Michael Porter Jr
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The hype is not fraudulent. The hype is out there. Whether it is deserved is another issue. When I use this term, I am referring to his non performance in three games at Missouri then shortly thereafter declaring himself the best player in the draft. He's unhealthy and physically ill-equipped to play in the NBA. I previously outlined how if he truly believed in his talent he would dominate the NCAA next year and be a Top 3 pick in the 2019 draft. He would be more prepared to take the step up and he would make up for the lost year of earnings and then some. In my view he's going for a cash grab as damaged goods and may never reclaim his athleticism before he got hurt. His hunched posture is cause for concern too. He doesn't even stand up straight. It is in this context I say he is a fraud. He wants to be a Top 5 pick without earning his way there.
I wasn't the mod who took the action so guess again. You were kicked from that thread because of your repeated and continued refusal to let the whole "Euro's aren't good enough" scenario go. (Capt.'s edit: *I* booted you from that thread, for the exact reasons that VF21 articulates here. It had nothing to do with your skepticism of Doncic, to which you are entitled, and everything to do with your persistence in generic Euro-bashing in the face of multiple mod requests to stop.)
What I DID do is delete a thread you started in which you attempted to go back to your same old refrain. This was explained to you in a PM. If you want to discuss it further, I can do that but you're not going to continue to hijack threads.
What I DID do is delete a thread you started in which you attempted to go back to your same old refrain. This was explained to you in a PM. If you want to discuss it further, I can do that but you're not going to continue to hijack threads.
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This is patently untrue. Look at all the threads dedicated to players other than Luka. LOTS of discussion. What isn't going to be allowed is some of the commentary that resorts to derision based on ethnicity, race, nationality, etc. If that bothers you, I don't know what to tell you. We have a global team and, as pretty obvious by a different thread, we have global fans. NOBODY is going to violate our rules and demean a player or a fan and get away with it.
Further discussion can be done via PM or not at all.
I disagree on the "smeer" piece part. People are passionate about their choices and, for the most part, even the most passionate have managed to have decent arguments even when they patently disagree. Concerns about Porter are valid for the most part. Because so much rides on this draft pick, emotions are higher than usual and we've got a lot of people back who haven't been posting for several years.
I can't speak for anyone else, but he's my nightmare pick primarily because of his injury and then his inability to get out of bed. Those are flares I cannot ignore. We're the Kings, where players break their legs while practicing against chairs (Brad Miller), break their hand tripping over a moving box when they first arrive (Greg Ostertag), sustain a lingering injury when they retrieve a ball wedged against the backboard (Francisco Garcia), sustain an injury when a medicine ball they're exercising with explodes (also Francisco Garcia) etc. Bringing in someone with a 10% chance of further problems because of a medical procedure just seems like spitting in the face of fate.
Haha, I thought you were talking about Doncic when you were talking about hype. In my opinion, I think Doncic will be a bust. I will gladly be proven wrong as I hate to see any kid bust.
I just don’t see the explosion and burst to be successful. I see a kid using step backs to make space at the Euro level. Longer athletic players are going to eat him up. His max elevation is getting his hand above the rim. Makes him easier to block because the downward trajectory doesn’t happen fast enough. Lastly he’s not a Markennan, Porzingis, Bogdan level shooter.
Porter may never get there due to injury but if healthy he has a chance. I don’t see much upside with Luka.
I just don’t see the explosion and burst to be successful. I see a kid using step backs to make space at the Euro level. Longer athletic players are going to eat him up. His max elevation is getting his hand above the rim. Makes him easier to block because the downward trajectory doesn’t happen fast enough. Lastly he’s not a Markennan, Porzingis, Bogdan level shooter.
Porter may never get there due to injury but if healthy he has a chance. I don’t see much upside with Luka.
If MPJ is really as good a shooter as some people say he is, then I can see the infatuation. A 6'-11" guy who is lights out from deep and can drain contested shots effortlessly, while not exactly the next KD, is still a big time talent.
The question is: is he really that good a shooter? There is just not enough sample size for me to say one way or another.
And then there's the back injury, which is a deal breaker for me.
But if this is the pick, it means the Kings has done due diligence and the medical checks out; in that case I can get behind it and I don't think it's that bad a pick if he stays healthy and lives up to his buckets getting way.
The question is: is he really that good a shooter? There is just not enough sample size for me to say one way or another.
And then there's the back injury, which is a deal breaker for me.
But if this is the pick, it means the Kings has done due diligence and the medical checks out; in that case I can get behind it and I don't think it's that bad a pick if he stays healthy and lives up to his buckets getting way.
