Possible lottery picks in the 2022 draft:

#91
Yeah, I think I just didn't have enough film work on Banchero yet from my previous posts, but he's just far more advanced than I initially anticipated in basically all facets on offense. You can't teach his on-ball skillset with the 6'10/250 frame. The passing consistency isn't there, but he at least has playmaking creation potential which just soars his offensive. Completely agree on the shot; if pulls a Tatum and adds the 3 ball to his arsenal, you can see top-10 in the NBA type offensive potential.

Defensively, he is never going to be a rim protector, but I don't see anything that shows he won't be able to stick with NBA 4's. Just a lot of lack of consistency, but similar to the passing, you see him have just really great defensive possessions with quality shot contests.

The top 4 of this class is really fun and I think rivals or potentially even better than last years top 4. I still take Jabari #1 with the true 3/4 flex wing upside that no one else in this class has, but the #2 spot is a damn interesting discussion.
Banchero reminds of Tatum in a power body.
 

hrdboild

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#94

Wild how these wildly athletic explosive guards keep coming into the league every three years or so like clockwork now.

Fox came in and after him, Ja, and now after Ja it's Ivey AND Scoot's coming into the league the season after that.
I guess we could call this the Derrick Rose generation? He won his MVP award roughly 10 years ago and that was the beginning of the PG renaissance.
 
#95
Banchero reminds of Tatum in a power body.
Yeah, Tatum had a more natural shot than Banchero in college and basically walked into the NBA being a great spacer too. So that'll be key for Banchero, but I can see it. A little bit of the Randle-esq inside bully ball with some of the Tatum "Big wing" handle shot creation.
 
#96
Been trying to find a prospect to differentiate the #5 spot on my BPA and think it's AJ Griffin right now. He'll have absolutely 0 issue guarding wings, something that's a little bit of a rarity in this draft. The physical profile is tantilizing: 6'6/222 pounds with a 7'0 wingspan and is still going to be 18 on draft day. Incredibly bouncy (although been working his way back from injury all year. It's starting to really show similar to the high school bounce). He's one of the better shooters in the draft that should translate almost immediately with a good release and repeatable stroke. He doesn't get a ton of opportunities to create off the bounce, but he's been showing it a lot more in recent games that he's just not a "3&D" wing and should be a quality shot maker at the next level. Also not afraid to crash the glass and looks to be an active rebounder.

The playmaking is one key aspect we havent seen a ton of and is probably a weakness at this point. 8.5% AST rate isn't good for a guy with his much on-ball talent. This could just be moreso tied into his role as a finisher with such a stacked Duke team, but I'd like to see more. One more slightly concerning aspect is the lack of free throws with his scoring. Could once again be tied to his main role as Duke's spacer, but I'd like to see a better FTr for a dude with his physical profile.

Overall though, he's a true 2/3/4 flex wing that should step in immediately as a great shooter and defender. You can plug him with anybody and he's going to still be an high impact starting-caliber wing at the most rare position in the game. There's enough on-ball scoring potential with him that you see the paths for him popping to all-star level. And even if he doesn't, I think a Mikal Bridges type career arc is well within his range of outcomes.
 

SacTownKid

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#98
Yeah, Tatum had a more natural shot than Banchero in college and basically walked into the NBA being a great spacer too. So that'll be key for Banchero, but I can see it. A little bit of the Randle-esq inside bully ball with some of the Tatum "Big wing" handle shot creation.
This is Duke, I think they scouted him seeing a combo of Jabari Parker/poor mans Zion. He looks it.
 

kingsboi

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Wild how these wildly athletic explosive guards keep coming into the league every three years or so like clockwork now.

Fox came in and after him, Ja, and now after Ja it's Ivey AND Scoot's coming into the league the season after that.
not wild at all. the evolution of sports physiology and biomechanics is being better understood and these players are getting much better training and knowledge than athletes in decades prior
 

Griffin’s shooting stance is so weird but it’s working for him and he’s rapidly developing for Duke now so it’s hard to use that to mark him down as a prospect. Probably guy number five for me even if I really like Johnny Davis and Shaedon declares.
I don't think Davis is going to be able to defend 3's like Griffin will be able to. And while I think Davis might have the best on-ball shot creation in the draft, I think he's more of a player you have to feature to be super effective.. I feel pretty confident Griffin is a plug and play with any other star archetype.
 

