Luka Doncic (pre and post-draft discussion thread)
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Hayward is a much more capable defender than doncic, its not a great comp. I use the Hayward comp only to talk about the Hayward led Jazz teams, thats they type of ituation the kings must avoid at all costs, chances of landing a gobert and mitchell as a quick fix are incredibly low....
There's a huge difference in their levels of polish heading into the NBA. One's an extreme early bloomer the other extreme late bloomer -- Hayward improved every single seasonn to get where he's at.
There's a huge difference in their levels of polish heading into the NBA. One's an extreme early bloomer the other extreme late bloomer -- Hayward improved every single seasonn to get where he's at.
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Does it mean Luka can't improve every single season? I don't know why some people believe Luka has already reached his peak, where do you get this idea from? Just because he's so good at 19 doesn't mean he can't get much much better. Maybe you don't know him or his game very well, but you can clearly see there's so much room for improvement there, and he has the kind of personality that will allow him to constantly get better.
The Doncic-Hayward obsession on this website is making me want to bang my head off the wall. I can't wait until the season actually begins and people completely forget about the garbage comparisons they were so enamoured with over the summer.
Nobody is talking about past comparisons for current players. That's because they're junk and aren't helpful at all.
Nobody is talking about past comparisons for current players. That's because they're junk and aren't helpful at all.
Did i say that he's peaked or can't improve ?? Lol the amount of presumptuous responses i get here in a weeks time is staggering.
Where did i get the idea that Luka's an early bloomer? Do i really need to explain this?
Hayward was very bad early on compared to what Doncic will be IIRC he shot 26% FG's in his first playoff series vs the spurs. Like I said I dont think its a good comp, Hayward was very thin at 19 their not the same.
For Luka to maintain an improvement trajectory anywhere close to Hayward will be quite difficult tho, as Luka's defensive ceiling is lower..
Where did i get the idea that Luka's an early bloomer? Do i really need to explain this?
Hayward was very bad early on compared to what Doncic will be IIRC he shot 26% FG's in his first playoff series vs the spurs. Like I said I dont think its a good comp, Hayward was very thin at 19 their not the same.
For Luka to maintain an improvement trajectory anywhere close to Hayward will be quite difficult tho, as Luka's defensive ceiling is lower..
They´re both white and 6-8 , that´s all.Luka has better wingspan/bigger standing reach and 20 lbs more comparing him to sophomore Gordon.
Hayward 30.5 (no step vertical jump)and 34.5 (maximum vertical jump) is not anything amazing.Also bigger hands.
And playing styles are totally different.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/duncdon/2018/06/12/luka-doncic-scouting-report-mem-offseason-outlook
Dunc on scouting report.Positives,negatives.Possible outcome.
Hayward 30.5 (no step vertical jump)and 34.5 (maximum vertical jump) is not anything amazing.Also bigger hands.
And playing styles are totally different.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/duncdon/2018/06/12/luka-doncic-scouting-report-mem-offseason-outlook
Dunc on scouting report.Positives,negatives.Possible outcome.
@stevekylerNBA: I don't think Luka is out of the picture, I just don't think the Kings (or Hawks) see him as having the upside some… https://t.co/XI52u7vHDL
Yeah, and I don't give that bolded part much importance, as my original post explained. The other stuff I pay more attention to. As far as improvement, I would think he would improve. The question is how much he will improve. As I've previously said, athletic young guys typically have more upside because their skills haven't caught up with their athletic potential. Doncic is a 7 out of 10 on an athletic/quickness scale, which usually does not imply a great upside.
Sorry for double post but get hype 
He needs to be able to create his shot better at the next level. Too many step backs
The DraftExpress/ESPN videos have been especially good this year IMO.
The more I watch Doncic the more he reminds me of a jumbo sized D'Angelo Russell.
That's not necessarily a bad thing as Russell was a legit #2 pick and a lot of his issues (IMO) were attitude and/or between the ears which I don't worry about with Luka but it does concern me in terms of Doncic's potential upside.
The more I watch Doncic the more he reminds me of a jumbo sized D'Angelo Russell.
That's not necessarily a bad thing as Russell was a legit #2 pick and a lot of his issues (IMO) were attitude and/or between the ears which I don't worry about with Luka but it does concern me in terms of Doncic's potential upside.
Yes he is, but even if he were healthy and reached his peak, is he worth the #2 pick in this draft?
