Free Agency

I think you're pessimist glass is damn thick mi amigo. Temple had a good run as a two way wing player in DC, Affalo is reliable contributor except when he moved to NY. Tolliver was decent in Minny as well as was even challenging playing against to young bigs. These players bring in their heart every night. I would say solid 2 way players because these guys bring in the defense but knows their role on offense.

I am not comparing these to Lebron, which I believe what makes your nerves irk. Lebron is a super star 2 way player.
you and I share different views of what is considered a "two way" player then...not separating them whether it's a super star two way player or a role player two way player
 
The Kings are not a 33 win team. Caron Butler confirmed that they pretty much gave up on the season after Karl popped up after the all star break
They also don't have the capability of just turning a switch on and off when they so choose. They don't have the team, continuity or chemistry to achieve that.
 
Ehhhh.. Not excited about these moves at all. We have no offense right now. Guarantee we will go right back to the worst shooting team, and 3pt shooting in the NBA and I wouldn't be surprised if we were the lowest assist team either. I assume McLemore, and Gay are on the block though so lets hope they bring in a decent SG.
That's really the best thing we can hope for right now. Either that or just keep Rudy so he can help Cousins out on the scoring side of things if there are no other viable options available via trade at this time.
 
Doug Christie was 30 when he played his first season with the Kings.

For that matter, Rondo will start next season as a 30 year old. Barnes is a stopgap at the end of his career but he's a great stopgap to have. Temple, Afflalo & Tolliver will still be in their primes when their Kings contracts end.

And if Bogdonavic comes over that's four rookies (five if Cousins is sent to Reno to develop) so there's plenty of youth too.
Yeah i dont know about everyone else, but stockpiling nothing but youth and assets only gets you so far. Its not always the best plan

We seem to be trying to create a balance here.
 

Bricklayer

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Matt Barnes: 38% FG 36 years old
Anthony Tolliver: 39% FG 31 years old
Affalo: 44% FGs 30 years old
Temple: 40% FGs 30 years old

Four players 30 years or older combined to shoot about 41%.....PATHETIC. If more than two of them are in the 10 man rotation we are going nowhere. Could have had an exciting two way player in Crabbe coming into his prime for less than the costs of these over-the-hill journeymen. And Barnes is a dirty player with a rap sheet. This team might be a decent team that wins 90-85 but it is going to heck of boring. I hope KD goes to BOS with Isaiah so I can have a second favorite team that doesn't put me to sleep.

Improving the defense is fine, but when you get stops you go down to the other end of the floor with 40% shooters you miss too. Like I contended before start of last year, adding Rondo was concerning because Boogie's usage did NOT need to go up. It needed to go DOWN so his efficiency could go up. With DC back as the starter that will help and having a SG with a clue, but this is not a team that is going to light up the scoreboard. Surround Big Cuz with more guy who struggle to score, his usage stays at astronomical rate with poor assist to turnover rate and the team with be lucky to win 35 games no matter how much defense they play.

The Kings need home run of a trade to add scoring if they choose to move Rudy. I like McDermott and Mirotic for Rudy but doubt we could get them, and even adding those guys leaves you without a legit #2 scorer. I kind of wonder if the Kings are not just setting themselves up for when the day comes it is time to trade Boogie, not wanting to restrain cap flexibility until then....the reset button comes when he is shipped, until then make some of the nickel and dime moves until inevitability occurs.

Then again two destination spots, BOS and ORL got their new big, Horford and Dwight. Cousins will be on this team next year shooting it just as much, probably complaining as much too. My hope is Papa, Trill and maybe another player step forward as fan favorites, but a domestic violence case, and trading one of the most UNLIKABLE players in the league (Barnes) for one of the most LIKABLE players in the league (Seth) adds insult to injury. Not only is the team unlikely to improve much, they are going to harder to root for.

I give Vlade a B+ for the draft. I give him a D for free agency. I look forward to being proven wrong and will be first to admit so if these free agents become reputable contributors. The only justifiable basis for such an underwhelming haul is other players (Crabbe, Lee, Anderson) just didn't want to come here...and so we were left to add guys 25 teams out of 30 teams would have NO interest in, even with unlimited space. When you adding players of this ilk, the ceiling is bumping against your head before you get out of your chair.
Matt Barnes: 38% FG 36 years old
Anthony Tolliver: 39% FG 31 years old
Affalo: 44% FGs 30 years old
Temple: 40% FGs 30 years old

Those 4 guys took a combined 2329FGs last year. 1138 of them were 3ptrs. 48.86% of their shots were threes.

These are the proverbial 3&D type guys, Some more 3, some more D. None of them should revolutionize a team, but taken together, with more changes still to come, and given a strong defensive coach, its a big step toward a culture change.
 
I'd be interested to see if we could make a deal with the Nuggets. They have Barton & Harris at SG and just drafted Murray & Beasley as well. Not to mention they have Gallinari & Chandler at SF.

