I cant believe what I am reading of you kings fans who want to trade Shareef? Why? He was easily at least our second or third best player last year and he is our 20 and 10 guy he is a walking double double. I would not trade Shareef IMO. KT yes but Shareef no way, well unless we got an all star player in return I.E. Garnett, but I would not trade Shareef.
Trade Shareef??
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I'm not saying I'm on the Trade Shareef bandwagon, but for a 20 and 10 guy who is supposed to be a walking double double to put up these stats:
12.3ppg, 5.0rpg on the season
16.0ppg, 6.2rpg as a starter
3 double doubles in 72 games
It pretty much disqualifies him from being near that 'untouchable' level.
12.3ppg, 5.0rpg on the season
16.0ppg, 6.2rpg as a starter
3 double doubles in 72 games
It pretty much disqualifies him from being near that 'untouchable' level.
I think the general consensus on Shareef is that he's good for instant offense and he's a surprisingly effective one on one defender, and everyone appreciates his toughness. However, he was a very poor rebounder this past season and he seems to kind of coast sometimes and doesn't assert himself. So while I think people appreciate having him on the team he's by no means indispensible.
Trade Shareef? Sure.
Dump Shareef? No.
There is a difference. Trade Shareef means use him as a chip to get things this team needs, in particular someone to do the thigns he cannot -- block shots and rebound. Dump Shareef means he sucks + hurts the team so let's just get rid of him.
Shareef averaged 12.3pts 5.0rebs last year. When a thirty year old vet on your team averages those kinds of numbers, and ends up coming off the bench behind not-exactly-an-All-Star Kenny Thomas for the second half of the year, he's always in the tradeable class. Has his uses. Was effective enough off the bench that I would not mind seeing how he could work out as a 6th man next season. But a long way from untouchable.
Dump Shareef? No.
There is a difference. Trade Shareef means use him as a chip to get things this team needs, in particular someone to do the thigns he cannot -- block shots and rebound. Dump Shareef means he sucks + hurts the team so let's just get rid of him.
Shareef averaged 12.3pts 5.0rebs last year. When a thirty year old vet on your team averages those kinds of numbers, and ends up coming off the bench behind not-exactly-an-All-Star Kenny Thomas for the second half of the year, he's always in the tradeable class. Has his uses. Was effective enough off the bench that I would not mind seeing how he could work out as a 6th man next season. But a long way from untouchable.
Trading Reef becomes almost a necisity if the Kings want a new big man. Who will wnat Kenny and his oversized contract? While someteams may be interested in Brad again the size of his contract makes it tough to trade him, not to mention the dificulty of getting a BETTER Center for him. That leaves Reef and the most likely chip.
And that is the truth of it^. Kennys contract is aaaawful(almost as bad as Corlisses). Reefs contract is great and prob one of the reasons I'd give him another shot to prove himself after a year when at times he was basically pathetic. I have never seen a guy that size so unable to grab a rebound, when we really needed them, and when you consider how many years I've been watching Peja thats pretty bad. However Reef is still a decent value and like Nbrans said is a good one on one defender and can definately score when he gets it going. I just don't think K9 is going anywhere no matter how bad we all (including management) want him traded...
There's plenty of other players on the team I rather trade than SAR, but b/c of his great contract, has probably more trade value than most players on the team. Other than KMartin and Artest, SAR is probably the most coveted player on the team b/c of his production to salary ratio. All things being equal, I rather keep SAR and trade K9. But if the Bucks offer up Magloire, I'd be more than happy to ship SAR to Milwaukee.
Don't know if K9 is unmovable, there's plenty of contracts out there that are much worse that we can trade for. But as far as getting something of value , Petrie would seriously have to work his magic. But stranger things have happened tho. btw, I won't say Corliss' contract is the worse than K9's, in fact plenty of teams want expiring deals. Combining K9 and Corlis might actually net us a big man like Ratlif or Adonal Foyle. Neither of which are great players, but both can back-up the center position.
Don't know if K9 is unmovable, there's plenty of contracts out there that are much worse that we can trade for. But as far as getting something of value , Petrie would seriously have to work his magic. But stranger things have happened tho. btw, I won't say Corliss' contract is the worse than K9's, in fact plenty of teams want expiring deals. Combining K9 and Corlis might actually net us a big man like Ratlif or Adonal Foyle. Neither of which are great players, but both can back-up the center position.
