Fire Walton
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Ok then, what was the difference between the team we saw during that 7-1 stretch vs. before and now? Having the wrong coach for the team you have, or a team that isn't being utilized effectively can be a very perpetual issue when you have a flawed system from the top down. Should a GM typically be handed a coach? Or should he pick a coach to suit his vision?
We need to put the rest the whole "taking the ball out of X player's hands". There is never a good reason to not add more passing and playmaking if the fit is correct. We didn't complain that JWill, DC, Webber, Bibby, Vlade, BJax and Hedo were all taking the ball out of each others hands.
The shooting from Barnes is a real concern but you never pass up on playmaking if it's there and it works.
Do you really think we're a 3&D player away from a run at the playoffs? I think we're a "player that's better or at the very least, equal to Fox" away from the playoffs.
The shooting from Barnes is a real concern but you never pass up on playmaking if it's there and it works.
Do you really think we're a 3&D player away from a run at the playoffs? I think we're a "player that's better or at the very least, equal to Fox" away from the playoffs.
primarily defense but less attacking also....
Fox’s stats before and after....
27.7 points. 118 offensive rating. 111.9 defensive
21.4 points. 106 offensive rating. 125.3 defensive
to be fair Barnes has equally fallen off
19.7 points 118.4 offensive rating. 107.9 defensive
8.3 points. 108.5 offensive rating. 131.7 defensive
Fox’s stats before and after....
27.7 points. 118 offensive rating. 111.9 defensive
21.4 points. 106 offensive rating. 125.3 defensive
to be fair Barnes has equally fallen off
19.7 points 118.4 offensive rating. 107.9 defensive
8.3 points. 108.5 offensive rating. 131.7 defensive
I think we have enough poor outside shooters. Opposing players pack the paint. Pick and rolls are effective if you have shooters spacing the floor. My point isn’t taking the ball out of Fox’s hands as much has you don’t have spacing.
We have players that can run a pick and roll. I’m not opposed to more skilled decision makers off the dribble but I prioritize shooting over it. If they can do both great. If not I want an intelligent floor spacer who can defend.
We have players that can run a pick and roll. I’m not opposed to more skilled decision makers off the dribble but I prioritize shooting over it. If they can do both great. If not I want an intelligent floor spacer who can defend.
I'm not asking for the results, we can see the results in real time. All of these things fall right in line with stylistic changes that occurred did they not? I doubt anyone is saying this team was a 7-1 clip team, no team is, but they were used much more effectively prior, so who made the call to change things up strategically?
He shows potential as someone whose shot will improve, and as we all know shooting can improve. The physical tools and talent are there. And with Barnes you don't have to take the ball out of anyones hands. Right now he's playing as a combo guard type. In the NBA him transitioning in a playmaking F is likely. An Odom type perhaps. Going further, people have been waiting for that next "Scottie", well this might be it. That's very, very valuable if he lives up to expectations. Also Barnes shows the attitude and has the length to become a very interesting and perhaps unique defender.
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The issue is this archetype is so incredibly rare in the NBA outside of stars and any role players who fit this mold never make it to the Free Agent market. I'd much rather gamble on the Barnes archetype, which is so incredibly valuable in the NBA (versatile defender/wing creation) and try to develop the shot. Playmaking isn't a 0-sum game. You can never have too much of it.
someone who shoots poorly from the 3 point line and has a low number of attempts does not typically project as a good 3 point shooter. If we are at 8/9 the better players may be done and Barnes may well be who we have to take but he falls below Williams and Wagner on my list.
Wagner is climbing draft boards and is a player we should watch.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=scottie-barnes--franz-wagner--ziaire-williams
Wagner is climbing draft boards and is a player we should watch.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=scottie-barnes--franz-wagner--ziaire-williams
i feel the difference is a couple things. 1. the injury bug is hitting us now. Missing barnes and holmes is probably what keeps us from beating the bad teams and keeping us close against the good teams. 2. Waltons decision to change things up. normally when you have a SF and C out, you would replace them with a SF and C and keep you style and plays the same. Walton for some reason decided to replace our C with a PF, and our PF and SF with shooting guards. now almost everyone is playing out of position and undersized playing the other teams. I believe this hurts us defensively. 3. We were lucky to play a few teams who had players hurt during our run.
But a decent stroke does, and Barnes doesn't have a broken jumper. Again, the benefit for him is that he's a true combo. If he were likely stuck at SF then that might be an issue but he won't be. Drafting Barnes to me is something you look at as potential more than anything he's doing or even showing now. Of course he has already shown brief moments of star qualities. Williams and Wagner are both interesting prospects too, I would take Barnes if it were a choice at the moment for the intangibles.
I really like Wagner and have been calling for the Kings to draft him if we end up 10 or later. I do have some concerns about his lack of aggressiveness on offense however. I’ve watched his last couple games and he didn’t leap out as much as one would like. He is a really solid on the ball defender which is something this team really needs
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