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My guess is he is a roster filler in anticipation of a trade. His salary is only 900k and he is a wing player where we already have so many. I'm guessing a trade is coming where we will take in a lot of salary and send out a few wing players.
This entire offseason I've been thinking that Vlade is playing chess while my brain is trying to process checkers
This entire offseason I've been thinking that Vlade is playing chess while my brain is trying to process checkers
Yeah, he didn't exactly dazzle last year.
BUT, here's the thing:
-- he can handle and create as a SG, something I think we may be valuing in a ball movement offense (and which dooms Ben)
-- he's long and solidly built (almost Tyreke size and length) and will give you defensive effort. Again traits I think we are prioritizing.
Just not explosive at all. Pure roleplayer potential at best. But as far as flavor it would still fit into adding tough physical guys to our mix, albeit possibly as a 15th man that will barely play. Figure even if this is a warmup to trading Ben and/or Rudy, Afflalo/Malachi/Omri/Barnes/Temple would all still be above him on the depth chart.
BUT, here's the thing:
-- he can handle and create as a SG, something I think we may be valuing in a ball movement offense (and which dooms Ben)
-- he's long and solidly built (almost Tyreke size and length) and will give you defensive effort. Again traits I think we are prioritizing.
Just not explosive at all. Pure roleplayer potential at best. But as far as flavor it would still fit into adding tough physical guys to our mix, albeit possibly as a 15th man that will barely play. Figure even if this is a warmup to trading Ben and/or Rudy, Afflalo/Malachi/Omri/Barnes/Temple would all still be above him on the depth chart.
I take it that Point Guard is no longer an important position for the Kings!
We are just filling the roster with every position, except point guard!
Vlade, how about we pick up a point guard here at some point?
We are just filling the roster with every position, except point guard!
Vlade, how about we pick up a point guard here at some point?
Pretty sure our PG position isn't going to cost us any real games for another three months. Plenty of time for eggs to hatch.
I think you're missing the plan here.
Grit n Grind has come to Sacto.
Joerger is a bit like Bill Musselman in a way (Bill, not his dolt son). Worked his way up through every armpit minor league in America coaching scrubs and roleplayers and getting them to bear down, to grind out wins. Then joined the grittiest and grindiest franchise in the NBA. took over as coach with an aging unathletic crew, and again got his roleplayers to bear down and grind, hung on to a playoff spot last year with random roleplayers of every description filling most of his roster. This is his M.O. Sign guys who will bust their ass and play right, as opposed to sloppy or undisciplined talents.
Now what has amazed me is:
a) people have to leave Vivek alone now. You suspected it last year, but this summer is making it completely obvious that he must have learned his lesson. This all flies completely in the face of his limited basketball experience, is a complete 180 from jazz-ball and the pace that fired Malone. He has obviously turned things completely over to Vlade
b) Vlade himself, anybody who doesn't respect his work by this time is somebody who isn't paying attention. There are hints of Euro-flavor, but despite what I would speculate might be a preference for Princetonesque big man centric ball, this is a unique GM who appears to be absolutely in tune with his coaches. He has had two wildly different coaches, and rather than put together rosters according to his, the GM's instincts, he has put together radically different rosters apparently catered to those individual coaches.
So we are making the unsexiest moves possible, because our coach is unsexy, and our playstyle is apparently going to be unsexy. Unsexy but gritty. Tough roleplayers fighting for every possession, and then just a sprinkle of talent to try to provide us separation. Its an entirely different theory of roster construction than accumulate as much talent as you can and then try to meld the disparate parts together.
Grit n Grind has come to Sacto.
Joerger is a bit like Bill Musselman in a way (Bill, not his dolt son). Worked his way up through every armpit minor league in America coaching scrubs and roleplayers and getting them to bear down, to grind out wins. Then joined the grittiest and grindiest franchise in the NBA. took over as coach with an aging unathletic crew, and again got his roleplayers to bear down and grind, hung on to a playoff spot last year with random roleplayers of every description filling most of his roster. This is his M.O. Sign guys who will bust their ass and play right, as opposed to sloppy or undisciplined talents.
