Joerger building staff

[VF21]

(Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 5m5 minutes ago
The latest assistant coaching chatter ... if that's your game: Indiana is in pursuit of Bill Bayno for Nate McMillan's bench, while ...)

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 1m1 minute ago
While Dave Joerger lasers in on Elston Turner and Bryan Gates for his first Kings staff with holdovers Corliss Willamson and Nancy Lieberman

 

[ParniValjak]

Wasn't Gates one of our assistants a few years ago?

 

[Bricklayer]

Gates is the ? there -- he has actually been through Sacramento before, as an assistant beneath dear Paul Westphal.

Fortunately it was during Tyreke's rookie year and he was gone before Cousins arrived.

 

[VF21]

Just doing a cursory Google, it looks as though Gates has a lot in common with Joerger in terms of background, experience, style, etc. I'm not going to have much of a problem if he does come back...I'm still hoping for Doug Christie to be added as a defensive specialist, however.

 

[funkykingston]

Just doing a cursory Google, it looks as though Gates has a lot in common with Joerger in terms of background, experience, style, etc. I'm not going to have much of a problem if he does come back...I'm still hoping for Doug Christie to be added as a defensive specialist, however.

I'd love Doug as an assistant but I'm guessing Turner will be the lead assistant and "defensive coordinator".

 

[LPKingsFan]

Was wondering when we'd hear more rumblings about the staff. The Joerger hire happened so quicky and then... silence.

Saw a couple days ago that Bzdelik, who was on the bench with Joerger in Memphis, turned down an assistant spot here for "personal reasons" (link).

 

[RussoTuristo]

I remember Bryan Gates was portrayed as a super star minor league coach with a bright future in NBA when we hired him years ago. I do not know why he left Sacramento so soon. People believed he had a HC potential some day somewhere but I think he developed into a players development coach (second or third assistant type) in NBA.

I think he is a solid hire.

 

[SacTownKid]

Maybe even Gates was like F this Paul Westphal guy.

 

[fansinceday1]

A couple weeks ago the afternoon show on KHTK was talking about the reason why the Kings were going to keep Lieberman on as an assistant,
Because they didn't want the bad pub of firing one of the only 2 female assistants in the league. I haven't heard anything else about this. I hope this was just a rumor because it would really suck to bog down our new coach with coaches he doesn't want.

 

[King Baller]

A couple weeks ago the afternoon show on KHTK was talking about the reason why the Kings were going to keep Lieberman on as an assistant,
Because they didn't want the bad pub of firing one of the only 2 female assistants in the league. I haven't heard anything else about this. I hope this was just a rumor because it would really suck to bog down our new coach with coaches he doesn't want.

Nancy and Corliss were working out the players in the Kings first pre-draft work outs. The impression I get from Joerger is that he tends to be inclusive and I think both are part of the Kings "Family"

Link to workouts--> http://www.nba.com/kings/kings-pdw-52416

 

[206Fan]

A couple weeks ago the afternoon show on KHTK was talking about the reason why the Kings were going to keep Lieberman on as an assistant,
Because they didn't want the bad pub of firing one of the only 2 female assistants in the league. I haven't heard anything else about this. I hope this was just a rumor because it would really suck to bog down our new coach with coaches he doesn't want.

If Joegs doesn't want her as part of his staff, I think we should just demote her instead of firing. It'll look extremely bad on the Kings' part, but I think she's a good coach, but maybe not a fit for Joegs. I wouldn't mind her being a part of our player development and scouting.

 

[VF21]

A couple weeks ago the afternoon show on KHTK was talking about the reason why the Kings were going to keep Lieberman on as an assistant,
Because they didn't want the bad pub of firing one of the only 2 female assistants in the league. I haven't heard anything else about this. I hope this was just a rumor because it would really suck to bog down our new coach with coaches he doesn't want.

If Joegs doesn't want her as part of his staff, I think we should just demote her instead of firing. It'll look extremely bad on the Kings' part, but I think she's a good coach, but maybe not a fit for Joegs. I wouldn't mind her being a part of our player development and scouting.

Those comments are about as sexist as any I've seen.

She doesn't want a freaking job because of her gender. If she remains on the staff, it will be because she's freaking good at her job.

 

[fansinceday1]

Those comments are about as sexist as any I've seen.

She doesn't want a freaking job because of her gender. If she remains on the staff, it will be because she's freaking good at her job.

