Kings making Rudy available for trade?

My approach to this whole thing is, show me the trade and I'll say yes or no. So far, were having an abstract discussion. I've heard a few names thrown around, but no real trade has been presented. Would I trade Gay? Sure, depending on who were trading him for. Do I think that Gay is a perfect fit on the Kings right now? No, I don't, but he's still better than any of the options I've heard presented, other than Melo, who the Knicks won't trade, and I'm not sure is a better fit than Gay.

Whether we'd be better without him than with him (addition by subtraction), is an unknown. It worked for Toronto, but every situation is different. One game doesn't mean we can win on a regular basis without Gay, no more than winning a game without Cuz does. Players like Gay don't grow on trees. Finding a player of equal ability, that another team is willing to trade, that also fits, isn't that easy. There's usually compromise involved, and you want to be sure your on the right side of that compromise. The other option is to break up Gay's ability into equal parts in return. In other words, Gay equals a couple of talented players in return. Similar to the trade we made with Toronto. That's always a dangerous trade. There's a reason Gay is an upper level player, and those your trading for aren't. Your betting on the whole being better than the sum of its parts. Not sure I'm willing to take that gamble.
I bet you would say yes to this one. I know I would. Too bad Chicago would not. LOL

Change in Team Outlook: +3.0 ppg, +3.6 rpg, and -1.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Rudy Gay
29 year old, 6-8, 230 lb SF from Connecticut
17.9 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.7 apg in 34.0 minutes in 2015-2016
Ben McLemore
22 year old, 6-5, 195 lb SG from Kansas
7.5 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.1 minutes in 2015-2016
Outgoing Players
Jimmy Butler
26 year old, 6-7, 220 lb GF from Marquette
22.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.2 apg in 38.2 minutes in 2015-2016
Sacramento Kings Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -3.0 ppg, -3.6 rpg, and +1.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Jimmy Butler
26 year old, 6-7, 220 lb GF from Marquette
22.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.2 apg in 38.2 minutes in 2015-2016
Outgoing Players
Rudy Gay
29 year old, 6-8, 230 lb SF from Connecticut
17.9 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.7 apg in 34.0 minutes in 2015-2016
Ben McLemore
22 year old, 6-5, 195 lb SG from Kansas
7.5 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.1 minutes in 2015-2016
 

funkykingston

Super Moderator
Staff member
I bet you would say yes to this one. I know I would. Too bad Chicago would not. LOL

Change in Team Outlook: +3.0 ppg, +3.6 rpg, and -1.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Rudy Gay
29 year old, 6-8, 230 lb SF from Connecticut
17.9 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.7 apg in 34.0 minutes in 2015-2016
Ben McLemore
22 year old, 6-5, 195 lb SG from Kansas
7.5 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.1 minutes in 2015-2016
Outgoing Players
Jimmy Butler
26 year old, 6-7, 220 lb GF from Marquette
22.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.2 apg in 38.2 minutes in 2015-2016
Sacramento Kings Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -3.0 ppg, -3.6 rpg, and +1.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Jimmy Butler
26 year old, 6-7, 220 lb GF from Marquette
22.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.2 apg in 38.2 minutes in 2015-2016
Outgoing Players
Rudy Gay
29 year old, 6-8, 230 lb SF from Connecticut
17.9 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.7 apg in 34.0 minutes in 2015-2016
Ben McLemore
22 year old, 6-5, 195 lb SG from Kansas
7.5 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.1 minutes in 2015-2016
Yeah, I love Butler but he's not going anywhere. Whether the Bulls decide to try and add pieces for one last push with their aging frontcourt or they decide to blow it up, Butler is one guy that will stay regardless. He helps you win now and is young enough to be a core piece in a rebuild.

Unless there's a team out there that really wants Collison and/or Rudy it looks like the Kings best option to upgrade the SG position is for Ben to finally turn the corner. Of course, we've been waiting for that a long time and I'm thinking his improved play recently is another tease.
 