I'd be curious to see if we could make a deal to bring Harris here? I don't think Denver would be all that interested in our guys (Gay/Koufos/McLemore) so another team would have to be brought in to give them the assets they are looking for, but he would be a guy that fits with some of the players we have been acquiring lately (defensive, hard working, unselfish)

I like Harris a lot & think he could be an Eric Gordon type player but without the injuries & good defense (thinking #3 scorer on a great team). I think him paired with Bogdanovic when he comes over would be a very, very solid SG rotation.

Hopefully, we can be a competitive team with minimal drama this season and make us more attractive next offseason. With Vlade keeping a lot of flexibility, we could target guys like Lowry, Holiday, Teague, G. Hill, & Collison at PG & Hayward, Porter, & Casspi at SF.

PG - Teague/CJ Watson/Temple
SG - Harris/Bogdanovic/Richardson
SF - Porter/Casspi/Barnes
PF - Cauley-Stein/Labissiere
C - Cousins/Papagiannis

Something like that could be a special team depending on how the young talent develops.
 
I would say it's safe to keep Rudy at this point. But I don't know if Vlade really wants to stand by Collison as starter at this point, given the off-court personal issue he have recently.
So I would bring in a case of Deron Williams back to the table this point.
His ego has been in check after Brooklyn and he's best would still be playing with a big like Cousin, IMO.
When he was in Utah he was right there with CP3 for the best PG in the league.
 

Bricklayer

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I'd be interested to see if we could make a deal with the Nuggets. They have Barton & Harris at SG and just drafted Murray & Beasley as well. Not to mention they have Gallinari & Chandler at SF.

I'd be curious to see if we could make a deal to bring Harris here? I don't think Denver would be all that interested in our guys (Gay/Koufos/McLemore) so another team would have to be brought in to give them the assets they are looking for, but he would be a guy that fits with some of the players we have been acquiring lately (defensive, hard working, unselfish)

I like Harris a lot & think he could be an Eric Gordon type player but without the injuries & good defense (thinking #3 scorer on a great team). I think him paired with Bogdanovic when he comes over would be a very, very solid SG rotation.

Hopefully, we can be a competitive team with minimal drama this season and make us more attractive next offseason. With Vlade keeping a lot of flexibility, we could target guys like Lowry, Holiday, Teague, G. Hill, & Collison at PG & Hayward, Porter, & Casspi at SF.

PG - Teague/CJ Watson/Temple
SG - Harris/Bogdanovic/Richardson
SF - Porter/Casspi/Barnes
PF - Cauley-Stein/Labissiere
C - Cousins/Papagiannis

Something like that could be a special team depending on how the young talent develops.
Er...our first big move was to sign Afflalo. Don't think we are still SG hunting. In fact kind of the opposite. Wouldn't be surprised to see Ben headed out now.
 

Bricklayer

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I would say it's safe to keep Rudy at this point. But I don't know if Vlade really wants to stand by Collison as starter at this point, given the off-court personal issue he have recently.
So I would bring in a case of Deron Williams back to the table this point.
His ego has been in check after Brooklyn and he's best would still be playing with a big like Cousin, IMO.
When he was in Utah he was right there with CP3 for the best PG in the league.
No way to do that, even if we wanted to, which I would imagine we don't.

Burned though our cap room at this point, so the rest of the tweaking will have to be through trade.
 
So really, all these moves point to one thing, we are building a grit and grind type of team which will hopefully rebuild the culture and allow us to become a better destination for other players.

I don't mind that but would like to have a scorer that can create off the dribble IF we trade Rudy. Cousins alone won't be able to do it.
Perfectly stated
 
Well Barnes and Casspi overlap as hustle combo forwards, a nice defense and shooting platoon. With Butler bringing the rear, they can cover the forward spots next to the bigs.
Talent wise losing Gay would be a drop off, but if he and Koufous can be turned into a legit PG, this could be interesting
 
So here's where I'm at this offseason.

We've hit a lot of singles and loaded the bases. Barnes, Temple, Afflalo and Tolliver can all help in different ways. But we need a home-run (Like a Bledsoe, Knight or Rubio) to really put us in the playoff picture next year.

Bledsoe || Collison
Afflalo || Temple
Casspi || Barnes
WCS || Tolliver || Skal
Cousins || Koufos || PapaG

That's a team I would buy into to being able to win some ball-games next season under Joerger.
 
So here's where I'm at this offseason.

We've hit a lot of singles and loaded the bases. Barnes, Temple, Afflalo and Tolliver can all help in different ways. But we need a home-run (Like a Bledsoe, Knight or Rubio) to really put us in the playoff picture next year.

Bledsoe || Collison
Afflalo || Temple
Casspi || Barnes
WCS || Tolliver || Skal
Cousins || Koufos || PapaG

That's a team I would buy into to being able to win some ball-games next season under Joerger.

Yeah we need that Blockbuster trade...waiting and waiting...or should I say praying and praying... Trying not to get too excited though
 

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That's 118 points. 10 man rotation using last seasons ppg this rotation does NOT include McLemore, butler, or the rookies.
 
