NBA Draft: What Will The Kings Do?
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If the Kings can't get into the play in spot without this rookie then it's possible anything not nailed down and under the age of 25 is gone anyway. Monte better not ignore the real 50/50 possibility that he's kicking off a total reset at the deadline. I'd say starting it off with a Davion/Ivey backcourt is a pretty good option.
I've been firmly team Murray>Ivey (still am), but I'd be fairly upset if we took him at 4 with the reports on how many teams are trying to grab the pick. I have 0 issue with us wanting Murray; but find a way to make Indy or DET pay for the pick and the draft slot. Don't make the same Marvin Bagley process mistake; If you can get the guy you want lower in the draft, make someone pay for your draft slot (which apparently a bunch of teams want to do).
If we're to believe that all these teams want the 4 draft slot, this is where Monte can really show his big boy GM pants and leverage this pick into an incredible haul. And if nothing comes out of it, take Ivey and punt the decision down the line as we did with Hali.
If we're to believe that all these teams want the 4 draft slot, this is where Monte can really show his big boy GM pants and leverage this pick into an incredible haul. And if nothing comes out of it, take Ivey and punt the decision down the line as we did with Hali.
Every notable pro analyst agrees this is a 4 player draft now. And a few think Ivey could even go top 3. Some have even stated he has the talent for #1 and could be best in the class. Half of the teams in the lottery are trying to trade up to 4 for Ivey, and only Ivey. They must see something too.
Last season Ivey: 20 years old
17pts game in 31 minutes
36% from 3 on 146 attempts (can shoot deep range too)
74% free throw 175 attempts
He can shoot, has a quick release and will get better. He'll get his.
I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt with some good coaching on defense. That's one of main reasons Brown was hired.
Ivey has the tools; speed and 6-9 wingspan is huge for a guard. His knock is he sometime snoozes and loses his guy. He actually mentioned he liked Davion Mitchell as example of D he likes.
Watch this clip at 2 min mark thru 3:10 for talk on Davion
and watch 16:15 thru 25 min mark all talking about his D:
I see it as Donovan Mitchell isn't known for D and we'd put him next to Fox no problem.
There is no way he is worse on defense than Buddy Heild.
Last season Ivey: 20 years old
17pts game in 31 minutes
36% from 3 on 146 attempts (can shoot deep range too)
74% free throw 175 attempts
He can shoot, has a quick release and will get better. He'll get his.
I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt with some good coaching on defense. That's one of main reasons Brown was hired.
Ivey has the tools; speed and 6-9 wingspan is huge for a guard. His knock is he sometime snoozes and loses his guy. He actually mentioned he liked Davion Mitchell as example of D he likes.
Watch this clip at 2 min mark thru 3:10 for talk on Davion
and watch 16:15 thru 25 min mark all talking about his D:
I see it as Donovan Mitchell isn't known for D and we'd put him next to Fox no problem.
There is no way he is worse on defense than Buddy Heild.
“The Kings are becoming increasingly comfortable drafting at No. 4 in Thursday’s draft and have described a steep price for teams behind them in the lottery who are attempting to trade up, sources said. Sacramento general manager Monte McNair has engaged in conversations around Hawks forward John Collins — among a slew of other established, productive players in the market — but there has been no involvement of the No. 4 pick in the discussions centered on Collins, and McNair will ultimately make the decision on the pick, according to sources.”
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I’m assuming that a Collins trade without the 4 pick included would have to include a future pick. Maybe Barnes + a top 10 protected pick next year for Collins or something? We keep the the 4 and pick Ivey and roll out a
Sabonis
Collins
???(Porter?)
Ivey
Fox
lineup.
I honestly would probably prefer the cap flexibility of Barnes off the books next season and our pick over that.
Sabonis
Collins
???(Porter?)
Ivey
Fox
lineup.
I honestly would probably prefer the cap flexibility of Barnes off the books next season and our pick over that.
Ham thinks/wants/expects:
#4 for Bey, Grant, and #5.
#5 + filler for Collins, 16, filler.
Ham's going to be disappointed, but I like this version of him better now that he no longer has to tiptoe around the hand that feeds him. This version = willing to criticize and set high bars for management/ownership.
#4 for Bey, Grant, and #5.
#5 + filler for Collins, 16, filler.
Ham's going to be disappointed, but I like this version of him better now that he no longer has to tiptoe around the hand that feeds him. This version = willing to criticize and set high bars for management/ownership.
There's a lot of grey area in today's world about what constitutes a "real journalist".
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if McNair threw that out as a starting point for negotiations.
The real price is probably #5 and Bey but you'd start out asking for more, especially if you're fielding calls from multiple teams.
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if McNair threw that out as a starting point for negotiations.
The real price is probably #5 and Bey but you'd start out asking for more, especially if you're fielding calls from multiple teams.
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Hmmm.... if we can swap out barnes for collins, and then add an actual solid wing I think that would be a good upgrade. For sac, I would never take the fools gold of potentially signing a meaningful free agent with cap space, over an established player under long term contract. I don't think of Barnes as an effective SF anymore, so if I'm thinking of both as a power forward next to Sabonis, I'd much rather have Collins at this point.
It's unfortunate Sharpe's stock took a nosedive because I think if Murray really is our guy - and I am not 100% sure I trust that isn't smoke any more that mock guys trying to make a name for themselves by picking what looks like an obvious fit choice bucking the consensus ordering - Detroit probably picks him. Not sure if that helps or hurts our chances in a game of chicken but I think they'd be pretty happy if they aren't forced into a trade.
Still I've been most critical of the Bagley decision for not doing what ATL ultimately did and I'd be disappointed if we don't make a trade if we aren't taking BPA.
Still I've been most critical of the Bagley decision for not doing what ATL ultimately did and I'd be disappointed if we don't make a trade if we aren't taking BPA.
If the drop off after Ivey is as steep as everybody seems to believe, then #5 and Bey is probably a bargain, especially with other teams also trying to climb in. The real trick is in determining whether the drop off is as big as perceived or not. If it is, we should hold tight. If it's not, we should squeeze every last bit of value out of the pick and trade high.
Pistons fans think Grant alone is worth a high pick because Portland was going to do something stupid. I would ask for a future first back if it was Grant because I think he walks after a year. I think the pick and Bey is pretty fair value given nobody has a crystal ball. It could be a steal for either team or it could actually be win win.
I think if that Wood trade set a lower value an ANY player in the league it's John Collins. They are pretty much one and the same except Collins really can't slide to either the 3 or 5. If Monte can get him, take Ivey, and only move Barnes you have to consider it. A future pick is sketchy but protection certainly would safeguard it.