Marvin Bagley III
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I like Bagley. People are talking themselves out of him, which happens every year. The problem is people are trying to solve every issue with one pick, which is never going to happen. Of course he has his weaknesses, but so does every other prospect.
I would take him over Porter 10/10, everything considered.
I would take him over Porter 10/10, everything considered.
Its funny how it happens every year. Even when LeBron came into the league, there were question marks around his shot.
Every single player has question marks. No player is perfect.
Bagley adds what this team desperately needs in terms of a go to scorer potential, high level rebounding and a potential perennial all-star level player.
I take him at 2 and back in our development team to get the best out of him. I am not worried about this modern game talk. Trends are cyclical. There is more than one way to win. Be a trend setter, not a follower.
Every single player has question marks. No player is perfect.
Bagley adds what this team desperately needs in terms of a go to scorer potential, high level rebounding and a potential perennial all-star level player.
I take him at 2 and back in our development team to get the best out of him. I am not worried about this modern game talk. Trends are cyclical. There is more than one way to win. Be a trend setter, not a follower.
Exactly. Trying to replicate GS is a fools errand. They have 3 of the greatest shooters of all time (all 3 are possibly top 5 shooters of all time), good luck recreating that.
The most talented teams win in the NBA, regardless of style. Being close-minded and saying only one style currently works, is going to seriously limit your potential going forward. When GSW reign is over, I seriously doubt it will be due to a team beating them at their own game. I do not understand everyone trying to imitate them. You're not going to do it better than they can.
The most talented teams win in the NBA, regardless of style. Being close-minded and saying only one style currently works, is going to seriously limit your potential going forward. When GSW reign is over, I seriously doubt it will be due to a team beating them at their own game. I do not understand everyone trying to imitate them. You're not going to do it better than they can.
I’m worried about Bagley’s rawness but that worry was negated somewhat by his AAU coaching model. He was coached by his father, paid by Nike, who was a former pro football coach. So with Bagley you really are getting an athletic moldable piece of clay. I’m hearing he is the Kings pick.
We are going to have to be patient with this kid. He missed one year of high school ball, was the best kid on a mid level AAU team coached by his father. We won’t know what we have until year 3 at least. My guess is our line up looks like this on opening day:
Center: Giles, KK, ZBo
Power forward: WCS, Bagley, Skal
Small forward: Hezonja, Jackson, ??
Shooting Guard: Bogdanovic, Hield, Shumpert
Point Guard: Fox, Mason, Temple
We are going to have to be patient with this kid. He missed one year of high school ball, was the best kid on a mid level AAU team coached by his father. We won’t know what we have until year 3 at least. My guess is our line up looks like this on opening day:
Center: Giles, KK, ZBo
Power forward: WCS, Bagley, Skal
Small forward: Hezonja, Jackson, ??
Shooting Guard: Bogdanovic, Hield, Shumpert
Point Guard: Fox, Mason, Temple
I couldn't agree more! On the WCS you hit the nail on the head from his effort standpoint. If he had half the motor bagley had everyone of us would love him. Bagley has special athleticism and fits todays mold of the modern big man. He dominated the ACC with just his natural touch and athleticism/hustle. Those are 2 things that will translate day 1. I know he needs to learn how to play defense but i know he can. He has great lateral quickness but being coached by his father his entire life probably hindered his development. His shot mechanics look solid and I think he have much better play-making ability than he was able to show at Duke. Oh and I can confirm from my brother that he is a really good kid and comes from a nice family. I may be a bit biased and would be fine if we drafted Luka but all of you diminishing Bagley's upside is absurd and I'd challenge anyone that doesn't think he's a safe pick to be at the very least what we all hope WCS would be and the upside of a Toronto Raptors version of Chris Bosh but bouncier. Mpj is officially off my board after being my number 1 player.
The best part about pairing Giles and bagley together is they both have elite lateral quickness for being 6 10. So it's very possible they can have the feet to play big but still match up well with small ball lineups. If giles and bagley can get a consistent 3 pt shot then this team will be scary good and teams will be reeling trying to match up with us. Go add Henzonja and I'll be feeling damn good about our future.
If he opts out, probably Wilson Chandler. Not too many other options. I don't want Rodney Hood or Trevor Ariza for different reasons.
I think that's part of the appeal of Doncic for me, and probably part of the appeal of Porter (assuming they think he's a SF and not a PF) for Vlade:
Those guys fill the SF hole. They would also slot nicely with the guys Vlade has already drafted.
C Cauley-Stein/Koufos
PF GIles/Skal
SF Doncic (or Porter)/Jackson
SG Bogdanovic/Hield
PG Fox/Mason
A full lineup of guys that Vlade drafted or traded for. I do wonder if Vlade still has faith in Willie or if he's ready to throw in the towel on him and his inconsistency. If it was the latter I think we'd see him moved this summer but my hunch is that Divac really wants to see if he'll put together a great season.
