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Solid points here, except the assertion that Fox is somehow forever doomed to endure a "midseason swoon" (unless I'm reading you wrong).
That aside, I think you are on to something in your first paragraph. Part of it is the BPA mentality wrt to drafting Jones, Mitchell and now Carter, but the other moves indicate to me that they are indeed not satisfied with their depth.
That aside, I think you are on to something in your first paragraph. Part of it is the BPA mentality wrt to drafting Jones, Mitchell and now Carter, but the other moves indicate to me that they are indeed not satisfied with their depth.
People are allowed to be wrong. It's part of being human.
Furthermore, it's easy to poke fun at old views through the benefit and gift of hindsight. However there was at least some rationale for why McNair believed what he believed about Davion back then and also some rationale for why he believes the same about Carter now. Time will tell, again, whether he is right or wrong.
These GM's are akin to a professional blackjack player on 3rd base. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they don't. The key is to be armed with the most info possible then make decisions based upon the highest percentage of success.
The very best GM's might win more than they lose to the house. But they aren't the norm.
Furthermore, it's easy to poke fun at old views through the benefit and gift of hindsight. However there was at least some rationale for why McNair believed what he believed about Davion back then and also some rationale for why he believes the same about Carter now. Time will tell, again, whether he is right or wrong.
These GM's are akin to a professional blackjack player on 3rd base. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they don't. The key is to be armed with the most info possible then make decisions based upon the highest percentage of success.
The very best GM's might win more than they lose to the house. But they aren't the norm.
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And Monte was also trying to explain having 3 actual PG's to work with that didn't really compliment one another. Guess what happened? Monte took BPA and fixed it later and landed Domas. This isn't the same scenario. Fox is your PG, Monk and Carter can run point but are legit SG's. Carter is quite a bit bigger than Davion and might actually be a legit 1-4 defender like he said.
IDK about defending 4's, but I like the optimism from McNair and Carter.
Sure, Carter might have the length and leaping ability to contest spot up shooting 4's, but defending them 101 is an entirely different thing. For instance, there are some here that believe that Domas is more a 4 than 5 because he's a tad undersized (yes, I realize his skill set doesn't fit today's standard stretch 4's) and would like to see him paired with a legit sized 5.
Does anybody really believe that Devin Carter could defend Domas? What about Karl Anthony-Towns? Or KD (when he plays there)? Or Pascal Siakam? Or Giannis? Or Zion? Or Julius Randle? Or Aaron Gordon? Or Banchero? Or JJJ?
Those are just off the top of my head.
Maybe I'm way wrong on this, as I don't profess to have seen Carter play much. But despite his long wing span and crazy athleticism, I think it's unrealistic to expect a 6-3, 200 pound guard to defend the majority of 4's in this league beyond spot shooting. But I have no problem believing he can guard a lot of 3's in the league.
Sure, Carter might have the length and leaping ability to contest spot up shooting 4's, but defending them 101 is an entirely different thing. For instance, there are some here that believe that Domas is more a 4 than 5 because he's a tad undersized (yes, I realize his skill set doesn't fit today's standard stretch 4's) and would like to see him paired with a legit sized 5.
Does anybody really believe that Devin Carter could defend Domas? What about Karl Anthony-Towns? Or KD (when he plays there)? Or Pascal Siakam? Or Giannis? Or Zion? Or Julius Randle? Or Aaron Gordon? Or Banchero? Or JJJ?
Those are just off the top of my head.
Maybe I'm way wrong on this, as I don't profess to have seen Carter play much. But despite his long wing span and crazy athleticism, I think it's unrealistic to expect a 6-3, 200 pound guard to defend the majority of 4's in this league beyond spot shooting. But I have no problem believing he can guard a lot of 3's in the league.
We'll see. Carter has innate strength and that goes a long way. It's not the length that's the issue, it's strength. We see it all the time, strong guys with a low center of gravity can make life hell for bigger players. Obviously nobody should expect him to check physically dominant bigs, but there's not really a ton of them anyway. Lets put it this way, Brown likes to switch a lot and I think his options there just became wide open.
That's basically where I was going with this. I get that he has the length and athleticism to play against larger players. I am just questioning his mere 200 pound frame and overall strength at that size.
Again, I'm not saying he can't do it. I'm just saying the odds suggest that it isn't very likely. But Draymond Green seemed to be able to buck the odds and adequately defend a lot of 4's and 5's much bigger than him, so who knows. Perhaps Carter is cut from the same cloth only in the form of a guard.
