Potential Free agent/trade/sign tracker
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I watched a Sixers podcast and the consensus over there was that the Kings don’t really have anything they would be willing to trade that the Sixers need. According to them they need a back up center and a wing haha. Salaries are tough to match. the fans get ally seem to like Thybulle and don’t want the Sixers to trade him
Maybe they are looking at renewing Harden's contract and have to offload someone.
But I agree with you in general. Just a look at our roster versus theirs, I could only make a case that they might not mind taking Holmes back but he isn't that much better on both ends of the floor than Harrell. They wouldn't want/need TD since they already have Maxey, Melton, and Shake Milton in a similar skillset/position. There isn't much the Sixers would want from us, truthfully.
But I agree with you in general. Just a look at our roster versus theirs, I could only make a case that they might not mind taking Holmes back but he isn't that much better on both ends of the floor than Harrell. They wouldn't want/need TD since they already have Maxey, Melton, and Shake Milton in a similar skillset/position. There isn't much the Sixers would want from us, truthfully.
I thought the whole point of a Sixers deal is they want to get under the luxury tax. I am not sure if they are repeaters.
So no, they aren't going to get a "win" or player they like. They are going to save money on players the front office or Doc no longer value. It's not a fan-centric move. Or even a winning one.
So no, they aren't going to get a "win" or player they like. They are going to save money on players the front office or Doc no longer value. It's not a fan-centric move. Or even a winning one.
Yeah, fans over there better prepare for a total dump of Thybulle unless they get can someone to eat Korkmaz' deal. I'd find it hard to believe someone would with another year remaining. I like that Monte is looking at someone like Thybulle. No long term commitment and keeps some flexibility going into summer while getting a need player that still might have a chance to stick in the league if he finds the right situation.
Zach Collins would be a sneaky good fit as a backup C.
He can clean the glass, protect the rim, shoot the three, pass the ball, execute dribble-handoffs, athletic enough to not look totally lost defending the perimeter, has a 7’1” wingspan with a 9’3” standing reach, and his contract is non-guaranteed next year. His main issue throughout his career has been staying healthy but the fit seems good on paper.
Then they also have Richardson as an expiring, ver 3&D wing as well. Holmes + filler + 2nds for those two would seem like a great haul and balance out the roster and give us a 10 man rotation of…
PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - Huerter / Monk
SF - Murray / Richardson
PF - Barnes / Lyles
C - Sabonis / Collins
Or perhaps you do something like…
Richaun Holmes
Davion Mitchell
For
Josh Richardson
Zach Collins
2023 SAS 2nd
SG - Huerter / Davis
SF - Murray / Richardson / Okpala
PF - Barnes / Lyles
C - Sabonis / Collins / Metu / Len
He can clean the glass, protect the rim, shoot the three, pass the ball, execute dribble-handoffs, athletic enough to not look totally lost defending the perimeter, has a 7’1” wingspan with a 9’3” standing reach, and his contract is non-guaranteed next year. His main issue throughout his career has been staying healthy but the fit seems good on paper.
Then they also have Richardson as an expiring, ver 3&D wing as well. Holmes + filler + 2nds for those two would seem like a great haul and balance out the roster and give us a 10 man rotation of…
PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - Huerter / Monk
SF - Murray / Richardson
PF - Barnes / Lyles
C - Sabonis / Collins
Or perhaps you do something like…
Richaun Holmes
Davion Mitchell
For
Josh Richardson
Zach Collins
2023 SAS 2nd
- It allows us to slot Monk in as the backup PG and Davis as the backup SG.
- Richardson would be a solid, 3&D SF who can also help with the passing/playmaking
- Collins gives us a big & long 3&D C who can run some of the same action as Sabonis
- We get an early 2nd round pick to add some cheap, young depth next year
- We clear $17.1 mil in salary next year which should give us around $40 mil in cap space to resign Barnes, make a run at a young forward (Johnson, Williams, Washington), and resign some of the other bench players
SG - Huerter / Davis
SF - Murray / Richardson / Okpala
PF - Barnes / Lyles
C - Sabonis / Collins / Metu / Len
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Including Davion in a trade now will disrupt chemistry…..100%. Trading Davion in the off-season would be much different. Plus, he’s been too important to the success of the team.
Holmes, TD, Len and the lesser used young guys like Queta and the 2nd round picks are the guys who would be traded and their value lies in the contracts expiring or in Holmes case, the amount which could net us someone a little more expensive. I’m sure teams know what he can do given playing time. But he’s not someone teams actively seek out.
2nd round picks are what we got to deal. Role players are what we will get
Holmes, TD, Len and the lesser used young guys like Queta and the 2nd round picks are the guys who would be traded and their value lies in the contracts expiring or in Holmes case, the amount which could net us someone a little more expensive. I’m sure teams know what he can do given playing time. But he’s not someone teams actively seek out.