Rubio can't shoot. But he can get to the line at a good rate and hit his free throws. And gosh darn it, I've liked him since his draft year.

And a healthy Eric Bledsoe is so explosive, he's the kind of player you need to contend with those elite pgs.

These are the kind of flawed prospects a team like this needs to take a chance on. Plus KK and Gay are now bargain priced NBA quality players...

I'm getting my hopes up now...
 
Better yet, maybe a 3 team deal?

Chicago Gets: Rudy Gay, Ben McLemore, & Kings 2017 1st (Protection lowered to top 3)
Denver Gets: Doug McDermott & Bulls 2017 2nd
Sacramento Gets: Gary Harris, Nikola Mirotic, & Jose Calderon

And then follow it up by dealing Koufos for a late 1st rounder to a team who missed out on the defensive bigs this offseason? (gives us another young asset to bring in and develop while not needing really anymore big man depth)

PG - Collison/Calderon/Temple
SG - Harris/Afflalo/Richardson
SF - Casspi/Barnes/Butler
PF - Cauley-Stein/Mirotic/Tolliver/Labissiere
C - Cousins/Papagiannis

Then next year you have around $64 mil in cap space (not counting Mirotic's qualifying offer, Bogdanovic coming over, & the pick we got for Koufos) with these guaranteed contracts:

PG - Temple
SG - Harris/Richardson
SF - Barnes
PF - Cauley-Stein/Labissiere
C - Cousins/Papagiannis

Again, Lowry, Holiday, Teague, G. Hill, Hayward, & Porter would be my FA targets and even Collison, Casspi, & Mirotic would be guys I would probably want to bring back as well (depending on who else we could get). Signing Hayward, signing G. Hill, signing Bogdanovic, resigning Mirotic, & resigning Collison would leave us looking like a very strong team.

PG - G. Hill / Collison / Temple
SG - Harris / Bogdanovic / Richardson
SF - Hayward / Barnes
PF - Cauley-Stein / Mirotic / Labissiere
C - Cousins / Papagiannis
 
Er...our first big move was to sign Afflalo. Don't think we are still SG hunting. In fact kind of the opposite. Wouldn't be surprised to see Ben headed out now.
Er...I don't think Afflalo is a long term solution at SG considering he's practically on a 1 year deal, but feel free to neglect the future...

Like I said, Harris & Bogdanovic would be a very potent SG guard rotation in the following year if Bogdanovic lives up to the hype. He's even able to play a little SF with his size allowing both Harris & Bogdanovic to get big minutes (if they deserve it).

Do you have something against acquiring a 22 year old SG that had a TS% of 57% last year while being known as a feisty defender/hard worker? Is Afflalo really preventing you from wanting a guy like Harris on your team?

Look I understand we have Afflalo, McLemore, Richardson, & Temple, but my latest scenario that includes the 3 way deal with Chicago solves the SG logjam that you are hinting at. If you can acquire an asset or two like Harris while giving up an expiring Gay, you do it. Harris can help the scoring load which should help makeup for Gay's contribution (not to mention Collison, Afflalo, Casspi, & Mirotic chipping in as well). So you have Gay's scoring contribution handled across multiple players for this year, and you picked up a couple young, long term assets while Gay would walk next year for free.
 
Better yet, maybe a 3 team deal?

Chicago Gets: Rudy Gay, Ben McLemore, & Kings 2017 1st (Protection lowered to top 3)
Denver Gets: Doug McDermott & Bulls 2017 2nd
Sacramento Gets: Gary Harris, Nikola Mirotic, & Jose Calderon

And then follow it up by dealing Koufos for a late 1st rounder to a team who missed out on the defensive bigs this offseason? (gives us another young asset to bring in and develop while not needing really anymore big man depth)

PG - Collison/Calderon/Temple
SG - Harris/Afflalo/Richardson
SF - Casspi/Barnes/Butler
PF - Cauley-Stein/Mirotic/Tolliver/Labissiere
C - Cousins/Papagiannis

Then next year you have around $64 mil in cap space (not counting Mirotic's qualifying offer, Bogdanovic coming over, & the pick we got for Koufos) with these guaranteed contracts:

PG - Temple
SG - Harris/Richardson
SF - Barnes
PF - Cauley-Stein/Labissiere
C - Cousins/Papagiannis

Again, Lowry, Holiday, Teague, G. Hill, Hayward, & Porter would be my FA targets and even Collison, Casspi, & Mirotic would be guys I would probably want to bring back as well (depending on who else we could get). Signing Hayward, signing G. Hill, signing Bogdanovic, resigning Mirotic, & resigning Collison would leave us looking like a very strong team.

PG - G. Hill / Collison / Temple
SG - Harris / Bogdanovic / Richardson
SF - Hayward / Barnes
PF - Cauley-Stein / Mirotic / Labissiere
C - Cousins / Papagiannis
I don't see a Rudy trade without a third team being involved, this is a nice proposed trade too.