Kings Acquire Jake LaRavia

SacTownKid

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HndsmCelt said:
or use judiciously. This isn’t a worry, but folks need to be aware of the fact that the kings have been getting older with each trade and so our window gets more narrow unless we build a solid talent pipeline, which comes from good draft picks and a high-quality G league team. Both of which the kings have I’m happy to report
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And by the midpoint next season the Kings can effectively enter a rebuild if need be. Making that Collins trade, Fox leaving, ooh, that would have been a disaster. Total disaster.
 
funkykingston

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SacTownKid said:
It depends on what you're looking for. Per minute Carter is the best APG player at guard behind Monk currently. And by a long shot. Carter has a positive assist/to ratio as well. 5/1.9 per 36. Keon is currently at around 2.1/1.3. Keons role has been as a tried and true 3 and D guy though and when he handles he's not really creating looks for others, he's bringing the ball up, or breaking the plane of the paint and dishing back out. Keon and he together should be just fine from the bench especially if the goal is to enter the ball into the big fella.
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Sure. I think it's likely that Keon gets the bulk of all the backup PG/SG minutes with Carter getting what's left, but four guards in total isn't a lot of depth however you look at it.
 
pdxKingsFan

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ESP47 said:
It doesn't really work like that. Good defensive teams will have lower ratings for all the players. You have to look at where he is in relation to the other players on Memphis that play similar positions. His rating is not quite as good as Pippen Jr, Aldama or Konchar but it's better than Bane, Morant and Smart.
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I think the more important distinction from Matt George's comment about Keon is Keon is ~2.5 points under the Kings rating where as LaRavia is ~1.5 points above the Grizzlies, so even if LaRavia is still slightly below Keon, that does not make LaRavia the best defender on the Kings, not even close.

But I think we will take him gladly!!!
 
sactowndog

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The_Jamal said:
I thought that ended if he got traded? So the new team has to abide by those rules?

I'm anxious about the contract because LaRavia is a legit good prospect that's having a breakout season. Got to have the ability to keep him this summer
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yeah we need him.

upside is we got a playable wing we desperately need and can keep him for 3-5 years

downside would be he gets us into the play-in only, we lose our 1st round pick, the 2nd we spent for him and him.

@Capt. Factorial want to take a shot at assigning probabilities to these scenarios
 
Vinny Basketballerino

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Insomniacal Fan said:
Sure, I'm on the next play. The next play in my mind is to get into the lottery as fast as possible.
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So what are you talking about trading away players? We've traded away almost no one (except Fox, and a Huerter which had become an albatross contract).

This has been a fantastic trade deadline even considering the corner Monte was backed into.
 
sactowndog

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TaxMan said:
I'm guessing odds are that he's not on the team next year. Either he performs really well for us and someone else picks him up for more than we are allowed to offer, or he falls flat on his face and we don't want him. Even so I guess the only thing of value is the 2nd round pick in the trade... we've blown those for far less so I guess that's OK
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well and we gave up Colby Jones whom we traded up for. Which if we keep Laravia I don’t mind. Otherwise it’s just more lighting 2nds on fire.
 
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pdxKingsFan said:
I think the more important distinction from Matt George's comment about Keon is Keon is ~2.5 points under the Kings rating where as LaRavia is ~1.5 points above the Grizzlies, so even if LaRavia is still slightly below Keon, that does not make LaRavia the best defender on the Kings, not even close.

But I think we will take him gladly!!!
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Correct. Keon's rating is up there with the big men and the big men definitely get preferential treatment when it comes to DRTG. Jake is more around average, which is fine because an average defender on another team will look like prime Tony Allen on the Kings.
 
funkykingston

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ESP47 said:
Correct. Keon's rating is up there with the big men and the big men definitely get preferential treatment when it comes to DRTG. Jake is more around average, which is fine because an average defender on another team will look like prime Tony Allen on the Kings.
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Larravia is a pretty good defender, but more than anything he's just a guy that does all the little things well. As long as he stays healthy I think this is a great trial period with the Kings. If it goes well, hopefully we're able to re-sign him.
 
Telemachus

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pdxKingsFan said:
I think the more important distinction from Matt George's comment about Keon is Keon is ~2.5 points under the Kings rating where as LaRavia is ~1.5 points above the Grizzlies, so even if LaRavia is still slightly below Keon, that does not make LaRavia the best defender on the Kings, not even close.

But I think we will take him gladly!!!
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Another thing to consider is that LaRavia is often coming in for Jaren Jackson. So it makes sense that the teams overall defense might be worse with him. The fact the difference is that small says he is still playing pretty good defense.
 
SacTownKid

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ESP47 said:
Correct. Keon's rating is up there with the big men and the big men definitely get preferential treatment when it comes to DRTG. Jake is more around average, which is fine because an average defender on another team will look like prime Tony Allen on the Kings.
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The other thing is you have to look at since Christie took over. The Kings have had a stretch of some really good defense, and really bad.

In the last 15 games Keon is at 117. Keegan is at 118. Being in the starting unit is starting to kill those ratings. The highest rated starter is DeMar at 113.8. Trey Lyles is at 110, Carter is at 109, and Isaac Jones is at 103. Individual DRTG is a totally flawed statistic. Team defensive rating however is a little more reliable if you look at the success of the good teams historically. This is what happens when you have certain stats that don't prove out to work when viewing things individually. The game isn't played 1 on 1. The better defensive stat are the ones that show a players effectiveness when guarding within range of a shooter and their percentages against.
 
Kingster

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I don't believe it. We traded for a chicken wing, not a basketball wing, right? Or he's Kessler Edwards in disguise. Or he's going to sit on the bench and get an occasional 5 minutes a game. Or, he will get to know Stockton up close and personal. One thing for sure: If the guy can really play, then someone's minutes is getting drastically reduced and it's not going to be Keegan, the best front court defender on the team, so maybe it's Lyles, the 2nd best front court defender on the team? So what would the net effect be? A slightly better Lyles? Or are we really going ape and believing DDR or Zach's minutes will be reduced? So many "I'll believe it when I see it" scenarios makes it perfect for this team.
 
pdxKingsFan

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midtowner said:
Total Kings fan thing to do: get a dude that fills a massive void on the roster; immediately begin to worry whether dude will stick around next year.
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We did just lose a guy who was Kings4LYFE in the worst possible way so it is a fair concern.

My only genuine one is that he plays himself into a big contract we can't match.
 
pdxKingsFan

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Insomniacal Fan said:
Yeah, I think we should be trading away our remaining vets and looking to get young and dumb and full of lottery tickets.
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I don't think the average STH has the stomach for that with ticket price increases already locked in and 1 year of playoffs in the last two decades to show for it. This team can still be competitive night to night and send paying ticket holders home happy and maybe make the 2nd round of the playoffs. Considering where we have been this has more value than going right back into the toilet. It's about restoring some shine to ownership and our FO and the city as much as anything. We can tear down with Domas and Keegan out for picks if the next two years are a disaster.
 
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