Capt. Factorial

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Griffin’s shooting stance is so weird but it’s working for him and he’s rapidly developing for Duke now so it’s hard to use that to mark him down as a prospect. Probably guy number five for me even if I really like Johnny Davis and Shaedon declares.
The last couple of weeks, Griffin has gone a long way towards answering the question of "what do we do if we get #4?" and at least part of the way towards posing the question of "does he go higher than #4?"
 
Been trying to find a prospect to differentiate the #5 spot on my BPA and think it's AJ Griffin right now. He'll have absolutely 0 issue guarding wings, something that's a little bit of a rarity in this draft. The physical profile is tantilizing: 6'6/222 pounds with a 7'0 wingspan and is still going to be 18 on draft day. Incredibly bouncy (although been working his way back from injury all year. It's starting to really show similar to the high school bounce). He's one of the better shooters in the draft that should translate almost immediately with a good release and repeatable stroke. He doesn't get a ton of opportunities to create off the bounce, but he's been showing it a lot more in recent games that he's just not a "3&D" wing and should be a quality shot maker at the next level. Also not afraid to crash the glass and looks to be an active rebounder.

The playmaking is one key aspect we havent seen a ton of and is probably a weakness at this point. 8.5% AST rate isn't good for a guy with his much on-ball talent. This could just be moreso tied into his role as a finisher with such a stacked Duke team, but I'd like to see more. One more slightly concerning aspect is the lack of free throws with his scoring. Could once again be tied to his main role as Duke's spacer, but I'd like to see a better FTr for a dude with his physical profile.

Overall though, he's a true 2/3/4 flex wing that should step in immediately as a great shooter and defender. You can plug him with anybody and he's going to still be an high impact starting-caliber wing at the most rare position in the game. There's enough on-ball scoring potential with him that you see the paths for him popping to all-star level. And even if he doesn't, I think a Mikal Bridges type career arc is well within his range of outcomes.
Yeah I've been zeroing in on him the last week or so as a good pick if the Kings don't get into the top 4.
 

Griffin’s shooting stance is so weird but it’s working for him and he’s rapidly developing for Duke now so it’s hard to use that to mark him down as a prospect. Probably guy number five for me even if I really like Johnny Davis and Shaedon declares.
The shot diversity here is really great to see. Not just hot "catch and shoot" shooting. I think that can separate him into a different tier from the Aaron Nesmith/Pat Williams/Devin Vassell archetype as just a 3&D wing.
 
Chet Holmgren is looking like the #1 pick. Questions about his frame are valid, but his grit and high defensive IQ more than make up for it.
Yeah he really is one of the more talented prospects I've seen in a long time. His weight/frame really is the only thing you can nitpick about his prospect profile. Just such a high level player in all facets.
 
Personally, the frame is overblown IMO. He is just an outstanding basketball player period. Bigs don't bang in the post much anymore and the ones that do often get played off the court in the playoffs anyway. He can protect the rim with the best of them. Insane shot blocker and alterer who also has guard skills.
 
Personally, the frame is overblown IMO. He is just an outstanding basketball player period. Bigs don't bang in the post much anymore and the ones that do often get played off the court in the playoffs anyway. He can protect the rim with the best of them. Insane shot blocker and alterer who also has guard skills.
I don't think it's overblown at all. I don't even think there is an NBA body that is comparable. Maybe Bol Bol or Poku on the Thunder? He doesn't even have anything that resembles an NCAA freshman body, let alone an NBA body. Weight isn't only needed to keep Jokic from backing you down in the paint. It's extremely important for your center to be strong under the rim. Richaun isn't even strong enough to handle the job most of the time and he's built for his size.

Chet obviously has length that Richaun doesn't have and that can help compensate but I think he's by far the riskiest pick because it's not like he just needs a couple of offseasons in the gym. His frame might not ever be NBA ready.

If I'm wrong and he's able to compensate for it all with his length, then the sky is the limit.
 

