Vintage Artest was a very unique player who didn't get as much credit as he deserved because of his behavior and because his peak was relatively short. A DPOY quality wing (you have to be flat out dominant to even get consideration for that achievement as a wing player) who can also score 20 ppg is the great white whale that every basketball franchise is looking for. It would be an understatement to say that those types of players are few and far between. It would be more accurate to say there's only 1 in each generation. I don't see a single wing player in the league right now who's close to Artest as a defender, nevermind the scoring part.
Kings making Rudy available for trade?
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You can't always get a read on a guy by watching the games, especially if they spend most of their time on the bench. I've seen Lance in person a few times this year -- at a Clippers open practice and 2 Clippers/Kings games. My impression from everything I've seen this year is that he looks to me like a guy who's more interested in goofing around than in playing basketball. He's got some potential for sure, but personally I wouldn't make a trade for him.
I don't think Vlade will trade Gay for the sake of doing it. The only way I see Vlade trading Gay is if what we are getting in return makes sense both in the long and short term. In other words a #2 scorer who helps the play off push this year and is also a long term piece for us!
It certainly won't be for the sort of deal that 90% of this boards is suggesting (i.e. Get rid off Gay for solid players but not necessarily for someone who is genuine #2 scorer and can create his own shot!
It certainly won't be for the sort of deal that 90% of this boards is suggesting (i.e. Get rid off Gay for solid players but not necessarily for someone who is genuine #2 scorer and can create his own shot!
With the stipulations on what it would take to get Gay, young and basically productive, how does that fit with Gay's salary? I just don't see it. Rumor has Miami talking trade with a west coast team about a wing. If it was us, hard to see a trade involving Gay....Dragic, Winslow is the young player but does Miami really trade him so soon? Tyler Johnson?
I think if a move is done it involves DC or Ben or Marco or dare I say, Casspi...Sac cashes in on Casspi's career year?
I think if a move is done it involves DC or Ben or Marco or dare I say, Casspi...Sac cashes in on Casspi's career year?
Haha, then you will surely not like what I am going to write now 
There is a poster on real-gm that claimes to have an inside-source in the organization. As it turned out, he broke the Philly trade before the media knew and he also talked about the interest in Rudy and Marco a few weeks ago. I don't know if he just got lucky or if he has real insider knowledge.
Today he said the Lakers proposed us D. Russel and Hibbert for Rudy, Koufos and Butler.
Again, I don't know if this is true. But I just wanted to know everyone's opinion on this: would you take that deal?
There is a poster on real-gm that claimes to have an inside-source in the organization. As it turned out, he broke the Philly trade before the media knew and he also talked about the interest in Rudy and Marco a few weeks ago. I don't know if he just got lucky or if he has real insider knowledge.
Today he said the Lakers proposed us D. Russel and Hibbert for Rudy, Koufos and Butler.
Again, I don't know if this is true. But I just wanted to know everyone's opinion on this: would you take that deal?
Haha, then you will surely not like what I am going to write now
There is a poster on real-gm that claimes to have an inside-source in the organization. As it turned out, he broke the Philly trade before the media knew and he also talked about the interest in Rudy and Marco a few months ago. I don't know if he just got lucky or if he has real insider knowledge.
Today he said the Lakers proposed us D. Russel and Hibbert for Rudy, Koufos and Butler.
Again, I don't know if this is true. But I just wanted to know everyone's opinion on this: would you take that deal?
There is a poster on real-gm that claimes to have an inside-source in the organization. As it turned out, he broke the Philly trade before the media knew and he also talked about the interest in Rudy and Marco a few months ago. I don't know if he just got lucky or if he has real insider knowledge.
Today he said the Lakers proposed us D. Russel and Hibbert for Rudy, Koufos and Butler.
Again, I don't know if this is true. But I just wanted to know everyone's opinion on this: would you take that deal?
