Potential Free agent/trade/sign tracker
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Anyone have a clue on the durant/phoenix relationship? Ive heard rumblings that this experience is not going well.
Would there be appetite here or in PHX for a trade for Durant.
SAC gives DDR, Huerter and Carter 3FRP
SAC gets Durant
Fox/Monk/Mclaughlin/Mason Jones
Ellis/Monk/Colby Jones
Murray/DurrantMcDermott/Crowder
Durrant/Lyles/Murray/IsaacJones/Crowder/
Sabonis/Len/Lyles/Isacc Jones
Fox (35)/Monk (13)
Ellis (30)/Monk (18)
Murray (37)/ (Durrant 10)
Durrant (25)/Lyles (15)
Sabonis (32)/Len (10)/Lyles (5)
Would there be appetite here or in PHX for a trade for Durant.
SAC gives DDR, Huerter and Carter 3FRP
SAC gets Durant
Fox/Monk/Mclaughlin/Mason Jones
Ellis/Monk/Colby Jones
Murray/DurrantMcDermott/Crowder
Durrant/Lyles/Murray/IsaacJones/Crowder/
Sabonis/Len/Lyles/Isacc Jones
Fox (35)/Monk (13)
Ellis (30)/Monk (18)
Murray (37)/ (Durrant 10)
Durrant (25)/Lyles (15)
Sabonis (32)/Len (10)/Lyles (5)
I personally wouldn't trade Fox, but the speculation from Amick that the way the Brown termination was handled might push Fox further out the door, is concerning. If you are going to deal with a Fox trade, what about:
Rockets receive: Fox, Alex Len
Rockets give: Jabari Smith Jr., Reed Sheppard, Jock Londale or Steven Adams (filler), 2025 FRP (Suns), 2027 FRP (Nets)
Why for Rockets: They get Fox, the best player in the deal, and I think it immediately makes them a contender. Their top 7 would be Fox, Green, Amen, Eason, Sengun, Brooks, and Van Vleet, and would still have guys like Whitmore, Tate, and Holiday. They have to give up a lot, but given the price for Mikel Bridges, it seems like Smith, Sheppard, and two picks is fair value. Note that this could also work with Eason or Amen instead of Smith, so long as the filler was Adams, not Londale. So there is some wiggle room on the particulars
Nets receive: Huerter, Reed Sheppard, 2027 FRP (their old pick, back from Houston)
Nets give: Cam Johnson
Why: The Nets get the FRP and young player they want for Cam. Added benefit is that the FRP is their own pick back. Huerter makes the salaries work and could be flipped for assets.
Kings receive: Jabari Smith Jr., Cam Johnson, Steven Adams or Jock Londale (filler), 2025 FRP (Suns)
Kings give: Fox and Len
Why: If you are going to lose Fox, this sets you up to be competitive in the short run while also having some nice assets in the future. You would presumably convey the Hawks pick this year, but still have a 2025 pick from the trade. You would then control all future picks, and would have a nice and competitive core:
Sabonis/Adams or Londale
Smith Jr/Lyles
Keegan/Cam Johnson
Demar/Keon
Monk/Carter
The forward depth would be young and dynamic, with Keegan, Smith, and Cam offering a lot of interchanging options, and Lyles as a tough guy to get some minutes. You would have a banger behind Domas. The guards would be a fun rotation, and you would have the opportunity to groom the two spot for Keon or Carter in the future.
If you HAVE to trade Fox, it might be the best way to do it.
Rockets receive: Fox, Alex Len
Rockets give: Jabari Smith Jr., Reed Sheppard, Jock Londale or Steven Adams (filler), 2025 FRP (Suns), 2027 FRP (Nets)
Why for Rockets: They get Fox, the best player in the deal, and I think it immediately makes them a contender. Their top 7 would be Fox, Green, Amen, Eason, Sengun, Brooks, and Van Vleet, and would still have guys like Whitmore, Tate, and Holiday. They have to give up a lot, but given the price for Mikel Bridges, it seems like Smith, Sheppard, and two picks is fair value. Note that this could also work with Eason or Amen instead of Smith, so long as the filler was Adams, not Londale. So there is some wiggle room on the particulars
Nets receive: Huerter, Reed Sheppard, 2027 FRP (their old pick, back from Houston)
Nets give: Cam Johnson
Why: The Nets get the FRP and young player they want for Cam. Added benefit is that the FRP is their own pick back. Huerter makes the salaries work and could be flipped for assets.
Kings receive: Jabari Smith Jr., Cam Johnson, Steven Adams or Jock Londale (filler), 2025 FRP (Suns)
Kings give: Fox and Len
Why: If you are going to lose Fox, this sets you up to be competitive in the short run while also having some nice assets in the future. You would presumably convey the Hawks pick this year, but still have a 2025 pick from the trade. You would then control all future picks, and would have a nice and competitive core:
Sabonis/Adams or Londale
Smith Jr/Lyles
Keegan/Cam Johnson
Demar/Keon
Monk/Carter
The forward depth would be young and dynamic, with Keegan, Smith, and Cam offering a lot of interchanging options, and Lyles as a tough guy to get some minutes. You would have a banger behind Domas. The guards would be a fun rotation, and you would have the opportunity to groom the two spot for Keon or Carter in the future.