I think SAR has the most certainity in our 4/5 FC group because of his post-game, willing to come off the bench, and his lack of ego. Pota/Brad/KT all have varying uncertainity.
I fully expect 3/4 or 2/4 of that group to be gone, and SAR would be the last guy I'd think to be gone unless in a deal for quality player.
I fully expect 3/4 or 2/4 of that group to be gone, and SAR would be the last guy I'd think to be gone unless in a deal for quality player.
Kenny's contract is HUGE and moving him might be more difficult. I also agree that Corliss has a pretty big deal as well but the beauty of that is that he is an expiring contract and we can always use him in a trade where team is willing to trade a player to "dump" salary. Warriors got Baron Davis for practically a bunch of expiring contracts. Who knows, maybe we could pull off a similar deal.
Okay? You want to trade Shareef because no one wants Thomas?
That's where Petrie has to EARN his big bucks. Kenny Thomas isn't going to get better, he's not going to get cheaper and he's certainly not going to get taller. He simply does not fit our current needs. If Petrie is half the genius we all like to think he is, he knows this already and he's figuring out ways to deal with it. You don't solve the KT problem by pretending it doesn't exist.
That's where Petrie has to EARN his big bucks. Kenny Thomas isn't going to get better, he's not going to get cheaper and he's certainly not going to get taller. He simply does not fit our current needs. If Petrie is half the genius we all like to think he is, he knows this already and he's figuring out ways to deal with it. You don't solve the KT problem by pretending it doesn't exist.
The biggest problem I have with Shareef was his complete stubborness to come back from a broken jaw before he was ready...that was just pure stupidity.
Hopefully next season, assuming we don't move him as part of a blockbuster deal, he will play like he did pre-injury.
And another reason getting rid of Adelman was the right move....a more strong willed coach would have sat him down and said get healthy Shareef we need you at full strength in April, not in January.
My second problem with Shareef is he is a fundamentally flawed player who will never be part of a core that goes deep into the playoffs....he doesn't value the ball enough...and does not mix very well with teammates because he is a bit of a black hole in the post....
His defense is decent...nothing special, really. Certainly, don't count on much help defense, if any, or timely boards, if any, from SAR.
Add it all up and what do you get? One playoff appearance in 10 years, and a first round dismisal in 6 games.
Hopefully next season, assuming we don't move him as part of a blockbuster deal, he will play like he did pre-injury.
And another reason getting rid of Adelman was the right move....a more strong willed coach would have sat him down and said get healthy Shareef we need you at full strength in April, not in January.
My second problem with Shareef is he is a fundamentally flawed player who will never be part of a core that goes deep into the playoffs....he doesn't value the ball enough...and does not mix very well with teammates because he is a bit of a black hole in the post....
His defense is decent...nothing special, really. Certainly, don't count on much help defense, if any, or timely boards, if any, from SAR.
Add it all up and what do you get? One playoff appearance in 10 years, and a first round dismisal in 6 games.
Thomas and Rahim both leave a LOT to be desired in terms of a starting PF, so I'm not sure that one is higher up on the "must keep" list than the other.
One needs to go, the one that stays will likely be a back up. Obviously, Rahim would probably be more ameanable to that role, but that's not guaranteed. Attitude could be an issue with whomever stays. From a talent point of view, either can get the job done, but neither will knock your socks off.
Lobbying for one to stay over the other seems silly to me. We need an upgrade at that position no matter what. Whichever piece(s) need to be moved to get that upgrade won't leave me crying in my beer.
One needs to go, the one that stays will likely be a back up. Obviously, Rahim would probably be more ameanable to that role, but that's not guaranteed. Attitude could be an issue with whomever stays. From a talent point of view, either can get the job done, but neither will knock your socks off.
Lobbying for one to stay over the other seems silly to me. We need an upgrade at that position no matter what. Whichever piece(s) need to be moved to get that upgrade won't leave me crying in my beer.
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Okay? You want to trade Shareef because no one wants Thomas?
That's where Petrie has to EARN his big bucks. Kenny Thomas isn't going to get better, he's not going to get cheaper and he's certainly not going to get taller. He simply does not fit our current needs. If Petrie is half the genius we all like to think he is, he knows this already and he's figuring out ways to deal with it. You don't solve the KT problem by pretending it doesn't exist.