I bet you would say yes to this one. I know I would. Too bad Chicago would not. LOL

Change in Team Outlook: +3.0 ppg, +3.6 rpg, and -1.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Rudy Gay
29 year old, 6-8, 230 lb SF from Connecticut
17.9 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.7 apg in 34.0 minutes in 2015-2016
Ben McLemore
22 year old, 6-5, 195 lb SG from Kansas
7.5 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.1 minutes in 2015-2016
Outgoing Players
Jimmy Butler
26 year old, 6-7, 220 lb GF from Marquette
22.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.2 apg in 38.2 minutes in 2015-2016
Sacramento Kings Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -3.0 ppg, -3.6 rpg, and +1.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Jimmy Butler
26 year old, 6-7, 220 lb GF from Marquette
22.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.2 apg in 38.2 minutes in 2015-2016
Outgoing Players
Rudy Gay
29 year old, 6-8, 230 lb SF from Connecticut
17.9 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.7 apg in 34.0 minutes in 2015-2016
Ben McLemore
22 year old, 6-5, 195 lb SG from Kansas
7.5 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.1 minutes in 2015-2016
That trade would be perfect fit for us...... Not only did we just fill a hole in SG but we got a legit 2nd scoring option
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Clipper fan here.

Take it for what it's worth, but I have a reputable source who says they're close to swinging a deal for Gay. It would involve Lance Stephenson, that's all I know. I'm assuming other pieces will be involved. Just like to hear your thoughts.

Um, let's just say that seems...unlikely, unless it also involved Redick.
 
Okay, for something a little more realistic than landing Butler :).

We take a downgrade at SF (Omri becomes our man) for an upgrade at SG. Portland does the exact opposite. They might do it as they need help at the SF.

Sacramento Kings Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +5.9 ppg, +1.2 rpg, and +3.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Al-Farouq Aminu
25 year old, 6-9, 220 lb F from Wake Forest
10.5 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 29.1 minutes in 2015-2016
C.J. McCollum
24 year old, 6-3, 190 lb G from Lehigh
20.8 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.3 apg in 35.3 minutes in 2015-2016
Outgoing Players
Rudy Gay
29 year old, 6-8, 230 lb SF from Connecticut
17.9 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.7 apg in 34.0 minutes in 2015-2016
Ben McLemore
22 year old, 6-5, 195 lb SG from Kansas
7.5 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.1 minutes in 2015-2016
Portland Trail Blazers Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -5.9 ppg, -1.2 rpg, and -3.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Rudy Gay
29 year old, 6-8, 230 lb SF from Connecticut
17.9 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.7 apg in 34.0 minutes in 2015-2016
Ben McLemore
22 year old, 6-5, 195 lb SG from Kansas
7.5 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.1 minutes in 2015-2016
Outgoing Players
Al-Farouq Aminu
25 year old, 6-9, 220 lb F from Wake Forest
10.5 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 29.1 minutes in 2015-2016
C.J. McCollum
24 year old, 6-3, 190 lb G from Lehigh
20.8 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.3 apg in 35.3
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
ok look, this has now started turning into just a throw crap on the wall trade thread, which means it belongs in the Personnel Forum. I'm moving ot over there, and will leave a link here in the main forum so people can find it.
 

funkykingston

Super Moderator
Staff member
Um, let's just say that seems...unlikely, unless it also involved Redick.
The Clippers and Kings made poor trading partners for a number of reasons. First off they play in the same division and both are trying to win now. But more importantly the salaries just don't match up.

Gay for Stephenson straight up, Gay for Stephenson/Redick, Gay for Stephenson/Crawford, Gay for Redick/Crawford, Gay and Bellinelli for Stephenson/Redick & filler etc etc. None of them work.

I think Redick is an ideal fit for this team at SG, especially if you have an athletic defender as the reserve SG but there's no realistic deal that works to get him.

And Stephenson? Honestly, his only value to me is that there's a team option on his contract making him essentially an expiring. But trading Gay for future caproom makes zero sense.