Now what has amazed me is:
a) people have to leave Vivek alone now. You suspected it last year, but this summer is making it completely obvious that he must have learned his lesson. This all flies completely in the face of his limited basketball experience, is a complete 180 from jazz-ball and the pace that fired Malone. He has obviously turned things completely over to Vlade
b) Vlade himself, anybody who doesn't respect his work by this time is somebody who isn't paying attention. There are hints of Euro-flavor, but despite what I would speculate might be a preference for Princetonesque big man centric ball, this is a unique GM who appears to be absolutely in tune with his coaches. He has had two wildly different coaches, and rather than put together rosters according to his, the GM's instincts, he has put together radically different rosters apparently catered to those individual coaches.
So we are making the unsexiest moves possible, because our coach is unsexy, and our playstyle is apparently going to be unsexy. Unsexy but gritty. Tough roleplayers fighting for every possession, and then just a sprinkle of talent to try to provide us separation. Its an entirely different theory of roster construction than accumulate as much talent as you can and then try to meld the disparate parts together.
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BTW, we had a discussion of length in another thread somewhere, and how it can be disruptive defensively.
This is no accident:
Players likely remaining (we'll see if any of Rudy/Ben/Kosta make it):
Cousins 7'5.75"
Cauley-Stein 7'3"
Casspi 6'9.25"
Collison 6'3"
Moreland? 7'3.5"
Players incoming:
Temple (unlisted, but very long, likely 6'11"+)
Barnes 6'9"
Afflalo 6'9"
Tolliver 7'2.5"
Patterson 6'11"
Richardson 7'0"
Labissiere 7'2.5"
Papagiannis (unlisted, but 7'1" tall)
Cousins 6'625"
you set aside Cousins the Twerpier, who was a late 2nd round pick who might easily not stick, and Collison, who is the lone mini and not 100% guaranteed really, and basically every other player we have acquired or will likely keep is long. Barnes and Afflalo maybe just slightly above average for their sizes, and then long, long, long. If you want to disrupt the other team's offense, defensive length is a good place to start. Cut off passing lanes, challenge shots, get hands or fingertips on everything.
Edit: oops, forgot Omri. Omri is tall, but not long for that height. And not surprisingly part of our offense-first past.
This is no accident:
Players likely remaining (we'll see if any of Rudy/Ben/Kosta make it):
Cousins 7'5.75"
Cauley-Stein 7'3"
Casspi 6'9.25"
Collison 6'3"
Moreland? 7'3.5"
Players incoming:
Temple (unlisted, but very long, likely 6'11"+)
Barnes 6'9"
Afflalo 6'9"
Tolliver 7'2.5"
Patterson 6'11"
Richardson 7'0"
Labissiere 7'2.5"
Papagiannis (unlisted, but 7'1" tall)
Cousins 6'625"
you set aside Cousins the Twerpier, who was a late 2nd round pick who might easily not stick, and Collison, who is the lone mini and not 100% guaranteed really, and basically every other player we have acquired or will likely keep is long. Barnes and Afflalo maybe just slightly above average for their sizes, and then long, long, long. If you want to disrupt the other team's offense, defensive length is a good place to start. Cut off passing lanes, challenge shots, get hands or fingertips on everything.
Edit: oops, forgot Omri. Omri is tall, but not long for that height. And not surprisingly part of our offense-first past.
Looks pretty solid. Can make plays off the dribble and handle it. Doesn't hesitate to take the open jumper so that is a good sign. Looks like a much less athletic Dion Waiters who knows his role/limitations. Only 24 so maybe a diamond in the rough. The few people I found on NBA Twitter reacting to this were positive about it so there's that. If he sticks ,a deep bench option at the 2-3. However Joerger mentioned he will us Barnes more as a 4 so this seems like a wing depth move behind Omri, Afflalo, Temple and yes fits the "Joerger haul" we got this summer. Just waiting for the Rudy shoe to drop to start getting a final estimate on the roster.
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I think Joerger is going away from Memphis Grit n Grind offense. Pretty evident when the reports about him wanting to play at a faster pace...
Matt Barnes at the 4 though??? Karl wouldn't even do that..... If we're talking about Harrison Barnes, it makes a lot of sense, but Matt Barnes can't play the 4.. that's insane.
I guess we are going small ball with everyone else in the NBA.
Matt Barnes at the 4 though??? Karl wouldn't even do that..... If we're talking about Harrison Barnes, it makes a lot of sense, but Matt Barnes can't play the 4.. that's insane.
I guess we are going small ball with everyone else in the NBA.