Haha, then you will surely not like what I am going to write now
There is a poster on real-gm that claimes to have an inside-source in the organization. As it turned out, he broke the Philly trade before the media knew and he also talked about the interest in Rudy and Marco a few weeks ago. I don't know if he just got lucky or if he has real insider knowledge.
Today he said the Lakers proposed us D. Russel and Hibbert for Rudy, Koufos and Butler.
Again, I don't know if this is true. But I just wanted to know everyone's opinion on this: would you take that deal?
There is a poster on real-gm that claimes to have an inside-source in the organization. As it turned out, he broke the Philly trade before the media knew and he also talked about the interest in Rudy and Marco a few weeks ago. I don't know if he just got lucky or if he has real insider knowledge.
Today he said the Lakers proposed us D. Russel and Hibbert for Rudy, Koufos and Butler.
Again, I don't know if this is true. But I just wanted to know everyone's opinion on this: would you take that deal?
Those are very good points. At first, I was really excited because on paper, Russel and Boogie would really be a combo we could bild around for years. And we would have huge amount of cap space next year, I think something about 35-40 mil. Wow. So we could try to sign Ryan Anderson to make up for Rudy's production, resign Rondo and sign a defensive minded back up 3.
But then I asked myself if I would trade Russel for Gay if I were the Lakers. And the answer is no. So there has to be a reason why the Lakers would to that trade and it would be really important to know why. Is he just clashing with Byron Scott? Or are their some deeper problems with him that are not as easily fixed? And as you said, this is clearly not a win-now move so Vlade may be hesistant to pull the trigger since his contract ends at the end of the year.
But then I asked myself if I would trade Russel for Gay if I were the Lakers. And the answer is no. So there has to be a reason why the Lakers would to that trade and it would be really important to know why. Is he just clashing with Byron Scott? Or are their some deeper problems with him that are not as easily fixed? And as you said, this is clearly not a win-now move so Vlade may be hesistant to pull the trigger since his contract ends at the end of the year.
Haha, then you will surely not like what I am going to write now
There is a poster on real-gm that claimes to have an inside-source in the organization. As it turned out, he broke the Philly trade before the media knew and he also talked about the interest in Rudy and Marco a few weeks ago. I don't know if he just got lucky or if he has real insider knowledge.
Today he said the Lakers proposed us D. Russel and Hibbert for Rudy, Koufos and Butler.
Again, I don't know if this is true. But I just wanted to know everyone's opinion on this: would you take that deal?
There is a poster on real-gm that claimes to have an inside-source in the organization. As it turned out, he broke the Philly trade before the media knew and he also talked about the interest in Rudy and Marco a few weeks ago. I don't know if he just got lucky or if he has real insider knowledge.
Today he said the Lakers proposed us D. Russel and Hibbert for Rudy, Koufos and Butler.
Again, I don't know if this is true. But I just wanted to know everyone's opinion on this: would you take that deal?
Hibbert? Yeah, um ... no thanks. We don't need Hibbert. We have WCS. As far as Russell goes, no thanks again. I can't see Vlade wanting to have anything to do with him and his attitude.
I think the guy's insider knowledge is about as reliable as that of my cat.
I dunno, I think you would have to think about that.
I would not, but the thing is, I have never been enamored with D'Angelo Russell, and long had him tagged as the worst of the high lottery picks. I watch him, and I just don't see the potential greatness, and you should always be able to see it at least in flashes.
But, BUT, this is the #2 pick in the draft you are talking about. What is the thing that Cuz has never truly had, that Shaq always had? A full on #2 star. Penny, Kobe, Wade. Reke was halfway there, IT wanted to be, Rudy is a pale imitation, but the true second star/All Star guard/forward? And so what if I'm wrong about Russell. I don't like him. Think he's cocky with an ego writing checks his game can't cash. But he's been getting better, and his game was always going to be about subtlety and feel, which if you have them can make you a star while a crude super run n jumper like Ben just can't get there.
