. And I don't think I have to go there. Lets not even test my fan loyalty that is not needed.

I take into consideration the benefits of downtown and economic benefits but in the end it's always going to be about my family and me first. I vote what affects me. No matter how that sounds it is about me in my life. Read on to see my point...

I don't live in SMF, however I work there and I figure it will cost me personally about 30 bucks a year maybe a tad more. I would sound like a complete fool to oppose this, and thats on personal anti-tax views. Think about it how can anyone complain (that lives in Sac) about spending 100 bucks a year that loves the Kings? Doesn't make sense and I am a common sense person. Again it is about me.

On personal reasons since I am for it, I am not the one to argue this with. I am one of the few that have changed sides completely, go look at my posts a month ago. Sure I have a tendency to flop on everything but this one just makes sense to me. I am a very politically charged person, This would, if I was able to vote in Sacramento be the first tax increase I would vote yes for.

I understand your frustration, I am on the same page but I always have an open mind on things... always. There is no principle to be had or made here IMO. You have two choices. Yes or No ... NO equals Kings going elsewhere. As a sports fan / Kings fan that cannot happen in Waxer world.

I totally understand the comments and frustration, I am on your side man, any yes vote is one that you need to work together with.

 

[DocHolliday]

DOC.

I am strongly against taxes period, I have spoken on this issue at length and have been very against it... I have gotten into some heated debates privately with some people I consider to be some really good friends here. Lets mention that probably hurt my relationship with them but still an opinion I felt pretty strong about.

I don't think I should be your target, I actually changed my view to more of a yes because of me. The kings are 7 months of my entertainment and 12 months of my thoughts. I cried when cwebb was traded. Trust me I live and die for this team and I won't be a fan if they happen to leave. Lets not talk about that.

I take into consideration the benefits of downtown and economic benefits but in the end it's always going to be about my family and me first. Lets be honest who doesn't vote that way. No matter how that sounds it is about me in my life. Read on to see my point...

I don't live in SMF, however I work there and I figure it will cost me personally about 30 bucks a year maybe a tad more. I would sound like a complete fool to oppose this, and thats on personal anti-tax views. Think about it how can anyone complain (that lives in Sac) about spending 100 bucks a year that loves the Kings? Doesn't make sense and I am a common sense person. Again it is about me.

On personal reasons since I am for it, I am not the one to argue this with. I am one of the few that have changed sides completely, go look at my posts a month ago. Sure I have a tendency to flop on everything but this one just makes sense to me. I am a very politically charged person, This would, if I was able to vote in Sacramento be the first tax increase I would vote yes for.

I understand your frustration, I am on the same page but I always have an open mind on things... always. There is no principle to be had or made here IMO. You have two choices. Yes or No ... NO equals Kings going elsewhere. As a sports fan / Kings fan that cannot happen in Waxer world.

I totally understand the comments and frustration, I am on your side man, any yes vote is one that you need to work together with.

Oh I knkow you're on our side. I was neccessarily targetting you. Just saying how I would sell it to someone with your original stance. I'm just saying for all the good this could do 25 cents out of every 100 dollars is MORE than worth it to me. I don't like throwing money away, but I don't mind spending it if it's going to accomplish something good. This is something good. If I want this team to stay, and if I want this city to grow, it's time to pony up for it.

 

[BigWaxer]

Cool DOC was wondering there..

OH and I am a freak
"I am on the same page but I always have an open mind on things... always." nice quote that anyone that opposes it could tear me up on and I am expecting it.

Still I have changed, was actually waiting for a chance to say it and this was an opening.

Like I said I work in SAC, would not like to pay that extra tax and an honest view at it... it doesn't amount to much, and I am hurting now that I am working (ya not good, but love my job now). Still the tax, honestly if nobody said anything about it.. nobody would notice it.

Looking from the outside in, I see a lot or many more economic benefits/ That will be the key in educating people.

 

[kennadog]

http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/story/14279219p-15087911c.html

As arena negotiators continue to work on a last-minute deal to build a new Sacramento Kings arena, an unusual political alliance opposing the effort has emerged.

The conservative Sacramento County Taxpayers League and the liberal People United for a Better Sacramento held a press conference outside the county administration building Tuesday morning to call for a halt in arena talks.

Dave Tamayo, president of People United, denounced closed door arena negotiations seeking a deal to help for a sports facility with a countywide quarter-cent sales tax.

"There are many other priorities that need to be met, like schools, levees and violent crime," Tamayo said. He added that politicians involved in the talks needed "to take a step back and think about (the community's) real priorities.

Joe Sullivan, executive director of the Taxpayers League, has said his organization does not oppose the concept of an arena, even one funded with public money. However, Sullivan said his group is "vehemently opposed" to a plan by city and county officials to place the quarter-cent issue on the November ballot as a general tax.

By calling it a general tax, state law requires only a simple majority of votes for passage. If the tax is considered a specific tax, it would require the much more difficult to achieve two-thirds vote.

"Our legal staff will be watching this very closely," Sullivan said.

Arena negotiators said they must have a deal done this week if they are to meet deadlines necessary to put the quarter-cent sales tax question on the November ballot. Members of the negotiating team said that as of Tuesday morning, no resolution had been reached.

 

[BigWaxer]

You trying to get me mad Kenna by posting that?

And that covers both sides... Kinda crazy

 

[VF21]

If I hear the "other priorities need to be met, like schools, levees and violent crime" saw one more time, I'm going to go out and be phsyically abusive to a tree...

And I suspect there may be several trees emotionally scarred for life after I'm done.

Seriously? I cannot understand the tunnel vision of some people. Of course there are issues like schools, levees and violent crime that need to be addressed. But why is it people like Tamayo seem to feel they have to be exclusively addressed? Life is about much more than what his pretty narrow view would have you believe.

I especially like his comment that the politicians need to take a step back and think about the communty's real priorities. That, in and of itself, is the ultimate case of the pot calling the kettle black IMHO.

 

[VF21]

You trying to get me mad Kenna by posting that?

Erm, I'm pretty sure that wasn't her intention.

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Sorry, Waxer, but there is room in the universe for talks of schools, of levees, of crime prevention, etc. without the need to make it sound as though anyone who would DARE not to put those items first in every single project is simply not seeing the big picture.

Life is complex. Life in a growing, thriving community like Sacramento is very complex. I refuse to buy into Tamayo's kind of panic-driven rhetoric that tries to alarm the populace.

The guy in the article is as much as saying if people dare to think about community improvement, quality of life, pursuing simple pleasures, etc. then they're going to destroy the future of our children, allow downtown Sacramento to flood into nothingness and if that doesn't happen, we'll all be murdered in our sleep anyway.

You live in an area that has serious flood issues. Do you expect every single project that either the Sutter or Yuba county boards of supervisors to address to thing about flood protection first? Of course not.

You can build an entertainment venue for the enrichment of many lives and still talk about levees. Especially since that is handled by different funding, etc.

Sorry, I respect you and your opinion but Dave Tamayo doesn't impress me at all.

 

[DocHolliday]

By the way as I understand it the tax would be addressing some other city and county needs besides the arena. I can't list them specifically to you right now, but I know they were said before.