The Kings need an upgrade at SG, a big who can stretch the floor and doesn't kill you on defense and possibly a PG who is a better fit backing up (and playing with) Rondo. Unless a trade is addressing those needs I wouldn't want to see Gay dealt, either individually or packaged with Collison, McLemore, Koufos etc.
 
The Clippers and Kings made poor trading partners for a number of reasons. First off they play in the same division and both are trying to win now. But more importantly the salaries just don't match up.

Gay for Stephenson straight up, Gay for Stephenson/Redick, Gay for Stephenson/Crawford, Gay for Redick/Crawford, Gay and Bellinelli for Stephenson/Redick & filler etc etc. None of them work.

I think Redick is an ideal fit for this team at SG, especially if you have an athletic defender as the reserve SG but there's no realistic deal that works to get him.

And Stephenson? Honestly, his only value to me is that there's a team option on his contract making him essentially an expiring. But trading Gay for future caproom makes zero sense.

The Kings need an upgrade at SG, a big who can stretch the floor and doesn't kill you on defense and possibly a PG who is a better fit backing up (and playing with) Rondo. Unless a trade is addressing those needs I wouldn't want to see Gay dealt, either individually or packaged with Collison, McLemore, Koufos etc.
Why does trading Gay for future caproom makes zero sense?
I'm not sure it's the right move, but if you look at our team and think about the next step the main problem is that we are somewhat "stuck" to this roster since we won't have our draft pick and we'll have to use most of our caproom to resign Rondo (explained in another thread here)- now this roster is far from being bad, but let's just say that getting out of the 1st round in the west with it is... unlikely.

From that perspective trades for caproom can make sense, for example a trade with the Nets:
Rudy, KK and Marco for RHJ, Bargnani and Joe Johnson.

This kind of trade imo is not destructive in the present (according to PER based analysis it doesn't affect our winning percentage), and it gives us much more upside looking ahead- we get a great young defensive wing (already 2nd in DRPM among SG's) and almost double our cap room with an extra 24 million to spend. outside of the stars which probably won't come here, there are a lot of nice players we'll have a chance of getting in that market (Harrison Barnes is one example)- that kind of roster has far more upside than the one we hold.
 
They may want to consider it. They pretty much stink and when you stink your 2nd best player is not untrade-able. Your 2nd best player is an asset that can be used to build a front court that really stinks.
They are rebuilding, there is no need for a guy like Rudy on a rebuilding team.
CJ has star potential and he's on a rookie contract, you don't trade that kind of guy unless you have an incentive to win-now and I don't think Ben&Rudy for CJ&Aminu will turn them into a good playoff team (in fact based on ESPN, they lose 2 wins in that trade)...
 

funkykingston

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Why does trading Gay for future caproom makes zero sense?
I'm not sure it's the right move, but if you look at our team and think about the next step the main problem is that we are somewhat "stuck" to this roster since we won't have our draft pick and we'll have to use most of our caproom to resign Rondo (explained in another thread here)- now this roster is far from being bad, but let's just say that getting out of the 1st round in the west with it is... unlikely.
Why is it the wrong move? There's a couple reasons.

(1) Vivek wants to win now. Vlade wants to win now. Karl wants to win now. And most importantly Cousins and Rondo want to win now. Trading Gay for caproom is a move that a tanking team would make. You're essentially telling Boogie that you're willing to possibly miss out on the playoffs this year for the chance to possibly make the playoffs next year.

(2) $12 million seems like a lot of caproom but I don't think people realize what kinds of contracts are going to get thrown around this offseason. Tristan Thompson got a deal starting at over $14 million with the justification that it wouldn't look like such an awful deal next year (when he's making $15.3 million) because of the salary cap increase. Thompson isn't a defensive anchor, isn't a shotblocker, isn't a guy who can stretch the floor at all and who is averaging around 8 points and 9 rebounds and whose only real calling card is that he's tied for 6th in the league in offensive rebounds.