2nd round picks are what we got to deal. Role players are what we will get
Bazley has shown some flashes throughout his career, but hasn't really been able to find any groove or consistency. And I'm fairly sure he's been more of a 4/5 hybrid than a 3/4 wing.
Wouldn't mind it if he's free, but I'd hope we'd go get someone who can help us with wins this season. He's more a development piece
Wouldn't mind it if he's free, but I'd hope we'd go get someone who can help us with wins this season. He's more a development piece
Davion is much more valuable to the Kings than to the NBA as a whole.
Holmes is not the negative contract it's being made out to be. He's an MLE player that this year is not living up to the contract. It's got 2 years left, it's not that big of a deal. We just may not get value out of it, but we are not paying to eat it. It's less than 10% of the cap.
The reason we are discussing Len, Holmes, KZ, TD as the trade candidates, is because they are salary filler for the on the fringe type of moves that we may get done with seconds and helping a team out of a luxury tax issue.
I do not believe we will be involved in any large moves. We trade budding start for existing star last year, and traded a bag of chips and a protect FRP for dead eye shooter, starting SG who plays his role. We also drafted a player, that is a dead eye shooter and you can see very positive signs of significant player growth in the way that we need for this team. Also, signed Monk who is Fox's buddy and provides energy.
Holmes is not the negative contract it's being made out to be. He's an MLE player that this year is not living up to the contract. It's got 2 years left, it's not that big of a deal. We just may not get value out of it, but we are not paying to eat it. It's less than 10% of the cap.
The reason we are discussing Len, Holmes, KZ, TD as the trade candidates, is because they are salary filler for the on the fringe type of moves that we may get done with seconds and helping a team out of a luxury tax issue.
I do not believe we will be involved in any large moves. We trade budding start for existing star last year, and traded a bag of chips and a protect FRP for dead eye shooter, starting SG who plays his role. We also drafted a player, that is a dead eye shooter and you can see very positive signs of significant player growth in the way that we need for this team. Also, signed Monk who is Fox's buddy and provides energy.
Unless he's being disruptive there's basically three scenarios:
1) He's shipped with multiple expirings to get a player on a big contract the other team wants to unload. We'd have to really want that player though.
2) He plays his way into a favorable trade.
3) He gets traded as an expiring to a team needing space, for probably a mediocre pick and maybe a player on a longer deal that is surplus to that team's needs (but this could be a Rui type of player, not a total garbage).
1) He's shipped with multiple expirings to get a player on a big contract the other team wants to unload. We'd have to really want that player though.
2) He plays his way into a favorable trade.
3) He gets traded as an expiring to a team needing space, for probably a mediocre pick and maybe a player on a longer deal that is surplus to that team's needs (but this could be a Rui type of player, not a total garbage).
Kings need more defense. So trade Davion??? Makes no sense. He's the best defender they've got. I would imagine the Kings would use either/both Holmes and Davis in a trade to get more defense, if it's available. I still say, by the way, that Holmes if probably more valuable to the Pacers than any team in the league because they would maximize his offensive potential with Halliburton, just as the Kings did a couple of years ago.
I don't think he would start this year because I wouldn't mess with chemistry, and I am also not in favor of bringing a role player in midseason who doesn't know the team and making him a starter (and disbanding a successful starting lineup). But if he works out and stays beyond this season, then I absolutely make him a starter next year after a full offseason, moving Barnes (who we hopefully resign) to the bench.
Thuybulle in the starting lineup long term balances your starters and bench. There is still plenty of offense and spacing in a Sabonis/Keegan/Thuybulle/Huerter/Fox starting 5. A bench unit of Davion/Monk/Barnes/Okpala/Lyles has a lot of two way potential (and the fact that a draft pick or free agent likely supplants Okpala). Plus, Thuybulle as a starter gets you a defensive presence from the get go (like Brown wanted with Okpala this year) and splits up Davion and Thuybulle so that in theory, you can have one of them on the floor at most times. I still think Barnes would play more minutes that Thuybulle, but you would be better balancing the lineups
2023/24 lineup
Sabonis/Lyles
Keegan/ (Okpala/2023 FRP/Free agent)
Thuybulle/Barnes
Huerter/Monk
Fox/Davion
Thuybulle in the starting lineup long term balances your starters and bench. There is still plenty of offense and spacing in a Sabonis/Keegan/Thuybulle/Huerter/Fox starting 5. A bench unit of Davion/Monk/Barnes/Okpala/Lyles has a lot of two way potential (and the fact that a draft pick or free agent likely supplants Okpala). Plus, Thuybulle as a starter gets you a defensive presence from the get go (like Brown wanted with Okpala this year) and splits up Davion and Thuybulle so that in theory, you can have one of them on the floor at most times. I still think Barnes would play more minutes that Thuybulle, but you would be better balancing the lineups
2023/24 lineup
Sabonis/Lyles
Keegan/ (Okpala/2023 FRP/Free agent)
Thuybulle/Barnes
Huerter/Monk
Fox/Davion