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Yeah if we could get a second pick somewhere or work a deal with one of our vets for both of OKCs 16/18 we could get one of the forwards and take some of the scraps. But I think that while the next 5-6 guys are all over the place, there's a definite drop in quality and its mostly wings with various upsides with one huge hole. I would love to have 2-3 picks as long as one of them is our 9 or higher so that we could take a guy like Wagner who I think fits our needs especially if we lose front court depth as expected but still grab a development prospect with upside especially if someone falls deep.
Indy is making Brogdon available, because they have Sumner and Holiday.
Choose one: https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=edmund+sumner+highlights
Choose one: https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=edmund+sumner+highlights
Wow, you’re really sticking with this take huh? You know what REALLY makes giving up brogdon easier? Giving him up for a 3 time allstar, 2 time all def first team pg that is an upgrade at his position. Not because you have a couple back up pg that avg a career 7 ppg and 5 ppg. They want to trade brogdon for simmons. A pg for a pg. having holiday and sumner have absolutely crap to do with the trade because they don’t move up in the depth chart because you’re replacing brogdon with a better player at his own position.
Stop trying to twist sh*t. No where did I say they were trying to get rid of Brogdon. I said they were offering Brogdon for Simmons, because they had Holliday and Summers in the wings. Like, you know, in order to get a three time all star, who plays all nba defense, you need to give up value to get value. It makes it easier to give up value when you got players that you like in the wings to play Brogdon’s position.
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Hali, Bouknight, Simmons, Barnes, Whiteside with Summers (n #28) coming off the bench would beat Fox, Buddy, Barnes, Bagley, n Holmes with Hali and #9 coming off the bench. Team one is jumbo sized at each position, plays above average defense, has three ball handlers, and can switch 1 to 4 on defense. Team two has one ball handler, two undersized players, and would continue to play the worse nba defense in history.
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A major, ignored point of the post you were replying to is that it is already easy to give up value when you are getting an upgrade in return.
Apparently, the Bailey of "Sumner has more value than Hield" has now officially retreated to the Motte of "Sumner is a good enough backup that the Pacers are comfortable upgrading the guy in front of him".
Apparently, the Bailey of "Sumner has more value than Hield" has now officially retreated to the Motte of "Sumner is a good enough backup that the Pacers are comfortable upgrading the guy in front of him".
I'm not the person twisting the argument to Sumner is better than Brogdon. That is essentially what Steelvert is implying. That's a big jump no matter how you try to reason it.
And, yea, I stand by my position that Summner has more value than Buddy. Factor in the players themselves and the salary. Salaries matter. Tobias Harris unequivocally is a better player than Harrison Barnes, but 99% of the people on this board would not trade Barnes for Harris. While 99% of Philly fans would. Buddy doesn't have the kind of value that most on here assume, because he's overpaid, refuses to play his best role, and does Buddy things. Summner has more value than him and is exactly the type of player that McNair should be targeting: undervalued, young, ascending, plays two ways, and cheap.
And, yea, I stand by my position that Summner has more value than Buddy. Factor in the players themselves and the salary. Salaries matter. Tobias Harris unequivocally is a better player than Harrison Barnes, but 99% of the people on this board would not trade Barnes for Harris. While 99% of Philly fans would. Buddy doesn't have the kind of value that most on here assume, because he's overpaid, refuses to play his best role, and does Buddy things. Summner has more value than him and is exactly the type of player that McNair should be targeting: undervalued, young, ascending, plays two ways, and cheap.
I’d trade Barnes for Harris (and I know Harris is grossly overpayed and would want some pot sweetener). But I think the Kings need an alpha scorer in the front court and Harris foots the Bill better that Barnes (or Bagley).
I also like Barnes a lot (he was really good last season). And I’m interested in whether the Pacer’s make a push for him with Rick Carlisle there now.
I also like Barnes a lot (he was really good last season). And I’m interested in whether the Pacer’s make a push for him with Rick Carlisle there now.
Have you watched him? He's a steal at $2.5M per year and started about 30% of their games. At times playing the 3. Just needs playing time to average 15, 5, 5, 2. That Indy team was a head scratcher last year. Lots of in team turmoil lead to a sour season, but individually, they're stacked with talent.
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