If you HAVE to trade Fox, it might be the best way to do it.
Yeah, I’d also rather keep Reed. On one hand, it’s hard to have too many wings. On the other, for what BKN allegedly wants for Cam, paying that just to have him as backup SF seems like not the best use of assets.
Edit to add: we probably don’t trade Fox until the offseason, and it’s possible, if not likely, Cam is moved before then. Overall, a good frame work though.
Edit to add: we probably don’t trade Fox until the offseason, and it’s possible, if not likely, Cam is moved before then. Overall, a good frame work though.
the only way I would take Kuz is if he was 100 percent bought in at being the primary backup 4/5. In the most recent game I watched of theirs they were having him guard Sengun. The guy is talented and would probably be an asset in a reduced role instead of a primary guy but he has shown no interest in doing that. Dallas wanted him more than PJ Washington but they pivoted because he didn’t think they could win a championship. Imagine how he feels about the Kings.
it’s certainly possible. I think a lot of it is the role. He isn’t cut out to be a top 3 guy, never has been. That’s his biggest problem, sees himself as a 1A. If he would just change his tune I believe he will help his next team whoever that is. I don’t have the stats in front of me but he is shooting really well from the corners, over 40 percent. If he took a bunch of those for his next team he could possibly be effective. We haven’t really heard many Kuzma rumors so it will be interesting to see where he ends up.
Don't forget how bad he is on the defensive end as well. He's a decent player when his offense is cooking but I think we would worse off if he takes over Lyles' minutes + more. I just don't see the need for a high volume inefficient non defensive player when we already have Fox, Sabonis and DDR taking most the shots.
I have to say, maybe it's purple-colored glasses but I don't think the return on this deal is enough for us.
Fox is a star. Maybe he doesn't get the respect he deserves in the league but he's basically a franchise guy, and there aren't too many of those around. Jabari is a nice rotation big, possible starter, but doesn't seem to be shaping up as a star (can shoot from 3 but isn't amazing, kinda concerning drop in rebounding this year). Cam is kind of the same thing, good shooter, probable starter, but not a star.
So that works out as two good rotation guys and one iffy pick for a franchise guy. That feels WAY under market value to me.
Fox is a star. Maybe he doesn't get the respect he deserves in the league but he's basically a franchise guy, and there aren't too many of those around. Jabari is a nice rotation big, possible starter, but doesn't seem to be shaping up as a star (can shoot from 3 but isn't amazing, kinda concerning drop in rebounding this year). Cam is kind of the same thing, good shooter, probable starter, but not a star.
So that works out as two good rotation guys and one iffy pick for a franchise guy. That feels WAY under market value to me.
You could as easily do it as Smith, Reed, and 2 picks, which might be better than Cam Johnson. That is maybe a better haul. But I am not sure Houston gives up more than a starter, 3 picks or young guys, and matching salaries. Getting Reed and two picks is probably the longer term play; getting Cam and one pick is the more win now play.
Yeah, I've always had a bit of a beef with other Kings fans when it comes to franchise talent. I don't know if it's some kind of small market syndrome, but so many fans are always so willing to trade away franchise talent for less than market value. Many cheered at shipping Chris Webber off for "flexible pieces" (that never yielded any kind of worthwhile follow-up deal). Many cheered at shipping Demarcus Cousins off for Buddy Hield (who is now a punchline not just amongst Kings fans, but Warriors fans, as well) and the first round draft pick that eventually turned into... drum roll... Justin Jackson. And now Kings fans are readying their pitchforks for De'Aaron Fox because he's throwing his weight around the tiniest bit by suggesting he wants to take a wait-and-see approach with the front office before signing an extension.
Fox is putting up roughly 27 pts, 6 asts, 5 rebs per game. He's as fast as they come, a remarkable finisher at the rim, a maestro at changing pace and direction, a master of the float game, a killer in fourth quarters, a tenacious on-ball defender, and an improving free throw shooter. He remains a spotty outside threat, and there are concerns around his ability to reach his highest gear as consistently as the Kings need him to, but you don't always get to draft the perfect superstar. Unfortunately, not all franchise players are created equal, and you dance with the one that brought you. Would it be great if the Kings had a Luka or Jokic or Giannis level franchise player instead of Fox? Yes, it would! That said, the teams those superstars belong to aren't tearing up the NBA right now, either, and nobody's thinking of selling low on any of them. The Timberwolves are underperforming this season, too, but nobody's about to suggest shipping Ant Edwards off for "two good rotation guys and one iffy pick for a franchise guy".
If Monte decides he wants to trade Fox, he better demand a Kings' ransom. If other GMs can wait out the rest of the league until someone gets desperate enough to ship off all of their future first rounders for a franchise player (and sometimes for much less than that!), then Monte McNair certainly can, too.
