[KINGS] Comments that don't warrant their own thread (Redux)
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while Simmons puts up MVP numbers for the Lakers or something after being traded for Westbrook and a week old pizza.
There's a reason most trades happen right before the deadline - negotiations intensify, teams get a better idea of how they stand a few more weeks into the season, and teams get a firmer sense of what value they can get for certain players, etc.
I don't expect much to happen for at least another 4-5 days, and maybe not until the last day or two.
I don't expect much to happen for at least another 4-5 days, and maybe not until the last day or two.
Well I think it’s fair to say Monte has shown the danger of completely ignoring fit and going with BPA. Instead of surrounding Fox with shooters he has acquired numerous non-shooting guards.
the choices have reduced Fox’s assists and made it harder to penetrate which is Fox’s main strength. Instead of being seen as a rising star, Fox is widely viewed as a bloated contract.
the choices have reduced Fox’s assists and made it harder to penetrate which is Fox’s main strength. Instead of being seen as a rising star, Fox is widely viewed as a bloated contract.
The Boogie trade, trading back from 10, Gary trent for 2 future SRP, all his FA nonsense trades because he completely flopped his 2 summers with a huge FA budget. And really, the Philly trade is all you need as contender for the worst deal of all-time.
The Barnes deal, Bogi deal and Beli for a 1st were all good. But of course the issue is you can't just ignore what he did with the picks because the Bogi and Beli deal were predicated on it. So even his few trade "wins" lead to disaster because he missed on 7/8 FRP.
The Barnes deal, Bogi deal and Beli for a 1st were all good. But of course the issue is you can't just ignore what he did with the picks because the Bogi and Beli deal were predicated on it. So even his few trade "wins" lead to disaster because he missed on 7/8 FRP.
Getting “screwed” is perhaps in the eye of the beholder. People (in general, but not necessarily you specifically) seem to pile on Morey for ridiculous demands, but who’s to say McNair isn’t being equally stubborn? As others have pointed out, there is a difference between value and price. Perhaps the value of our pieces are a lot lower than Monty has established in his mind (as crazy as that sounds given our recent state of play). Yes, he could wait to win a trade on paper (or in his mind based on his perceived asset value), but that day may never come and we’ll be left with our current poo poo platter.
I feel like the main issue is that we seem to be a terrible team looking to make our terrible team better for a push for the playoffs this year. That just usually doesn’t happen. In the current NBA, you usually see (1) bad team sell players for picks, (2) good teams buy players for picks, (3) bad team absorb contracts for picks, (4) good team sell bad contacts with picks. Rarely do you see (5) bad team sell player to another bad team for player, and probably even more rare do you see (6) bad team sell player to good team for a player. Why? Because all trading partners each want to “win” the trade. When trading a player for another player, it used to come down to who’s better in the eye of the beholder… I think your 20 ppg scorer is more valuable than my 10 rpg defensive big. However, now that there are advanced statistical metrics that make it easier to normalize and assess the relative contributions to winning that two different types of players may have, it’s much tougher to rely on the eye of the beholder argument to valuing the trade winner. To fill those gaps, value through draft picks or salary dump is needed.
So, long winded way of saying, I doubt McNair will ever get to a winning trade if the goal is to (1) find a team to dump our players (that currently contribute to losing basketball), to get (2) a player good enough to make our team better without (3) giving up enough draft capital that would be required to make our trading partner happy. We can keep waiting for that to happen, change our stated objectives for making the playoffs this year, or make a trade that likely results in us “losing”.
I feel like the main issue is that we seem to be a terrible team looking to make our terrible team better for a push for the playoffs this year. That just usually doesn’t happen. In the current NBA, you usually see (1) bad team sell players for picks, (2) good teams buy players for picks, (3) bad team absorb contracts for picks, (4) good team sell bad contacts with picks. Rarely do you see (5) bad team sell player to another bad team for player, and probably even more rare do you see (6) bad team sell player to good team for a player. Why? Because all trading partners each want to “win” the trade. When trading a player for another player, it used to come down to who’s better in the eye of the beholder… I think your 20 ppg scorer is more valuable than my 10 rpg defensive big. However, now that there are advanced statistical metrics that make it easier to normalize and assess the relative contributions to winning that two different types of players may have, it’s much tougher to rely on the eye of the beholder argument to valuing the trade winner. To fill those gaps, value through draft picks or salary dump is needed.
So, long winded way of saying, I doubt McNair will ever get to a winning trade if the goal is to (1) find a team to dump our players (that currently contribute to losing basketball), to get (2) a player good enough to make our team better without (3) giving up enough draft capital that would be required to make our trading partner happy. We can keep waiting for that to happen, change our stated objectives for making the playoffs this year, or make a trade that likely results in us “losing”.
