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Um, you do realize Bonzi/Musselman have a good relationship going back before their time in Memphis? Muss said it himself in the press conference. Also, there was no evidence of Muss being involved with Fratello/Bonzi problems, which was undeserved garbage over minutes. Plus, the Grizzlies PA announcer recently said in an interview that Muss and Bonzi were fine. One more thing, B-Jax just lately said to KHTK, that he had similar problems with Fratello over utilization. With Bobby saying he isn't coming back to Memphis, he understood what Bonzi went through, and that he liked Musselman.
If you said you were kidding, I wouldn't of responded.
Far as Bonzi to Detroit/Indy goes, captain bill has it spot on. Indy and Detroit could only give the MLE, and he'd come off the bench in Detroit.
If you said you were kidding, I wouldn't of responded.
Far as Bonzi to Detroit/Indy goes, captain bill has it spot on. Indy and Detroit could only give the MLE, and he'd come off the bench in Detroit.
I hope we can find a taker for Bonzi in a S&T..we have younger 2 guards that need to develop. Bonzi behaved himself in a contract year. Congrats to Bonzi, but I really hope we don't overpay a guy because he had a decent season followed by a really good 6-game postseason. 2-guard is our deepest position, I'd like to see us trade him and improve in other areas. I know Petrie can pull something off and Bonzi will agree to it if it means more money.
Wrong... Bonzi has said REPEATEDLY that it's not just about money. I simply do not understand the rationalization of "contract year" in this case. Bonzi has been a good performer throughout his career when he's had decent playing time. Why on earth would we trade him at this point? Are you really assuming he'll tank and his trade value will decline in the next year or so, should Petrie decide to move him?
Kevin Martin and Francisco Garcia can develop without us losing a key player. And yes, Bonzi is a key. You don't get rid of warriors.
Kevin Martin and Francisco Garcia can develop without us losing a key player. And yes, Bonzi is a key. You don't get rid of warriors.
Agreed.
Bonzi has repeatedly said he would like to stay unless the owners don't want him. The owners say they want him. The coach says he wants Bonzi. Do the math.
He and Artest were quite a pair once healthy. You think he wants to give up on a place like Sac with 17,000 fans chanting his name? He loves that and he played hard all season.
I want him back with the Kings for at least another year. He can always be traded later, if need be.
Bonzi has repeatedly said he would like to stay unless the owners don't want him. The owners say they want him. The coach says he wants Bonzi. Do the math.
He and Artest were quite a pair once healthy. You think he wants to give up on a place like Sac with 17,000 fans chanting his name? He loves that and he played hard all season.
I want him back with the Kings for at least another year. He can always be traded later, if need be.
I always have extreme reservations about athletes (especially one with a history like Bonzi's) when they say, "It's not about the money." Here's some reasons we should trade him though.
1. Stock has never been higher.
2. Younger, cheaper players (Martin, Garcia)are ready for more time. Monia might be decent with some time as well.
3. Character issues could severely damage his trade value in the future. He acted up last year and that is how we got him for an injury-riddled Bobby Jackson. Imagine trying to trade him if he acts up and if we have him signed to a fat deal. It would be nearly impossible.
4. We need frontcourt help and some bench players. Trading Bonzi could provide it.
5. Ron Artest does similar things as Bonzi and is at his best when he's down on the block. When Bonzi is down there, Ron is forced out to the perimiter. Ron's field goal percentage in a Kings uni last year was an abysmal 38%. He needs more touches in the post and less jump shots.
6. By no means is he ancient, but he is getting a little bit older. If we give him a new contract, he'll be near 35 by the time it is done.
7. We have a lot of big contracts, adding another long-term deal could really handicap us in the future.
1. Stock has never been higher.
2. Younger, cheaper players (Martin, Garcia)are ready for more time. Monia might be decent with some time as well.
3. Character issues could severely damage his trade value in the future. He acted up last year and that is how we got him for an injury-riddled Bobby Jackson. Imagine trying to trade him if he acts up and if we have him signed to a fat deal. It would be nearly impossible.
4. We need frontcourt help and some bench players. Trading Bonzi could provide it.
5. Ron Artest does similar things as Bonzi and is at his best when he's down on the block. When Bonzi is down there, Ron is forced out to the perimiter. Ron's field goal percentage in a Kings uni last year was an abysmal 38%. He needs more touches in the post and less jump shots.
6. By no means is he ancient, but he is getting a little bit older. If we give him a new contract, he'll be near 35 by the time it is done.
7. We have a lot of big contracts, adding another long-term deal could really handicap us in the future.
i agree that hoopsworld is very suspect. i would hate to see bonzi leave unless we make some pretty big moves. as it stands he is one of the tough/clutch players we have on this team. i love his hustle but would be willing to part ways for something special in return. i would hate to see us lose him for nothing.
