Potential Free agent/trade/sign tracker
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Well my order of preferences as it relates to UTA trades would be as follows…
1ST PREFERENCE
Malik Monk
Kevin Huerter
Colby Jones
Picks
for
Lauri Markkanen
…that trade leaves us with…
PG - Fox / Carter
SG - Ellis
SF - Murray / DeRozan
PF - Markkanen / Lyles (resigned)
C - Sabonis
That gives us 3 stars all in their prime that fit pretty well together on paper while still having an aging “star” to be our super 6th man. Defensively, we have Ellis, Carter, and Murray to lean on as well as Fox when he decides to dial it up.
2ND PREFERENCE
Domantas Sabonis
for
Lauri Markkanen
Walker Kessler
…that trade leaves us with…
PG - Fox / Monk
SG - Ellis / Carter / Jones
SF - Murray / DeRozan
PF - Markkanen / Lyles (resigned)
C - Kessler
We don’t have the “big 3” that we do in the 1st one, but we still have 4 scorers/playmakers to lean on (Fox, Monk, DeRozan, & Markkanen) and the defense should take a considerably leap since Kessler is an excellent rim protector and can anchor our defense.
3RD PREFERENCE
De’Aaron Fox
for
John Collins
Taylor Hendricks
Cody Williams
2025 UTA 1st
…that trade leaves us with…
PG - Monk / Carter
SG - Ellis / Williams / Jones
SF - Murray / DeRozan
PF - Hendricks / Lyles (resigned)
C - Sabonis / Collins
Hendricks is a near perfect fit next to Sabonis if he lives up to his potential and Williams is a solid wing prospect with good upside. However, with Fox being shipped out, we really need to have a path to bring in another guy who can be a #1 if we want to have a chance at being a top team (I don’t see Markkanen as having that potential). The 2025 UTA 1st should be a very good pick and gives us a solid chance at drafting that type of player or flipping some of our young assets (Ellis, Carter, Williams, Murray, Hendricks, & 2025 UTA 1st) for that type of player in the future.
1ST PREFERENCE
Malik Monk
Kevin Huerter
Colby Jones
Picks
for
Lauri Markkanen
…that trade leaves us with…
PG - Fox / Carter
SG - Ellis
SF - Murray / DeRozan
PF - Markkanen / Lyles (resigned)
C - Sabonis
That gives us 3 stars all in their prime that fit pretty well together on paper while still having an aging “star” to be our super 6th man. Defensively, we have Ellis, Carter, and Murray to lean on as well as Fox when he decides to dial it up.
2ND PREFERENCE
Domantas Sabonis
for
Lauri Markkanen
Walker Kessler
…that trade leaves us with…
PG - Fox / Monk
SG - Ellis / Carter / Jones
SF - Murray / DeRozan
PF - Markkanen / Lyles (resigned)
C - Kessler
We don’t have the “big 3” that we do in the 1st one, but we still have 4 scorers/playmakers to lean on (Fox, Monk, DeRozan, & Markkanen) and the defense should take a considerably leap since Kessler is an excellent rim protector and can anchor our defense.
3RD PREFERENCE
De’Aaron Fox
for
John Collins
Taylor Hendricks
Cody Williams
2025 UTA 1st
…that trade leaves us with…
PG - Monk / Carter
SG - Ellis / Williams / Jones
SF - Murray / DeRozan
PF - Hendricks / Lyles (resigned)
C - Sabonis / Collins
Hendricks is a near perfect fit next to Sabonis if he lives up to his potential and Williams is a solid wing prospect with good upside. However, with Fox being shipped out, we really need to have a path to bring in another guy who can be a #1 if we want to have a chance at being a top team (I don’t see Markkanen as having that potential). The 2025 UTA 1st should be a very good pick and gives us a solid chance at drafting that type of player or flipping some of our young assets (Ellis, Carter, Williams, Murray, Hendricks, & 2025 UTA 1st) for that type of player in the future.
Not sure im following. Are you saying trade fox now is what you'd want to do? If so i get it, but be all in on the tank or all in on winning. The halfway game has been why we have been Kangzing it up for 16 years. If you are all in on the tank, then trade Fox, Sabonis and trade DDR. for some time so you can bring back young pieces and picks and hopefully turn it around in 2-3 years. You keep Keegs ellis and carter and see what you have there. Hopefully you can return a foundational piece in the cash returns like OKG got with SGA. But picks (like the SGA trade) are the key.
I on the other hand think if you go get a big piece like Durant, who fits the system too, you can get Fox to buy back in. I am in the camp that he will stay if he sees progress,otherwise all the smoke around trading him wouldn't have tamped down so quickly. I just dont know what that trade is, hence why i proposed the Durant route (not saying suns go for it).