There are numerous fans here who claim to have great scouting ability. It's well received for more casual fans of the game who don't scout prospects, but given the levels of arrogance that some posters approach the draft with, it may be fun to actually keep a record of who said what (for those willing to participate). That way, you know who you should take with a large pinch of salt the next time the draft comes around, no matter how much they claim to have watched the prospects. All in good fun and spirit of course. Problem with the current forum setup is that we can't search for threads so it's quite hard to dig out old records. Maybe if such a thread can be stickied?
Whether they are washed up NBA players or not, they are still better than 99% of the NCAA. It's amazing that you can't grasp this. Euroleague is without a doubt a higher standard overall than NCAA. There is no valid argument against this from people who watch both. Unfortunately you seem to think you know more than everyone despite not actually being knowledgeable about it.
If Euroleague was as poor a standard as you're making out, then all these ex-NBA players would be dominant in Europe. Except they're not. Some of them can't even get consistent minutes on mediocre European teams.
Let's make something very clear. Your lack of understanding and conviction of belief on a topic does not equate to your opinion having any validity whatsoever.
And this has nothing to do with whether Doncic will be good or not. That's a separate discussion.
If Euroleague was as poor a standard as you're making out, then all these ex-NBA players would be dominant in Europe. Except they're not. Some of them can't even get consistent minutes on mediocre European teams.
Let's make something very clear. Your lack of understanding and conviction of belief on a topic does not equate to your opinion having any validity whatsoever.
And this has nothing to do with whether Doncic will be good or not. That's a separate discussion.
that i understand. but don't act like im saying anything about just because they are Euro. thats what i am saying now. but to your point i have never compared to NCAA at all. my argument is vs NBA. you can read all my post on the subject and I dare you to find where i said NCAA is better. my coparisons have been how they do in the NBA. some actually think Doncic is gonna come in and avg 15/5/5 as a rookie.
Doubt they'd let us do that since it would turn into a big 'I told you so' argument but a lot of the people here will freely admit when they're wrong.
I'm very anti MPJ but if the Kings picked him I would gladly trade being wrong for his success here.
I've been on an island here plenty of times. I argued for Isaiah Thomas for quite some time when the board turned on him while he was still here. I was one of the few who thought Tatum was going to be really good while many here thought he was at best a bad Carmelo clone. I think Lonzo Ball is going to be a lot better than people think and I'd also trade Fox if I could get good value for him because I don't see him becoming a premier point guard in this league. That last one makes people really angry lol.
On the flip side, I've been wrong plenty as well. I thought McLemore and TRob would be really good when we drafted them. Everyone here always exercises patience but I would have traded TRob after his first summer league stint and McLemore a month into his NBA career. Didn't realize how small TRob looked compared to NBA power forwards and McLemore just didn't look like a basketball player to me. Should have traded McLemore in the same manner that we traded TRob because we would have gotten something decent for him back then. I think people are way too patient when it comes to basketball players. Yeah some of them take a few years to develop but they usually show flashes of greatness while they're learning their way as a young player. Usually you just wind up riding a player out until their value drops and then you trade them for a bag of potato chips. If I don't see the "it" factor right away, I'd rather trade them away and get some decent value because I bet you'd be able to land 2-3 good players for every 1 player you trade away too early.
I'm very anti MPJ but if the Kings picked him I would gladly trade being wrong for his success here.
I've been on an island here plenty of times. I argued for Isaiah Thomas for quite some time when the board turned on him while he was still here. I was one of the few who thought Tatum was going to be really good while many here thought he was at best a bad Carmelo clone. I think Lonzo Ball is going to be a lot better than people think and I'd also trade Fox if I could get good value for him because I don't see him becoming a premier point guard in this league. That last one makes people really angry lol.
On the flip side, I've been wrong plenty as well. I thought McLemore and TRob would be really good when we drafted them. Everyone here always exercises patience but I would have traded TRob after his first summer league stint and McLemore a month into his NBA career. Didn't realize how small TRob looked compared to NBA power forwards and McLemore just didn't look like a basketball player to me. Should have traded McLemore in the same manner that we traded TRob because we would have gotten something decent for him back then. I think people are way too patient when it comes to basketball players. Yeah some of them take a few years to develop but they usually show flashes of greatness while they're learning their way as a young player. Usually you just wind up riding a player out until their value drops and then you trade them for a bag of potato chips. If I don't see the "it" factor right away, I'd rather trade them away and get some decent value because I bet you'd be able to land 2-3 good players for every 1 player you trade away too early.
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