1. So any time a player has high stock you'd trade him?
2. You're getting rid of Bonzi so MONIA can have more time?
3. That's just buying into a lot of old history. Webber was a problem before he came here. He had problems in Memphis that could easily be laid at the feet of Mike Fratello - and not Bonzi. Sorry, but you don't trade someone because you're afraid they might resort to "prior bad acts" especially considering what they've done since.
4. Okay.
5. Bonzi has to go so Ron will quit shooting jump shots?
6. EVERYONE is getting older, every single day...until they cease getting older. All things considered, getting older is better than the alternative.
7. That should only matter if you think he's going to get a max deal, which he won't. You let Petrie and the Maloofs decide how much to give him for how long. You don't send Bonzi away because Kenny Thomas' contract lasts until the next decade. You get rid of Kenny Thomas, which would be a lot better anyway.
2. You're getting rid of Bonzi so MONIA can have more time?
3. That's just buying into a lot of old history. Webber was a problem before he came here. He had problems in Memphis that could easily be laid at the feet of Mike Fratello - and not Bonzi. Sorry, but you don't trade someone because you're afraid they might resort to "prior bad acts" especially considering what they've done since.
4. Okay.
5. Bonzi has to go so Ron will quit shooting jump shots?
6. EVERYONE is getting older, every single day...until they cease getting older. All things considered, getting older is better than the alternative.
7. That should only matter if you think he's going to get a max deal, which he won't. You let Petrie and the Maloofs decide how much to give him for how long. You don't send Bonzi away because Kenny Thomas' contract lasts until the next decade. You get rid of Kenny Thomas, which would be a lot better anyway.
I have siad it once and I will say it again, keeping Bonzi is IMPARITIVE IF the Kings keep Brad. Bonzi really does complement Brads paly perfectly. Now if the plan is to trade Brad, as most posters on this board would like to see, then keeping Bonzi may still be a good idea but the price I'd be willing to pay would drop wuite a bit. Truth of the matter is the ONLY spot the Kings are well stocked at is at the 2 AND as other posters have noted his trade value is high.
1. Well you said we could sign him and trade him later if we wanted. That's been mentioned in other posts too. Why do that though when his value is at an all-time high.
2. Never said that.
3. Bobby had a run-in with Fratello but he kept his mouth shut like a professional should. Bonzi obviously didn't handle the situation like he should have. Bonzi has had numerous mishaps in the past. I could name several of them but the list would be too long. I will give him credit for behaving in his contract year though.
4. We agree on this one!
5. I was just saying how they both are at their best when they are posting up. There's only one ball and Bonzi and Ron can't post up at the same time. I didn't mean that Bonzi has to go because of this, but rather it is a factor.
6. Yes everyone is getting older. But in basketball there's a difference between getting older in your 30's as opposed to your 20's. You have to at least consider age somewhat when deciding to sign players.
7. That is a pretty good point there. Can I take that one back?
We both have pretty strong opinions about what to do with him and I don't think either of us will change our minds, were just gonna have to agree to disagree!
2. Never said that.
3. Bobby had a run-in with Fratello but he kept his mouth shut like a professional should. Bonzi obviously didn't handle the situation like he should have. Bonzi has had numerous mishaps in the past. I could name several of them but the list would be too long. I will give him credit for behaving in his contract year though.
4. We agree on this one!
5. I was just saying how they both are at their best when they are posting up. There's only one ball and Bonzi and Ron can't post up at the same time. I didn't mean that Bonzi has to go because of this, but rather it is a factor.
6. Yes everyone is getting older. But in basketball there's a difference between getting older in your 30's as opposed to your 20's. You have to at least consider age somewhat when deciding to sign players.
7. That is a pretty good point there. Can I take that one back?
We both have pretty strong opinions about what to do with him and I don't think either of us will change our minds, were just gonna have to agree to disagree!
It is without a doubt a risk to sign Bonzi after his excellent performance in a contract year. If you don't realize that you don't follow sports. The best year of his career prior to this one? 01-02, his last contract year, which precipitated a 3-year decline before he rebounded last year. I like Bonzi (always have really), and will be pleased if we resign him, but you do need to at least explore the option of a S&T if its there.
VF21 hit the nail right on the head. I go based on what the player says...and not what some "informed source" says! Remember that "informed sources" also said the Kings were gonna hire Whisenant as the coach a couple weeks ago...and we all know how truthful that was!
If Bonzi really wants to stay..he'll stay. He says he wants to stay..so I believe he's gonna stay!
However, I hope hoopsworld is right about the BJax thing because having him back for a couple of years to finish his career would be nice!
If Bonzi really wants to stay..he'll stay. He says he wants to stay..so I believe he's gonna stay!
However, I hope hoopsworld is right about the BJax thing because having him back for a couple of years to finish his career would be nice!
well...if they don't resign him and are unable to sign and trade him, they're gonna be lookin' at a whole lotta backlash straight in the face. losin' two solid shooting guards (and i don't care what anyone says about mobley...he's a good SG) within two offseasons while getting nothing in return is downright foolish, and it makes GP look much more inept than he is. if the kings are unable to find a suitable sign and trade scenario featuring wells in the offseason, and they are decided on martin starting, then they must make an effort to resign wells anyway, if just to trade him mid-season. losing him for nothing would be a disaster.