Because Simmons has been shopped hard, and they have no takers.
McNair may be having similar issues to a lesser extent, but according to Carmichael Dave, etc., we apparently WILL be making trades before the deadline, and not just some fringe players around the margins. This tells me that there are some agreements, at least in principle, that have already started coming together.
McNair may be having similar issues to a lesser extent, but according to Carmichael Dave, etc., we apparently WILL be making trades before the deadline, and not just some fringe players around the margins. This tells me that there are some agreements, at least in principle, that have already started coming together.
Recent things that have upset me more than not yet making a trade…
Meetings that could have been an email.
When you’re set for contactless delivery but the dasher knocks and waits for you to open the door.
A hangnail.
No more episodes of The Expanse.
Sierra Nevada’s Powder Day IPA being kinda meh.
That Wordle answer that was like…all vowels.
Stepping on a Lego.
That new Matrix movie.
A mild headache.
Driving on the 101.
Feb 11th might be a different story.
Meetings that could have been an email.
When you’re set for contactless delivery but the dasher knocks and waits for you to open the door.
A hangnail.
No more episodes of The Expanse.
Sierra Nevada’s Powder Day IPA being kinda meh.
That Wordle answer that was like…all vowels.
Stepping on a Lego.
That new Matrix movie.
A mild headache.
Driving on the 101.
Feb 11th might be a different story.
Aside from the Celtics deciding to trade for Bol Bol even though his knees are apparently falling off and the Knicks giving up a first for Reddish only to immediately banish him to the end of the bench, it seems like the entire league is still reticent to make a trade. You'd expect that to change with the deadline approaching but maybe everyone's still waiting for the Sixers to finally make some sort of noise on the Simmons front before jumping into the pool.
That's the reason to try a word like ADIEU in the first couple tries - it nails almost all the vowels in the word early in the game and you know exactly what you need to use for the rest of your tries. I also typically start with SNORT - those two words get all the vowels and 5 of the top consonants. Usually a good start.
ADIEU, IRATE, LATER & STARE seem to be the top preferences. Your 1 2 combo is super strong…I tend to play pretty fast & loose, burning my first 3 (LEARS, POINT, DUCHY (which was hilariously the answer once)) to gather yellows, then living on the edge. Got burned on 9/25/21 (surprising vowel string) and 10/10/21 (locked in the last 4 quick, then stupidly made one-off guesses with way too many possibilities on the table).
I'm not quite sure what the criteria are here - "10 DFGA" would seem to imply 10 defended field goal attempts, but the included players don't square with the stats on NBA.com in terms of number of defended field goals, like by a lot. DFG% for included players does square with the NBA.com values though.
More interesting, I think, is NBA's DIFF%, which is a measure of how much "better" a player shoots than their expected average when being guarded - so negative numbers are better for the defender. Bagley still does come in third in DIFF% if you only include players with 100+ DFGA. 200 is probably a more reasonable cutoff at this point in the season, Bagley actually has 303, so he's clearly safe. Anyway, the top ten in DIFF% (min 100 DFGA) as of today are:
Okongwu: -9.0
Thybulle: -7.7
Bagley: -7.6
Tony Bradley: -7.5
Quickley: -7.4
Rose: -7.3
Nathan Knight: -7.2
Muscala: -6.8
Jarrett Allen: -6.5
Kleber: -6.0
The only other decent Kings defender is Davion, coming in at -3.2. Hali +4.1, Fox +6.0, Buddy +6.0 does seem to highlight our issues on perimeter defense.
More interesting, I think, is NBA's DIFF%, which is a measure of how much "better" a player shoots than their expected average when being guarded - so negative numbers are better for the defender. Bagley still does come in third in DIFF% if you only include players with 100+ DFGA. 200 is probably a more reasonable cutoff at this point in the season, Bagley actually has 303, so he's clearly safe. Anyway, the top ten in DIFF% (min 100 DFGA) as of today are:
Okongwu: -9.0
Thybulle: -7.7
Bagley: -7.6
Tony Bradley: -7.5
Quickley: -7.4
Rose: -7.3
Nathan Knight: -7.2
Muscala: -6.8
Jarrett Allen: -6.5
Kleber: -6.0
The only other decent Kings defender is Davion, coming in at -3.2. Hali +4.1, Fox +6.0, Buddy +6.0 does seem to highlight our issues on perimeter defense.
i mentioned this before but I think Doug’s coaching has been impactful with Marvin and what I was hoping I would see when he came to the NBA and got some real coaching other than his dad.
really given what we have seen in defensive improvement from Bagley I would not trade him away and I would match any contract that is not over the top.
really given what we have seen in defensive improvement from Bagley I would not trade him away and I would match any contract that is not over the top.