Tetsujin

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I don't think it's overblown at all. I don't even think there is an NBA body that is comparable. Maybe Bol Bol or Poku on the Thunder? He doesn't even have anything that resembles an NCAA freshman body, let alone an NBA body. Weight isn't only needed to keep Jokic from backing you down in the paint. It's extremely important for your center to be strong under the rim. Richaun isn't even strong enough to handle the job most of the time and he's built for his size.

Chet obviously has length that Richaun doesn't have and that can help compensate but I think he's by far the riskiest pick because it's not like he just needs a couple of offseasons in the gym. His frame might not ever be NBA ready.

If I'm wrong and he's able to compensate for it all with his length, then the sky is the limit.
The interesting thing about Chet is that he's actually pretty strong/tough for his frame. Certainly doesn't completely compensate for the lack of mass/size or whatever but I think he's less of a liability in that regard than Poku.
 
I don't think it's overblown at all. I don't even think there is an NBA body that is comparable. Maybe Bol Bol or Poku on the Thunder? He doesn't even have anything that resembles an NCAA freshman body, let alone an NBA body. Weight isn't only needed to keep Jokic from backing you down in the paint. It's extremely important for your center to be strong under the rim. Richaun isn't even strong enough to handle the job most of the time and he's built for his size.

Chet obviously has length that Richaun doesn't have and that can help compensate but I think he's by far the riskiest pick because it's not like he just needs a couple of offseasons in the gym. His frame might not ever be NBA ready.

If I'm wrong and he's able to compensate for it all with his length, then the sky is the limit.
Risky for sure, but the gamble would be worth it when you see the skillset combined with him not being a total softy. If Poku can even get the size he has, which I'm honestly surprised he's was able to that fast, then I'm not worried about Holmgren.

I was thinking about who he kind of reminds me of and it's Shawn Bradley. He's more skilled with the ball though and more talented obviously although in this era who knows how far Bradley could go. Bradley eventually put on some weight and that was in an era with legit big men, not like now. Yeah, Chet probably ain't sticking Jokic but few can. Fact is, players like that still have to guard him on the other end.


 
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Capt. Factorial

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Woukd you pass on Holmgren then because of his “slight” physique?
Depends on who is on the board. Right now I wouldn't consider Holmgren before #3 with Smith and Banchero clearly in front for me. If we weren't flush with PGs I'd likely have Ivey in front of him too. Griffin has to be in the discussion there as well. I'm open to other players impressing me enough to beat Holmgren out for #5, but as of now, I think that's about where the risk/reward flips.
 

bajaden

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Depends on who is on the board. Right now I wouldn't consider Holmgren before #3 with Smith and Banchero clearly in front for me. If we weren't flush with PGs I'd likely have Ivey in front of him too. Griffin has to be in the discussion there as well. I'm open to other players impressing me enough to beat Holmgren out for #5, but as of now, I think that's about where the risk/reward flips.
You seem to have circled the wagons on Holmgren. One thing to remember when it comes to big men, most of the centers that have had their career shortened, or ended by injury, have been 7 foot 260 lb plus dudes, whose bones couldn't support all that weight. Greg Odom anyone? But players like Garnet or Marcus Camby who were rail thin did just fine.

Hey, I'm not saying it's not a concern, but I'd hate to pass on a player with superstar potential, which he appear's to have.
 

Capt. Factorial

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You seem to have circled the wagons on Holmgren. One thing to remember when it comes to big men, most of the centers that have had their career shortened, or ended by injury, have been 7 foot 260 lb plus dudes, whose bones couldn't support all that weight. Greg Odom anyone? But players like Garnet or Marcus Camby who were rail thin did just fine.

Hey, I'm not saying it's not a concern, but I'd hate to pass on a player with superstar potential, which he appear's to have.
It seems to me that it's a different kind of "skinny", but hey, I could be wrong. Still, I don't think saying "probably gotta take him between 3-5 right now" is exactly circling the wagons.
 

funkykingston

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To me the more immediate concern with Holmgren isn't whether he'll put on weight - it's whether he's able to defend on the perimeter without getting destroyed.

I don't know that he'll ever be a full time center, but it's very likely that his rookie year he's going to play the four spot next to a traditional center the same way Mobley is being used by Cleveland.