HB IS BACK

[captain bill]

Not a bad price but I'm wondering what the deal is here. Selling that first kind of looks a bit iffy unless there's more.

If we didn't do that trade we'd have $5mm left. The MLE this year is appx $12mm. Being able to offer $15-$17mm is a big enough jump over the MLE that it allows us to outbid all other contenders for unrestricted free agents

 

[Sac.Kings]

sure but signing Barnes and extending Sabonis could all have been done without selling your first round pick. ………

so that scenario and keeping 24 is clearly a better scenario than what we are seeing from a fans perspective.

Let’s see how free agency ends for us. It technically hasn’t even started yet. I’ll reserve full judgement for later on but not an immense fan of this move myself either.

 

[miltonap]

This move shouldn't be evaluated until we see what happens Saturday btw.

So I wouldn't doom and gloom yet.

If nothing were to happen though I would be pretty disappointed but not right to judge now

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Pretty sure we re-signed HB for almost $10m less than his cap hold which I had seen reported near $28m. Getting this down now allows us to retain him plus be a player tomorrow.

Honestly Lyles is the only other FA I think we must sign and his cap hold is insignificant to making a pitch to someone tomorrow.

Then sign Sasha on the back end and possibly extend Domas if there is room.

This is not the end of the world.

 

[The_Jamal]

sure but signing Barnes and extending Sabonis could all have been done without selling your first round pick. ………

so that scenario and keeping 24 is clearly a better scenario than what we are seeing from a fans perspective.

I don't think extending Sabonis is true. We needed cap space to do that to give him the raise.

And of course, I agree. I've said from the jump I hated trading off 24. And especially if the plan was to just run it back, why not have 24 in your pocket?

 

[SacTownKid]

sure but signing Barnes and extending Sabonis could all have been done without selling your first round pick. ………

so that scenario and keeping 24 is clearly a better scenario than what we are seeing from a fans perspective.

Absolutely because Holmes by that point was only due 1 more season after this next one. HB just signed for 3. If the plan was to have play room next summer you can't sign anyone to longer than a 1 year deal. There's more to this. Monte has to be working on a trade. Overall this is a great deal though IMO. Borderline steal. Barnes at 18 over Kuz at 20 all day.

 

[captain bill]

Pretty sure we re-signed HB for almost $10m less than his cap hold which I had seen reported near $28m. Getting this down now allows us to retain him plus be a player tomorrow.

Honestly Lyles is the only other FA I think we must sign and his cap hold is insignificant to making a pitch to someone tomorrow.

Then sign Sasha on the back end and possibly extend Domas if there is room.

This is not the end of the world.

Holding the negotiations til yesterday and inking him today smells like the Kings have their target and price tag. Very much looking forward to Saturday, feels like there's a box under the tree waiting to be opened

 

[SacTownKid]

If we didn't do that trade we'd have $5mm left. The MLE this year is appx $12mm. Being able to offer $15-$17mm is a big enough jump over the MLE that it allows us to outbid all other contenders for unrestricted free agents

That's what I'm saying but is all the Domas talk smoke then? If anything they'd be better off just re-signing everyone, not trading Holmes and having a a full MLE if they use that space to re-sign Lyles. His cap hold right now squeezes that difference out.

 

[SacTownKid]

Holding the negotiations til yesterday and inking him today smells like the Kings have their target and price tag. Very much looking forward to Saturday, feels like there's a box under the tree waiting to be opened

Yeah, has to be. I'm almost positive Barnes could have worked a sign and trade at least for more money than this. Wish it were a little more team friendly but not bad.

 

[The_Jamal]

Absolutely because Holmes by that point was only due 1 more season after this next one. HB just signed for 3. If the plan was to have play room next summer you can't sign anyone to longer than a 1 year deal. There's more to this. Monte has to be working on a trade. Overall this is a great deal though IMO. Borderline steal. Barnes at 18 over Kuz at 20 all day.