Fox is putting up roughly 27 pts, 6 asts, 5 rebs per game. He's as fast as they come, a remarkable finisher at the rim, a maestro at changing pace and direction, a master of the float game, a killer in fourth quarters, a tenacious on-ball defender, and an improving free throw shooter. He remains a spotty outside threat, and there are concerns around his ability to reach his highest gear as consistently as the Kings need him to, but you don't always get to draft the perfect superstar. Unfortunately, not all franchise players are created equal, and you dance with the one that brought you. Would it be great if the Kings had a Luka or Jokic or Giannis level franchise player instead of Fox? Yes, it would! That said, the teams those superstars belong to aren't tearing up the NBA right now, either, and nobody's thinking of selling low on any of them. The Timberwolves are underperforming this season, too, but nobody's about to suggest shipping Ant Edwards off for "two good rotation guys and one iffy pick for a franchise guy".
If Monte decides he wants to trade Fox, he better demand a Kings' ransom. If other GMs can wait out the rest of the league until someone gets desperate enough to ship off all of their future first rounders for a franchise player (and sometimes for much less than that!), then Monte McNair certainly can, too.
Still. As has been pointed out, look at what Mikal Bridges fetched:
One decent rotation player (Bojan)
Four unprotected FRPs
One top-four protected FRP
One unprotected pick swap
Fox is a better asset than Mikal, but I don't think Smith, Reed, and two picks is better than what the Nets got for Bridges. Reed hasn't exactly lit the league on fire to start and I've always been concerned about his size. We should a better haul than the Mikal haul, not a squint-and-maybe-it's-equal-if-you're-lucky haul.
One decent rotation player (Bojan)
Four unprotected FRPs
One top-four protected FRP
One unprotected pick swap
Fox is a better asset than Mikal, but I don't think Smith, Reed, and two picks is better than what the Nets got for Bridges. Reed hasn't exactly lit the league on fire to start and I've always been concerned about his size. We should a better haul than the Mikal haul, not a squint-and-maybe-it's-equal-if-you're-lucky haul.
I personally think if Monte made a gamble like that on a 36 year old Durant he's pretty much signing his own death warrant. Carter is basically a lottery pick so that's essentially 4 first round picks for someone that probably has a few years left in the NBA, and going all in on a player in Fox that could potentially bail. Nope. Not even close to worth it. Plus I really don't like that look of a Fox, Durant, Domas combo. It wouldn't be much different offensively than with Demar, just better outside shooting.
And the other problem is that unlike someone like Ellis or Carter, if Kuz isn't scoring or doing something offensively, he's not doing anything else. Again, this is a career negative in +/- player. If these FO's actually do look at advanced stats they would be missing some important ones if they assume a high value on someone like Kuzma. This season he's had a rough start but he's at a -5.3 in BPM. That's crazy. Even Poole is slightly in the +. lol.
I’d generally agree but teams like Dallas are analytics driven and they apparently wanted him over PJ Washington. I don’t think we go down that path anyway but if Monte does do it and they feel like he gives us more punch over Lyles/Kev his declining salary would put us right at the luxury tax next year if we re-signed Keon at the number proposed on this forum. It would be easy for us to just get under it. A Cam Johnson or Collins type would put us several million over.
I do think Monte is going to make a trade, I just have no idea for who
I do think Monte is going to make a trade, I just have no idea for who
Vlade blew the Cousins deal for sure but we wouldn't have Fox if we hadn't shipped him when we did. And if he hadn't made poor picks at 15 & 20, or kept the pick at 10, we would have surely had a great team in place even if we didn't wind up picking #2 overall the next season and blowing the pick. There's a bevy of all-star and near franchise talent picked between 10-23 (where OG went). It is almost enough to make me cry harder than the Bagley pick what was left on the table there.
Anyways, I agree that we had better get a Kings ransom for Fox if/when it happens.
I do think some of the young players attached to potential deals do have at least all-star potential on their own and that's before you add picks. Of course the biggest barrier to becoming an All-Star seems to be our market as Fox is surely deserving of more than his lone appearance.
Anyways, I agree that we had better get a Kings ransom for Fox if/when it happens.
I do think some of the young players attached to potential deals do have at least all-star potential on their own and that's before you add picks. Of course the biggest barrier to becoming an All-Star seems to be our market as Fox is surely deserving of more than his lone appearance.
Jabari, Reed, Cam Whitmore, and 1-2 picks for Fox is what I'd push for. I doubt the Rockets will hold this up over Whitmore... and for the Kings, Whitmore could be a future important piece as a scoring SF/SG once DDR ages.
Then maybe figure out a trade for Stewart using Huerter, Len and a pick.
G: Monk.............. Reed, Carter
G: DDR................ Ellis, (Reed)
F: Murray............. Whitmore
F: Jabari.............. Lyles
C: Sabonis........... Stewart
Then maybe figure out a trade for Stewart using Huerter, Len and a pick.
G: Monk.............. Reed, Carter
G: DDR................ Ellis, (Reed)
F: Murray............. Whitmore
F: Jabari.............. Lyles
C: Sabonis........... Stewart
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