Btw, trading Fox may also not be the biggest horror show we may believe. They have been competitive without him and i think with the high number of picks they would get for him (id imagine at least 3 and a young piece) they could retool with sabonis, ddr, monk, ellis, carter, keegan all on the roster and still with huerter and lyles to move.
I on the other hand think if you go get a big piece like Durant, who fits the system too, you can get Fox to buy back in. I am in the camp that he will stay if he sees progress,otherwise all the smoke around trading him wouldn't have tamped down so quickly. I just dont know what that trade is, hence why i proposed the Durant route (not saying suns go for it).
Btw, trading Fox may also not be the biggest horror show we may believe. They have been competitive without him and i think with the high number of picks they would get for him (id imagine at least 3 and a young piece) they could retool with sabonis, ddr, monk, ellis, carter, keegan all on the roster and still with huerter and lyles to move.
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I was all for Fox over Hali back in the day, but things are what they are in terms of security now. If it's between that and encumbering even more picks/youth, heck yeah I am. Especially on a player that will be 37 next season. You don't punt your future for a 1 year window. If the Kings move Fox they should pivot, not necessarily tank.
I just don't see a major trade with the Jazz as long as Ainge is the GM. Smaller deals maybe, but anything involving Fox would likely be a no-go just based on past history.
Monk isn't Fox. He's a significant step down defensively, is far more inconsistent as a shooter/scorer, and doesn't have the same ability to impose his will on defenses, especially in crunch time. That said, Malik is making half of what Fox is for the next 3 1/2 seasons and is a better playmaker, especially in the P&R.
Monk/Ellis/Carter is potentially an elite guard rotation at the 1/2. If you can get back a young talented wing and some depth and/or picks for Fox, it's worth considering. DDR could ease into a bench scorer role as soon as next season and if the Lyles we've seen lately is here to stay I'd love to see him re-signed next season. A quality backup center (I'd still love to get Timelord) and some wing depth and this team is looking pretty formidable and much more balanced than they are now.
Monk
Ellis/Carter
Murray/DeRozan
???/Lyles
Sabonis/Williams
isn't a bad way to go if Fox is looking to force his way out. Get what you can while his value is likely the highest instead of waiting until you lose most of your leverage.
Monk isn't Fox. He's a significant step down defensively, is far more inconsistent as a shooter/scorer, and doesn't have the same ability to impose his will on defenses, especially in crunch time. That said, Malik is making half of what Fox is for the next 3 1/2 seasons and is a better playmaker, especially in the P&R.
Monk/Ellis/Carter is potentially an elite guard rotation at the 1/2. If you can get back a young talented wing and some depth and/or picks for Fox, it's worth considering. DDR could ease into a bench scorer role as soon as next season and if the Lyles we've seen lately is here to stay I'd love to see him re-signed next season. A quality backup center (I'd still love to get Timelord) and some wing depth and this team is looking pretty formidable and much more balanced than they are now.
Monk
Ellis/Carter
Murray/DeRozan
???/Lyles
Sabonis/Williams
isn't a bad way to go if Fox is looking to force his way out. Get what you can while his value is likely the highest instead of waiting until you lose most of your leverage.
Yeah, it's an interesting thought. It's been really good info to look at the team the last 3 games sans Fox. They obviously don't have the same upside, but we're still playing outstanding basketball. Like could you go take the HOU package (Jabari?Reed?2-3 FRP?) and really build yourself an extended future/upside?
I think step 1 has to be getting an extended look with Fox in the Christie era. He played great the 3 games before going down to injury; just need to get building off what's happened these last few games. People being eager to deal Fox, a top 15 player and one of the best players in our franchise history, is a bit confusing to me.
I think step 1 has to be getting an extended look with Fox in the Christie era. He played great the 3 games before going down to injury; just need to get building off what's happened these last few games. People being eager to deal Fox, a top 15 player and one of the best players in our franchise history, is a bit confusing to me.
Monte said something in the Jones interview that he has often repeated: We are looking for two way guys. Last thing we want to do is solve a problem on one end and create one on the other. That’s a paraphrase but I think it’s clear any addition will be an offensive threat who can at least theoretically defend. I do not think he will be trading for a defense first guy who has questionable offense. Monte is an offensive first guy, he says as much in a lot of his interviews.
The more I see Trey return to form the less I like the Cam Johnson fit. I dunno, it might just end up being nothing this trade deadline.
The more I see Trey return to form the less I like the Cam Johnson fit. I dunno, it might just end up being nothing this trade deadline.
How about Kev straight up for either Bruce Brown or Lonzo Ball? Both can guard wings, Ball is 6’6. Lonzo is a great connector. Both can shoot enough. Raptors or Bulls get something for an expiring contract. If it really works out we can re-sign or just clean up the cap sheet for next year and give us some additional flexibility.
