Potential Free agent/trade/sign tracker
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If the aggregated-salary trade takes them below the second apron, they are allowed to make it. It looks like they are really close because of Middleton's unlikely incentives that bump his apron number. Still, to squeeze under the second apron without sending Giannis (ha!), Lillard, or Brook they would have to make it a 5-for-3, sending out Middleton, Portis, Connaughton, Beauchamp, and AJ Johnson for Beal and two guys on a minimum deal, whichever two guys those would be. Having a third team helps here because Phoenix needs to reduce salary as well, because they are aproned.
I'm not saying this is a good idea, but it looks like there are frameworks where they can pull it off - they become a team with four stars (Giannis, Lillard, Lopez, and Beal) and literally every other player on a min deal. But it could technically happen.
I'm not saying this is a good idea, but it looks like there are frameworks where they can pull it off - they become a team with four stars (Giannis, Lillard, Lopez, and Beal) and literally every other player on a min deal. But it could technically happen.
Maybe they aren't actually out of the running, but they look to be outside of that upper crust right now regardless. Lillard, Beal, and Giannis as your big 3 is a decent shot if you're desperate. Not to mention 2 guards like that next to Giannis is a much better fit than someone like Durant. The Bucks guard position is the one spot where they are apparently trying to upgrade and it's not hard to see why. Make no bones about it though, a deal like that is two desperate teams doing business because it's their only option at that point.
At the very least, Bobby Portis was probably genetically engineered to play on a Pat Riley team and a Bam/Portis/Ware front court rotation at least gives them something to really work with for the stretch run this season. Middleton is also ridiculously clutch in the postseason so that’ll help them when Herro inevitably gets hurt/doesn’t show up in April.
that’s a no for me dawg.
They have no use for Lyles anyway he would just be salary and they already have a ton of cap space going into next year. For me it’s a first round pick and Huerter. If they want Carter I’m out. I’d rather add around the edges and then see what’s available in the offseason if that’s the case.
They have no use for Lyles anyway he would just be salary and they already have a ton of cap space going into next year. For me it’s a first round pick and Huerter. If they want Carter I’m out. I’d rather add around the edges and then see what’s available in the offseason if that’s the case.
I'm with that. We can work a FRP and Huerter and filler under the cap rules, so it's a first and Huerter and filler. No Carter, though surely they want him. No Lyles, though surely they don't care.
The bottom line is that Huerter for Cam makes us better. Cam effectively replaces Huerter in our rotation and allows us to play a little bigger all around. Huerter+Lyles for Cam is pretty iffy, because Lyles is a big enough part of our rotation that it's not clear we come out better without some other pretty decent 4/5 coming back.
We do the deal to get better, Nets do the deal to get the pick for an asset they don't really need right now. Both teams need to feel they win - by which I mean achieve their goals. If we drop Lyles, that may turn the deal into a loss for us, so why do it?
The bottom line is that Huerter for Cam makes us better. Cam effectively replaces Huerter in our rotation and allows us to play a little bigger all around. Huerter+Lyles for Cam is pretty iffy, because Lyles is a big enough part of our rotation that it's not clear we come out better without some other pretty decent 4/5 coming back.
We do the deal to get better, Nets do the deal to get the pick for an asset they don't really need right now. Both teams need to feel they win - by which I mean achieve their goals. If we drop Lyles, that may turn the deal into a loss for us, so why do it?
Yeah, I’m only including Lyles if we get back Sharpe. Non-negotiable. So for me it comes down to if we want to have a rotation of…
PG - Fox (34) / Monk (14)
SG - Monk (16) / Ellis (26) / Carter (6)
SF - DeRozan (30) / Johnson (12) / Carter (6)
PF - Murray (30) / Johnson (18)
C - Sabonis (34) / Sharpe (14)
…or a rotation of…
PG - Fox (34) / Monk (14)
SG - Monk (16) / Ellis (26) / Carter (6)
SF - DeRozan (30) / Johnson (12) / Carter (6)
PF - Murray (30) / Johnson (18)
C - Sabonis (34) / Lyles and/or Len (14)
I’d prefer the latter, but it means Vivek needs to accept the fact that we will be a luxury tax team, but I think it would be important to keep Lyles since…
PG - Fox (34) / Monk (14)
SG - Monk (16) / Ellis (26) / Carter (6)
SF - DeRozan (30) / Johnson (12) / Carter (6)
PF - Murray (30) / Johnson (18)
C - Sabonis (34) / Sharpe (14)
…or a rotation of…
PG - Fox (34) / Monk (14)
SG - Monk (16) / Ellis (26) / Carter (6)
SF - DeRozan (30) / Johnson (12) / Carter (6)
PF - Murray (30) / Johnson (18)
C - Sabonis (34) / Lyles and/or Len (14)
I’d prefer the latter, but it means Vivek needs to accept the fact that we will be a luxury tax team, but I think it would be important to keep Lyles since…
- We wouldn’t have a PF/C on our roster after this trade. DeRozan, Johnson, Murray, McDermott, & Crowder are all SF/PF and Sabonis, Sharpe, & Len are all C. Lyles gives us a “flex” we wouldn’t have if we moved him in this trade
- Lyles gives us a bit of nasty and is well liked in the locker room it seems. Might be good for morale to keep him around
- Len is a decent backup C especially when you have someone like Lyles who can swing up and take some C minutes. Is Sharpe really THAT much of an upgrade over Len? Perhaps not
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