Steal? Eh, maybe. Feels more appropriate value. And as we've kind of dove in on some of the other potential options, none were just clearly better than HB overall. At certain skill-sets, sure, but not as an overall talent that we know fits our system and fits our team.

HB can look like a steal after tomorrow though if Kuz and Grant rip the contracts they want. Paying either of them over 20 is just asking for trouble.

 

[sactowndog]

Good. Underrated as all hell. Perfect #5 option on offense and after hearing the plan for Keegan the front office knows they can’t ride Barnes as a third option. Still have work to do but maximize your top 5 pick instead of burying under a bigger name.

you are going to bury Keegan playing defense because Barnes increasingly can’t do it. We needed a 3 and D forward and it’s looking increasingly like we are praying Kessler Edwards learns to shoot.

I would have much preferred to hedge my bet with Prosper but I am not a cheap ass owner that sells picks every ****ing year and makes my daughter with no basketball background G league GM.

 

[KF8]

18mil sounds about fair, so i'm ok with the deal. As fans we always project lower contracts, but that's just not realistic to get him 15mil or under.

 

[SacTownKid]

Steal? Eh, maybe. Feels more appropriate value. And as we've kind of dove in on some of the other potential options, none were just clearly better than HB overall. At certain skill-sets, sure, but not as an overall talent that we know fits our system and fits our team.

HB can look like a steal after tomorrow though if Kuz and Grant rip the contracts they want. Paying either of them over 20 is just asking for trouble.

Well, that's the thing, players even just a little better seem to be getting crazy money and more years. I still think Grant makes this team better but if he's getting 30+ then Barnes is certainly not half the player.

 

[SacTownKid]

Pretty sure we re-signed HB for almost $10m less than his cap hold which I had seen reported near $28m. Getting this down now allows us to retain him plus be a player tomorrow.

Honestly Lyles is the only other FA I think we must sign and his cap hold is insignificant to making a pitch to someone tomorrow.

Then sign Sasha on the back end and possibly extend Domas if there is room.

This is not the end of the world.

18 per right? It should start at around 16 maybe? I still don't get that being the plan AND moving Holmes. Really? You brought it back and lost a full MLE just to give Domas a raise? Really? Wow.

 

[iowamcnabb]

18 per right? It should start at around 16 maybe?

if it does 17 mil room is a lot to work with

 

[pdxKingsFan]

you are going to bury Keegan playing defense because Barnes increasingly can’t do it. We needed a 3 and D forward and it’s looking increasingly like we are praying Kessler Edwards learns to shoot.

I would have much preferred to hedge my bet with Prosper but I am not a cheap ass owner that sells picks every ****ing year and makes my daughter with no basketball background G league GM.

I don't see why we can't go after a 3&D wing with our remaining cap.

The Anjali stuff is tired, she's going to run the team some day. Get used to that and then be glad her on the job training is coming at the bottom of the org.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

18 per right? It should start at around 16 maybe? I still don't get that being the plan AND moving Holmes. Really? You brought it back and lost a full MLE just to give Domas a raise? Really? Wow.

yeah more I think about it, if we want to make a move this year, the standard raises makes most sense to retain flexibility forward. so we could have up to 20 left.

 

[NewArena]

I’m here for it. Losing talent for nothing after such a great year would be a huge mistake. His presence helped and will continue to help us + i still believe Monte will make upgrades in some of the areas in need. It’s a long off-season, folks!

 

[twslam07]

So assuming…

• Barnes’ deal has 8% increases
• We waive Dozier
• We keep Lyles cap hold
• Use the room exception on Sasha

…we’d have $16.996 mil in cap space with the following roster in place…

PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - Huerter / Monk / Jones
SF - Murray / Edwards
PF - Barnes / Sasha / Slawson
C - Sabonis / Lyles


If we give up Lyles’ cap hold, we’d have $19.306 mil in cap space.