Sexist or not, you know the kings would catch hell for firing her. I think it sucks that that would enter into their thinking but in todays world its just the norm.

 

[Spike]

Sexist or not, you know the kings would catch hell for firing her. I think it sucks that that would enter into their thinking but in todays world its just the norm.

I disagree. If she's not fit to coach, she'd be out. Her background is just as good, if not better, than many assistant coaches out there.

 

[macadocious]

Don't forget Boogie and Rondo like her. I think Gay does too.

 

[Sac.1989]

I disagree. If she's not fit to coach, she'd be out. Her background is just as good, if not better, than many assistant coaches out there.

agreed.

id discredit anyone who had a go at us for letting go of an assistant coach under an old regime.

 

[gunks]

Didn't Karl want her fired?

If Karl didn't like her, she must be worth keeping around!

 

[King Baller]

Nancy and Corliss are Pro's. Both were good players in their own right. Corliss won sixth man of the year and a championship. Nancy still holds records at Old Dominion where she won championships and the nickname "Lady Magic". Both also have years of coaching experience. They are basketball people and that is what the Kings need. Since Corliss was with the Kings prior to Karl and Nancy was at odds with Karl I see no reason why they would not stay in Sacramento.

 

[John Galt]

internet opinions are worth what you pay for them.

internet opinions on the value of this or that assistant coach ... worth much less.

leave it up to Dave 100% imo.

 

[kingsboi]

I don't see any issue with leaving Corliss and Nancy on the team if Joerger feels they deserve it. He is the man in charge now and I feel those two have showed that they belong in someway, just because you bring in a new head coach does not always mean you have to revamp the entire coaching staff. There are always some gems that can be found under a rock somewhere

 

[pshn80]

Nancy and Corliss are Pro's. Both were good players in their own right. Corliss won sixth man of the year and a championship. Nancy still holds records at Old Dominion where she won championships and the nickname "Lady Magic". Both also have years of coaching experience. They are basketball people and that is what the Kings need. Since Corliss was with the Kings prior to Karl and Nancy was at odds with Karl I see no reason why they would not stay in Sacramento.

I agree with your thoughts but I do hope that Joerger's approval and whole hearted support is solicited and obtained.
Remember that Nancy/Vivek's personal friendship was cited as a problem in the past. That can be an unhealthy thing for the coach and his subordinate, professional or not.

 

[kingsboi]

I agree with your thoughts but I do hope that Joerger's approval and whole hearted support is solicited and obtained.
Remember that Nancy/Vivek's personal friendship was cited as a problem in the past. That can be an unhealthy thing for the coach and his subordinate, professional or not.

I think we need to get over the fact that they are still here for a reason, I don't want to assume that Nancy is sticking around just because she is a woman and rather she is around because the players support her and she knows a little bit about basketball. This drawing straws from the air action hasn't gotten us anywhere. Vivek has stepped aside, so it seems and has allowed Vlade to do his own thing. Joerger in the mean time has his own choice of assistants to put beside him and if that so happens to be Corliss and Nancy, then it's his own doing, not anyone else.

 

[John Galt]

I think we need to get over the fact that they are still here for a reason, I don't want to assume that Nancy is sticking around just because she is a woman and rather she is around because the players support her and she knows a little bit about basketball. This drawing straws from the air action hasn't gotten us anywhere. Vivek has stepped aside, so it seems and has allowed Vlade to do his own thing. Joerger in the mean time has his own choice of assistants to put beside him and if that so happens to be Corliss and Nancy, then it's his own doing, not anyone else.

I agree. But you know our favorite reporter Aileen speculated that Vivek forced Vlade to abandon his deliberate coaching search and grab Joerger because he was the one most likely to let DeMarcus stay fat and mean to reporters who look like Howard Stern. So... if Aileen is right, Vivek hasn't stepped back. But come on... that was the craziest zaniest off the wall take from Aileen among many so... yeah I am very very happy with Vivek Ranadive now. He seems like a smart smart guy who is always learning. Hasn't been any wackiness from him in a long time since really the pic with the R2D2 security robots.

 

[pshn80]

I think we need to get over the fact that they are still here for a reason, I don't want to assume that Nancy is sticking around just because she is a woman and rather she is around because the players support her and she knows a little bit about basketball. This drawing straws from the air action hasn't gotten us anywhere. Vivek has stepped aside, so it seems and has allowed Vlade to do his own thing. Joerger in the mean time has his own choice of assistants to put beside him and if that so happens to be Corliss and Nancy, then it's his own doing, not anyone else.