But if Bagley is the best prospect (and I have him slightly ahead of Luka) then you take him and figure the rest out.
I think that's part of the appeal of Doncic for me, and probably part of the appeal of Porter (assuming they think he's a SF and not a PF) for Vlade:
Those guys fill the SF hole. They would also slot nicely with the guys Vlade has already drafted.
C Cauley-Stein/Koufos
PF GIles/Skal
SF Doncic (or Porter)/Jackson
SG Bogdanovic/Hield
PG Fox/Mason
A full lineup of guys that Vlade drafted or traded for. I do wonder if Vlade still has faith in Willie or if he's ready to throw in the towel on him and his inconsistency. If it was the latter I think we'd see him moved this summer but my hunch is that Divac really wants to see if he'll put together a great season.
But if Bagley is the best prospect (and I have him slightly ahead of Luka) then you take him and figure the rest out.
I'm a tad wary of Bagley, but I'd easily take him over Porter Jr. The health stuff is too scary.
As far as Bagley goes, I think he has as much bust potential as anyone in the top 5. Not bust as in out of the league when his rookie deal is up, but bust as in he'll just be a garbage man - low end starter or energy bench big who sticks around the league forever. You want way more than that with pick 2.
I know, I know. We'd be picking him up based on his massive potential, like Fox. Because it's totally a given he'll learn to shoot and play defense.
As far as Bagley goes, I think he has as much bust potential as anyone in the top 5. Not bust as in out of the league when his rookie deal is up, but bust as in he'll just be a garbage man - low end starter or energy bench big who sticks around the league forever. You want way more than that with pick 2.
I know, I know. We'd be picking him up based on his massive potential, like Fox. Because it's totally a given he'll learn to shoot and play defense.
I don't think Bagley is really in consideration. I think we have him 3rd on our list based on all the news about Dončić and Porter. I think it's Dončić vs Porter at this point and Bagley to round out the top 3.
We may be considering Porter for trade down scenarios. I really don't know at this point. I can't wait for the draft, it should be interesting at the very least lol.
We may be considering Porter for trade down scenarios. I really don't know at this point. I can't wait for the draft, it should be interesting at the very least lol.
That pretty funny comment in regards to Fox. Yeah he and Bagley are the same. Very athletic and both have to learn to shoot and play defense. If they don’t start to recognize when to switch they are going to look like the keystone cops out there.
Or maybe the sticky finger bandits
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/0522eadc-0c3a-4991-a0ab-234b606a73b0
Or maybe the sticky finger bandits
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/0522eadc-0c3a-4991-a0ab-234b606a73b0
I don't think we have a chance of getting Parker, but if we did, I don't think if matters what you call him position wise. Put him on the floor with Giles and Bagley, and let each of them guard whoever is the best matchup. Parker could play SF on offense, and guard the other teams PF on defense. Bagley is certainly quick enough to guard SF's. How good he'll be on defense remains to be seen. But I don't put a lot of stock in how any of these players, especially one and doner's, played defense in college. Unless of course they excelled at it. Point is, just because they didn't, doesn't mean they can't.
I agree that very few college freshmen are good defenders. Especially highly touted guys who were so athletically superior that they never had to learn fundamentals.
I don't think Bagley will ever be a defensive anchor or rim protector but in time (if he puts in the work) I think he can be a very good individual and help defender and guard guys on the perimeter due to his quickness.
I don't think Bagley will ever be a defensive anchor or rim protector but in time (if he puts in the work) I think he can be a very good individual and help defender and guard guys on the perimeter due to his quickness.
You know, I saw Bagley play in over 20 games, and I'm not going to defend some of his poor defense, but on the few occasions in a game where he got matched up one on one in isolation, he did a decent to good job of keeping his man in front of him. Most of his defensive breakdowns came on switching, or lack of awareness. He got caught ball watching too much as well. My point is, that I think he has the tools to be a good defender, but lacks defensive knowledge and experience. Your not going to find many complicated defensive schemes in highschool and college. Too much zone!
We are in agreement! There's a long list of players whose defense was questioned coming out of college, that turned out to be decent to good defenders in the NBA. How can anyone really judge Trae Young when his coach gave him orders not to get into foul trouble because he was too important to the team. Does that mean he'll be a good defender once unleashed? Probably not, but he probably won't be as bad as everyone thinks either.
Interesting article about Bagley that touches on a lot of topics but focuses a lot on his passion for making hip-hop.
https://www.complex.com/sports/2018...ect-and-rapper-marvin-bagley-is-his-own-breed
https://www.complex.com/sports/2018...ect-and-rapper-marvin-bagley-is-his-own-breed
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