And then there's Hibbert, who's real value comes in him being a giant expiring contract, thus giving us major cap room.
I don't believe in Russell, and if the Lakers seriously proposed this deal then they do not either. We've dumped enough of our own lottery flops and seen them go on to prove their flopness to know to beware in this situation. But if I'm wrong and you were going to get Cuz his Kobe out of the deal, while simultaneously clearing massive caproom...
I would not, but the thing is, I have never been enamored with D'Angelo Russell, and long had him tagged as the worst of the high lottery picks. I watch him, and I just don't see the potential greatness, and you should always be able to see it at least in flashes.
But, BUT, this is the #2 pick in the draft you are talking about. What is the thing that Cuz has never truly had, that Shaq always had? A full on #2 star. Penny, Kobe, Wade. Reke was halfway there, IT wanted to be, Rudy is a pale imitation, but the true second star/All Star guard/forward? And so what if I'm wrong about Russell. I don't like him. Think he's cocky with an ego writing checks his game can't cash. But he's been getting better, and his game was always going to be about subtlety and feel, which if you have them can make you a star while a crude super run n jumper like Ben just can't get there.
And then there's Hibbert, who's real value comes in him being a giant expiring contract, thus giving us major cap room.
I don't believe in Russell, and if the Lakers seriously proposed this deal then they do not either. We've dumped enough of our own lottery flops and seen them go on to prove their flopness to know to beware in this situation. But if I'm wrong and you were going to get Cuz his Kobe out of the deal, while simultaneously clearing massive caproom...
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Did the guru happen to explain why the Kings would do that deal?
Hibbert? Yeah, um ... no thanks. We don't need Hibbert. We have WCS. As far as Russell goes, no thanks again. I can't see Vlade wanting to have anything to do with him and his attitude.
I think the guy's insider knowledge is about as reliable as that of my cat.
Hibbert? Yeah, um ... no thanks. We don't need Hibbert. We have WCS. As far as Russell goes, no thanks again. I can't see Vlade wanting to have anything to do with him and his attitude.
I think the guy's insider knowledge is about as reliable as that of my cat.
Wow. Such insight! (She said, her voice dripping with sarcasm...)
This just smacks of dart board speculation to me.
This just smacks of dart board speculation to me.
I don't think this trade is realistic.
But I do like D'Angelo Russel. His biggest plus is, that he understands the pick&roll and already has some kind of inbetween game going. Of course he is not a great athlete, his ballhandling is nothing special and he lacks strength, but he is confident, knows how to get his shot, knows how to get open and is very patient for a rookie, when doing so.
There still would be some concerns, how a combo guard like Russel fits with a ball dominant true PG like Rondo. When you play Russel strictly off the ball, you waste his potential.
But I do like D'Angelo Russel. His biggest plus is, that he understands the pick&roll and already has some kind of inbetween game going. Of course he is not a great athlete, his ballhandling is nothing special and he lacks strength, but he is confident, knows how to get his shot, knows how to get open and is very patient for a rookie, when doing so.
There still would be some concerns, how a combo guard like Russel fits with a ball dominant true PG like Rondo. When you play Russel strictly off the ball, you waste his potential.
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If we could find a team to take Rondo as a expiring deal (Suns since Booker/Warren could benefit playing with a pass first PG while they develop for the next 30 games) there's a 3 way deal we could do to get Teague/Bazemore/Tucker/Scott in while the Hawks Gay/Ben/Price and Suns get Rondo to clear cap space next year and move some contracts they might not want.
I really like Kent/Teague in particular Jeff since he's on a 2 year deal, I just don't like how limited Rondo is in terms of players you can surround him with, Teague has shown he can play with two PGs and a legit SG.
I really like Kent/Teague in particular Jeff since he's on a 2 year deal, I just don't like how limited Rondo is in terms of players you can surround him with, Teague has shown he can play with two PGs and a legit SG.