That's what I'm struggling with.
I don't think anyone would argue that Doncic has the highest ceiling in this draft. He arguably has the highest floor but Ayton, Bamba, Bagley, Jackson and even Porter could be said to have a higher possible outcome as a player. Who is the most likely to reach their ceiling though?
That's what I'm struggling with.
I don't think anyone would argue that Doncic has the highest ceiling in this draft. He arguably has the highest floor but Ayton, Bamba, Bagley, Jackson and even Porter could be said to have a higher possible outcome as a player. Who is the most likely to reach their ceiling though?
That's a good prospect for prospect comp. I think what will help Doncic in the NBA compared to Russell is his size. +3in +30lbs. Just playing SF instead of PG will help cover some of his athletic limitations whereas Russell can't get away with it playing PG/SG against quick guards.
man oh man, you got a bunch of disappointments in the 2015 draft. They're all still young, but there's a bunch of guys who just haven't scratched the surface in terms of their ceiling: Russell, Okafor, Hezonja, Mudiay, Johnson, Kaminsky, Winslow, Lyles, and Payne. These are all lotto guys. For all the crap people give 2016, 2015 is looking worse with a bunch of disappointments right now.
man oh man, you got a bunch of disappointments in the 2015 draft. They're all still young, but there's a bunch of guys who just haven't scratched the surface in terms of their ceiling: Russell, Okafor, Hezonja, Mudiay, Johnson, Kaminsky, Winslow, Lyles, and Payne. These are all lotto guys. For all the crap people give 2016, 2015 is looking worse with a bunch of disappointments right now.
Yeah, you had KAT and Porzingis at the top and Booker & Myles Turner at the end of the lottery but not much else. WCS doesn't look like a bad pick in hindsight.
And NBAdraft.net still just has the worst player comparisons. KAT is Andrew Bogut? Porzingis is Bargnani? Turner is Erick Dampier? Mudiay is John Wall? It's fine to overrate or underrate a guy but a lot of their comparisons flat out make no sense.
https://hoopshype.com/2015/06/25/nba-draft-2015-pick-by-pick/
And NBAdraft.net still just has the worst player comparisons. KAT is Andrew Bogut? Porzingis is Bargnani? Turner is Erick Dampier? Mudiay is John Wall? It's fine to overrate or underrate a guy but a lot of their comparisons flat out make no sense.
https://hoopshype.com/2015/06/25/nba-draft-2015-pick-by-pick/
Have you seen James Harden play? Slow death by a million stepback jumpers, free throws, and passes out to the wing is exactly how he played his way to 30/9/5 and a (likely) MVP award this year and that describes Doncic's game perfectly as well. People want to act like Harden is some kind of super athlete that Luka will never compare to and yeah he had pretty good testing numbers at the combine but his .449/.367/.858 shooting splits this year aren't at all unattainable. If you give Doncic the same 20 shots a game and free reign to run the offense I don't see why he can't come somewhere close to what Harden is doing.
In the past I would have been nervous about his ability to defend wings in the NBA as well but who is Harden defending? Who is Curry locking up? Nobody is winning a championship without elite offense right now. And aside from a couple dominant shot blockers, individual defense is not that important in the pace and space era. Yes I would love to have two way players at every position but this is the year we've got the #2 pick. Nobody on the board (with the possible exceptions of Trae Young and DeAndre Ayton) is capable of creating offense as well as Doncic can.
In the past I would have been nervous about his ability to defend wings in the NBA as well but who is Harden defending? Who is Curry locking up? Nobody is winning a championship without elite offense right now. And aside from a couple dominant shot blockers, individual defense is not that important in the pace and space era. Yes I would love to have two way players at every position but this is the year we've got the #2 pick. Nobody on the board (with the possible exceptions of Trae Young and DeAndre Ayton) is capable of creating offense as well as Doncic can.
It also describes D'Angelo Russell. Results will vary with all players. Like I've said before, not a fan of the step back shots. You're also over simplifying Harden's MVP campaign. You're seriously suggesting that if we give Doncic 20 shots a game plus free reign to the offense, he could be a 30-9-5 MVP candidate who carries his team to the WCF? come on man. All I said was I don't like him taking those step-back jumpers. He's a 6'8 230lb SF. For being that big and strong, your scoring shouldn't be relied upon step-back 3pters.
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