So you agree with me that it has to be Joerger's decision?

 

[kingsboi]

So you agree with me that it has to be Joerger's decision?

100 percent. If Corliss and Nancy are still here, that tells me he likes what they bring to the table and therefore will be in his ear all season long. Maybe this time around, Nancy won't be sitting behind all the men and have a front seat.

 

[gunks]

I agree. But you know our favorite reporter Aileen speculated that Vivek forced Vlade to abandon his deliberate coaching search and grab Joerger because he was the one most likely to let DeMarcus stay fat and mean to reporters who look like Howard Stern. So... if Aileen is right, Vivek hasn't stepped back. But come on... that was the craziest zaniest off the wall take from Aileen among many so... yeah I am very very happy with Vivek Ranadive now. He seems like a smart smart guy who is always learning. Hasn't been any wackiness from him in a long time since really the pic with the R2D2 security robots.

Haha, what? It's that for real?!

 

[Gilles]

I agree. But you know our favorite reporter Aileen speculated that Vivek forced Vlade to abandon his deliberate coaching search and grab Joerger because he was the one most likely to let DeMarcus stay fat and mean to reporters who look like Howard Stern. So... if Aileen is right, Vivek hasn't stepped back. But come on... that was the craziest zaniest off the wall take from Aileen among many so... yeah I am very very happy with Vivek Ranadive now. He seems like a smart smart guy who is always learning. Hasn't been any wackiness from him in a long time since really the pic with the R2D2 security robots.

On April, 28th it was announced, that Grizzlies allowed Kings to interview Elston Turner. I assume, the request came couple of days before, which leads me to believe, that Vlade started looking into hiring Joerger at least on April, 25th. Two biggest outliers in Kings' search are Elston Turner, lead assistant for Grizzlies' head coach Dave Joerger, and Henry Bibby, assistant coach/offensive coordinator for Grizzlies' head coach Lionel Hollins next to lead assistant Dave Joerger and then assistant coach for Grizzlies' head coach Dave Joerger. Neither was invited with any intention to discuss their candidacy for Kings' head coaching job. It was a simple information gathering, although Turner did get a job out of that.

 

[VF21]

I agree with your thoughts but I do hope that Joerger's approval and whole hearted support is solicited and obtained.
Remember that Nancy/Vivek's personal friendship was cited as a problem in the past. That can be an unhealthy thing for the coach and his subordinate, professional or not.

Only by George Karl. If Joerger hadn't wanted Corliss and Nancy to stay, it would have been easy. Vlade actually said at the first Joerger press conference that ALL assistant coaches had been released. It is widely believed that Joerger spoke to Vlade and clarified that he actually wanted to keep Corliss and Nancy.

 

[bajaden]

On April, 28th it was announced, that Grizzlies allowed Kings to interview Elston Turner. I assume, the request came couple of days before, which leads me to believe, that Vlade started looking into hiring Joerger at least on April, 25th. Two biggest outliers in Kings' search are Elston Turner, lead assistant for Grizzlies' head coach Dave Joerger, and Henry Bibby, assistant coach/offensive coordinator for Grizzlies' head coach Lionel Hollins next to lead assistant Dave Joerger and then assistant coach for Grizzlies' head coach Dave Joerger. Neither was invited with any intention to discuss their candidacy for Kings' head coaching job. It was a simple information gathering, although Turner did get a job out of that.

Another connection that I didn't know about until I saw Rondo on NBA TV talking about who his mentors were when he was young. One of them, and it's someone that he says he talks to everyday, is Henry Bibby. That might be another reason for Vlade bringing him in for an interview, along with Bibby's connection to Joerger

 

[Kingster]

Those comments are about as sexist as any I've seen.

She doesn't want a freaking job because of her gender. If she remains on the staff, it will be because she's freaking good at her job.

I just hope that if she remains on the staff it's because Joerger wants her, not because she is being forced upon him by management. Joerger should be able to determine his entire assistant coaching staff, top to bottom. It wouldn't be the first time a good assistant has gotten fired because of a new HC. Let's not have a double standard - if it's good enough for the men assistant coaches to be fired with a new HC it's good enough for the women.