 

[SacTownKid]

So assuming…

• Barnes’ deal has 8% increases
• We waive Dozier
• We keep Lyles cap hold
• Use the room exception on Sasha

…we’d have $16.996 mil in cap space with the following roster in place…

PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - Huerter / Monk / Jones
SF - Murray / Sasha Edwards
PF - Barnes / Lyles / Slawson
C - Sabonis

And yeah as @pdxKingsFan said, probably around 20 with the right moves to release Lyles.

 

[iowamcnabb]

you are going to bury Keegan playing defense because Barnes increasingly can’t do it. We needed a 3 and D forward and it’s looking increasingly like we are praying Kessler Edwards learns to shoot.

I would have much preferred to hedge my bet with Prosper but I am not a cheap ass owner that sells picks every ****ing year and makes my daughter with no basketball background G league GM.

ask Brown if he agrees with your assessment of Barnes. The cheap owner label doesn’t Vivek. If he is cheap why sell Hali on a rookie scale for Sabonis?

 

[NewArena]

Gonna be interesting!

https://twitter.com/statuses/1674573508624482307

 

[pdxKingsFan]

ask Brown if he agrees with your assessment of Barnes. The cheap owner label doesn’t Vivek. If he is cheap why sell Hali on a rookie scale for Sabonis?

Also I think we have one of the top assistant coach staffs in the league.

Vivek is cheap narrative I think is overdone. We're only now getting to the point where you spend and we must spend wisely.

 

[Kingz19]

Not surprising at all but still somehow disappointed. Especially since it seems our FRP sell off was merely to just give our current players a raise. Seems rather…boring.

Kings aren’t wrong to bank on the improvement of the current roster, basically everybody except HB….Fox, Sabonis, Monk, Huerter, Davion and Keegan should all have their best seasons ahead of them barring injury.

I would’ve rather used this money to get better rebounding and athleticism at the PF/C and wings. Even If it went to rotation players rather than sure fire stater/replacement. I was underwhelmed by the prospect of Kuzma and Middleton..but still had hope the Kings would go in a different direction.

Kings are on pace to suck at rebounds and defense again.

There is still hope for the bench. We’ll see what happens

 

[iowamcnabb]

So assuming…

• Barnes’ deal has 8% increases
• We waive Dozier
• We keep Lyles cap hold
• Use the room exception on Sasha

…we’d have $16.996 mil in cap space with the following roster in place…

PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - Huerter / Monk / Jones
SF - Murray / Sasha Edwards
PF - Barnes / Lyles / Slawson
C - Sabonis

so now the question is who can you add that will actually get playing time

 

[Section 101]

sure but signing Barnes and extending Sabonis could all have been done without selling your first round pick. ………

so that scenario and keeping 24 is clearly a better scenario than what we are seeing from a fans perspective.

No it can't. Kings have to use cap space to increase Sabonis salary this year. Can't do that acting as an over the cap team.

 

[SacTownKid]

you are going to bury Keegan playing defense because Barnes increasingly can’t do it. We needed a 3 and D forward and it’s looking increasingly like we are praying Kessler Edwards learns to shoot.

I would have much preferred to hedge my bet with Prosper but I am not a cheap ass owner that sells picks every ****ing year and makes my daughter with no basketball background G league GM.

Dude, I think these moves are Monte/Brown. Lets see what happens next but if they don't use that space to move the team forward on paper, yes, Vivek is going to get *** rammed for being cheap haha.

 

[SacTownKid]

No it can't. Kings have to use cap space to increase Sabonis salary this year. Can't do that acting as an over the cap team.

Is there anything from stopping that raise and extend thing from happening already though? That could have happened before this deal.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Dude, I think these moves are Monte/Brown. Let’s f see what happens next but if they don't use that space to move the team forward on paper, yes, Vivek is going to get *** rammed for being cheap haha.

if he does it will be absent of logic.

 

[Bosnian Diehard]

Really disappointed, especially since the 10% trade kicker takes away some of the “tradeability” of the contract. The one way Monte can now justify trading the 24th pick for extra cap space is if he adds a good bench player, like Grant Williams or someone similar.