That's where Petrie has to EARN his big bucks. Kenny Thomas isn't going to get better, he's not going to get cheaper and he's certainly not going to get taller. He simply does not fit our current needs. If Petrie is half the genius we all like to think he is, he knows this already and he's figuring out ways to deal with it. You don't solve the KT problem by pretending it doesn't exist.
brad is slow, unathletic and a bad defender... but he is still better than 95% of the centers that we could trade for with thomas.... unless one of those teams would take corliss or vitaly as well... but whe would we want to paye that much for a back up?
are all of you hoping that petrie trades brad and kenny for starting and back up centers?
I'm grasping at straws. I'm seriously still trying to believe that there is a way for us to rid ourselves of KT's albatross contract. I'm not convinced by any stretch of the imagination that Brad is going anywhere.
I just would hate to see us keep KT at the expense of a player like SAR whose whole attitude this past year was exemplary.
Like I said, that's why Petrie makes millions of dollars a year. I'm hoping he can earn them by finding a way to do the undoable.
I just would hate to see us keep KT at the expense of a player like SAR whose whole attitude this past year was exemplary.
Like I said, that's why Petrie makes millions of dollars a year. I'm hoping he can earn them by finding a way to do the undoable.
How was him coming back early from his injury stupid? We are talking about his jaw, not anything that he could reinjure or worsen by coming back early. The guy had his mouth wired shut and could barely breathe or talk and yet he was busting his butt helping out the team. We had no bench and SAR was valiant to come back early and support the team. At that point in time it wasn't even known if we were going to play in January, so why should Adelman tell SAR to rest up for the playoffs when the Kings were struggling to stay afloat?
Add in the fact that he plays hard and keeps his mouth shut whether he's getting his minutes or not (something that KT and Bonzi have been less than stellar about by the way), and you get a solid role player at the PF position. He also averaged more assists per game than our starting SG, he's not black hole.
As a starter SAR averaged 16 points, 6 boards, 3 assists, and .9 blocks. He also shot 54% from the field.
When Bonzi started he got 15 points, 8 boards, and 3 assists. He shot 47% from the field.
Yet some people want to bag SAR when he has a good contract, and sign Bonzi to a fat overpaid deal even when we have two young capable players waiting in the wings. Trade SAR? No thanks..if we wanna upgrade the team Geoff should try his best to trade Bonzi. Get rid of KT too but we won't get much for him.
Add in the fact that he plays hard and keeps his mouth shut whether he's getting his minutes or not (something that KT and Bonzi have been less than stellar about by the way), and you get a solid role player at the PF position. He also averaged more assists per game than our starting SG, he's not black hole.
As a starter SAR averaged 16 points, 6 boards, 3 assists, and .9 blocks. He also shot 54% from the field.
When Bonzi started he got 15 points, 8 boards, and 3 assists. He shot 47% from the field.
Yet some people want to bag SAR when he has a good contract, and sign Bonzi to a fat overpaid deal even when we have two young capable players waiting in the wings. Trade SAR? No thanks..if we wanna upgrade the team Geoff should try his best to trade Bonzi. Get rid of KT too but we won't get much for him.
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I'm grasping at straws. I'm seriously still trying to believe that there is a way for us to rid ourselves of KT's albatross contract. I'm not convinced by any stretch of the imagination that Brad is going anywhere.
I just would hate to see us keep KT at the expense of a player like SAR whose whole attitude this past year was exemplary.
Like I said, that's why Petrie makes millions of dollars a year. I'm hoping he can earn them by finding a way to do the undoable.
I just would hate to see us keep KT at the expense of a player like SAR whose whole attitude this past year was exemplary.
Like I said, that's why Petrie makes millions of dollars a year. I'm hoping he can earn them by finding a way to do the undoable.
WHY do people have to find a way to bag one player in order to justify another? This isn't about Bonzi vs. SAR. It's about SAR, KT and the power forward position.
As far as Bonzi goes, his prior history notwithstanding, he had a clean slate when he walked into Arco as far as I'm concerned, and he's done NOTHING wrong while in the uniform of the Sacramento Kings. If the Maloofs want to keep him and are willing to open their checkbooks to do it, more power to them.
As far as Bonzi goes, his prior history notwithstanding, he had a clean slate when he walked into Arco as far as I'm concerned, and he's done NOTHING wrong while in the uniform of the Sacramento Kings. If the Maloofs want to keep him and are willing to open their checkbooks to do it, more power to them.
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