What if Mobley and Wells were brought here to raise K-23?...Then they did a good job.
I totally agree with you about S&Ting Bonzi but I wouldn't mind keeping him either. Artest, Bonzi and K-23 covering the 2 and 3 positions is the perfect balance between offense and defense.
Garcia's stock might be or become high enough to have some decent value in a trade.
I totally agree with you about S&Ting Bonzi but I wouldn't mind keeping him either. Artest, Bonzi and K-23 covering the 2 and 3 positions is the perfect balance between offense and defense.
Garcia's stock might be or become high enough to have some decent value in a trade.
i'm in favor of re-signing wells. i want the kings to keep him. lock him up, baby! i just don't understand the mentality that says the kings are just gonna let him walk if they can't sign and trade him. makes no sense to let depth just walk out the door without getting anything in return. i believe the kings will re-sign him, even if it means trading him mid-season because they're adamant about martin starting, which i'm not entirely sure of anyways. the maloofs want the team to get tougher. martin is tough-as-nails, but his build doesn't scream "tough guy." bonzi wells is pretty much the toughest cat around at the off-guard position. he's the mold of guy they want: tough, post scorer, non-jump shooter, non-softie. they'll make a fair play to re-sign him. i guarantee it.
Your "source" also speculated that Whisenant was going to be the next coach.
What happened to the need for depth at every position. If you let Bonzi walk and move KMart into the starting lineup, you're losing a lot of possible depth at the 2/3 position. You force Cisco to play both the backup 2/3, and move the unproven Monia to play a serious backup spot off the bench when he's berly got any experience under his belt.
If you keep Wells, Cisco can be a solid contributor as the backup 3 for Artest, and we don't lose that much defensive intensity at that position when Artest is off the floor. Martin can stay as backup SG and Wells can even move down to the 3 if need be.
Dallas is where they are because of their depth and versatility. San Antonio beat the Kings for the same reason. They are able to compete with everyone because they are able to throw a variety of different guys out there and make adjustments on offense and defense a lot easier. Martin and Garcia coming off the bench bring in a whole knew attitude to the game. Ron and Bonzi are the blue collar workers on D and around the basket that grind it out in the half-court, while Garcia and MArtin can change the flow of the game on both offense and D getting in passing lanes, blocking shots, getting out in transition, finishing strong, and hitting open outside shots, etc. Unless you have a Shaq-like figure on your team, depth is the key to your success, and that kind of depth and versatility would propel the Kings to 50 wins at least this season in my opinion. But losing a major cog like Bonzi in that potentially well-oiled machine would be devastating.
What happened to the need for depth at every position. If you let Bonzi walk and move KMart into the starting lineup, you're losing a lot of possible depth at the 2/3 position. You force Cisco to play both the backup 2/3, and move the unproven Monia to play a serious backup spot off the bench when he's berly got any experience under his belt.
If you keep Wells, Cisco can be a solid contributor as the backup 3 for Artest, and we don't lose that much defensive intensity at that position when Artest is off the floor. Martin can stay as backup SG and Wells can even move down to the 3 if need be.
Dallas is where they are because of their depth and versatility. San Antonio beat the Kings for the same reason. They are able to compete with everyone because they are able to throw a variety of different guys out there and make adjustments on offense and defense a lot easier. Martin and Garcia coming off the bench bring in a whole knew attitude to the game. Ron and Bonzi are the blue collar workers on D and around the basket that grind it out in the half-court, while Garcia and MArtin can change the flow of the game on both offense and D getting in passing lanes, blocking shots, getting out in transition, finishing strong, and hitting open outside shots, etc. Unless you have a Shaq-like figure on your team, depth is the key to your success, and that kind of depth and versatility would propel the Kings to 50 wins at least this season in my opinion. But losing a major cog like Bonzi in that potentially well-oiled machine would be devastating.
How about a 13ppg 8rpg 2spg OG who dominated the defending champion Spurs in the playoffs and is at the heart of any toughness tone we are trying to set here?
Kevin MAY be a lot of things. Then again he may not. And if you want to think like the Toronto Raptors, plan on sucking, take your time, then fine. Let's rebuild and see what he is going to be. If, however you are trying to make a championship push, then MAY is an incredible risk. And I'll tell you somehting else -- Kevin Martin alone will NEVER be better than Kevin Martin AND Bonzi Wells together.
Kevin MAY be a lot of things. Then again he may not. And if you want to think like the Toronto Raptors, plan on sucking, take your time, then fine. Let's rebuild and see what he is going to be. If, however you are trying to make a championship push, then MAY is an incredible risk. And I'll tell you somehting else -- Kevin Martin alone will NEVER be better than Kevin Martin AND Bonzi Wells together.