And you are right, there aren't but 10-12 of those types of difficult PF matchups. And all Carter has to do is make it difficult when he is switched onto a larger player, hopefully with not a ton of time on the shot clock to be able to take advantage of the size difference anyway.
Again, I'm not saying he can't do it. I'm just saying the odds suggest that it isn't very likely. But Draymond Green seemed to be able to buck the odds and adequately defend a lot of 4's and 5's much bigger than him, so who knows. Perhaps Carter is cut from the same cloth only in the form of a guard.
And you are right, there aren't but 10-12 of those types of difficult PF matchups. And all Carter has to do is make it difficult when he is switched onto a larger player, hopefully with not a ton of time on the shot clock to be able to take advantage of the size difference anyway.
I love this pick. I thought for sure Carter would be gone before 13 because he seems like such a sure thing in a weak draft, but I'm glad he slid.
McNair already said he'll use the rest of the off-season to try and balance the roster.
We need a second starting forward next to Keegan, some bench scoring, and an upgrade at backup center.
I definitely wouldn't mind a trade up to the top of the 2nd round to grab Filipowski.
McNair already said he'll use the rest of the off-season to try and balance the roster.
We need a second starting forward next to Keegan, some bench scoring, and an upgrade at backup center.
I definitely wouldn't mind a trade up to the top of the 2nd round to grab Filipowski.
Here’s Devin’s interview with KoC a few weeks ago. glad KoC mentioned his shooting stroke looking like Tyrese’s a little bit because yeah, I’m sorta wondering if this is the second stud player that Monte has been able to steal in the draft purely because some GMs out there galaxy brained themselves into thinking a guy’s shooting form is too ugly to work.
To be fair, I don’t even think that qualifies as passing on BPA for need because big man wasn’t even that high up on our list of needs (Skal and HGIII were there, WCS still looked okay and we didn’t know Z-Bo was totally washed, and Kings legend Kosta Koufos was our starting center) when Vlade picked who he did lol
That's why the outrage of us drafting bpa over need doesn't make any sense. Of course, Carter could bust and a wing behind him could be a major hit, but we're literally the poster franchise in all of sports about the dangers of trying to draft for fit over and over. Just passing on HoF after HoF because of it
Hi all... I'm a Providence graduate, class of 97, season ticket holder, and rabid Friar fan. I am, however, hard to please. I never loved Kris Dunn (thought he was the most overrated player in PC history), never loved Austin Croshere either (the other most recent Frair lottery pick). But Devin Carter is my all time favorite Friar. I promise you, you will never be disappointed in a single game he plays. He is the kind of guy that does everything right. He may not be an MVP, but he will be in the league 15 years and is an absolutely crucial piece to a winning franchise. Congrats. He's 110% all the time. He will absolutely be a fan favorite - everyone in Sacramento is gonna be sporting a receding hairline afro mullet by 2026
I’ll always point out Lu Dort. He was probably the player in the playoffs that had the most “success” guarding Luka who is top three hardest to guard in the league. He also “locked down” BI. Both of those guys have a ton of size on him. Carter has athleticism, motor and irrational confidence. I like his chances guarding way up.
I expected he was going to be drafted earlier. I thought even Charlotte #6 or San Antonio #8 could be options for him. I thought with Keon he wasn't our guy but I'm happy with the pick. I preferred him to Knecht and I could see him having a important role in the playoff run next season.
I have a feeling that he is going to became the real team leader in the near future. I think he is a winner.
Hope we can add today another good piece for the team. Filipowsky, Furphy, Smith, Djurisic, Freeman, McCullar, Bona, Ighodaro, Ingram, Crawford, Mogbo... There are good options still on the board. I would trade #45 and 2025 POR 2nd to move up and draft one of the 4 first mentioned for sure. I think all them are top25 talents and Filipowski top15.
I have a feeling that he is going to became the real team leader in the near future. I think he is a winner.
Hope we can add today another good piece for the team. Filipowsky, Furphy, Smith, Djurisic, Freeman, McCullar, Bona, Ighodaro, Ingram, Crawford, Mogbo... There are good options still on the board. I would trade #45 and 2025 POR 2nd to move up and draft one of the 4 first mentioned for sure. I think all them are top25 talents and Filipowski top15.
I wasn't high on Filipowski at #13, but as a 2nd rounder I think he's a steal, especially for the Kings. Can play a bit WITH Domas if needed, but his real value is as a floor spacing five in the second unit. Plus he can essentially run all the same actions as Sabonis. The third center on the roster needs to be a bigger bodied defender just to round things out, but I hope McNair makes a move for Flip.