The capspace the Kings would get from trading Gay for ending contracts would be over $3 million short of being able to afford a Tristan Thompson level talent. This is actually a good offseason to not have a bunch of free agents or to have to fill a lot of holes. Boogie is about to become perhaps the 2nd biggest bargain in the league after Steph Curry. And Gay will be also go from a guy who at one point had an albatross contract to one who is a good deal for the Kings.

From that perspective trades for caproom can make sense, for example a trade with the Nets:
Rudy, KK and Marco for RHJ, Bargnani and Joe Johnson.

This kind of trade imo is not destructive in the present (according to PER based analysis it doesn't affect our winning percentage), and it gives us much more upside looking ahead- we get a great young defensive wing (already 2nd in DRPM among SG's) and almost double our cap room with an extra 24 million to spend. outside of the stars which probably won't come here, there are a lot of nice players we'll have a chance of getting in that market (Harrison Barnes is one example)- that kind of roster has far more upside than the one we hold.
There's no trade I'd ever make based on PER analysis. Dealing your second leading scorer and two guys off the bench that log a lot of minutes is going to be disruptive. New guys have to learn a system, chemistry has to be developed etc. On paper it may not seem like the Kings would lose a step, but I can pretty much guarantee they'd lose a step, if not several. Which is a precarious place to be if you're trying to claw your way into the postseason this year. And that's above and beyond telling Boogie you're trading his wingman and Rondo's friend or the clear message that you're making a move to free up cap space and not to make the team better in the here and now.

Moreover is Harrison Barnes a massive upgrade over Rudy? Because he turned down an extension from Golden State that started at $18 million. Add in the premium that the Kings normally have to offer to get guys to Sacramento and I'm guessing his deal will start at $20 million or more. I'm not the world's biggest Rudy Gay fan but I'll take Rudy Gay at $12 or $13 million over what $12 or $13 million will buy in the free agent market this offseason.

The Kings are light on draft picks and don't have a ton of caproom. So it will be hard to find ways to improve. It will have to be smart trades (for TALENT), utilizing the picks they do have well and relying on growth from guys like Boogie, Willie, Ben etc and the improvement that comes with experience playing together, something that is often overlooked.
 
They are rebuilding, there is no need for a guy like Rudy on a rebuilding team.
CJ has star potential and he's on a rookie contract, you don't trade that kind of guy unless you have an incentive to win-now and I don't think Ben&Rudy for CJ&Aminu will turn them into a good playoff team (in fact based on ESPN, they lose 2 wins in that trade)...
You are probably correct and I am assuredly engaging in fantasy. However, I will say this: Rudy is a top 10 SF despite not playing well this season. Teams should realize that we are not trading him for anything less than a significant upgrade for where we need help - namely SG - a top 10-15 SG.
 
Why is it the wrong move? There's a couple reasons.

(1) Vivek wants to win now. Vlade wants to win now. Karl wants to win now. And most importantly Cousins and Rondo want to win now. Trading Gay for caproom is a move that a tanking team would make. You're essentially telling Boogie that you're willing to possibly miss out on the playoffs this year for the chance to possibly make the playoffs next year.

(2) $12 million seems like a lot of caproom but I don't think people realize what kinds of contracts are going to get thrown around this offseason. Tristan Thompson got a deal starting at over $14 million with the justification that it wouldn't look like such an awful deal next year (when he's making $15.3 million) because of the salary cap increase. Thompson isn't a defensive anchor, isn't a shotblocker, isn't a guy who can stretch the floor at all and who is averaging around 8 points and 9 rebounds and whose only real calling card is that he's tied for 6th in the league in offensive rebounds.

The capspace the Kings would get from trading Gay for ending contracts would be over $3 million short of being able to afford a Tristan Thompson level talent. This is actually a good offseason to not have a bunch of free agents or to have to fill a lot of holes. Boogie is about to become perhaps the 2nd biggest bargain in the league after Steph Curry. And Gay will be also go from a guy who at one point had an albatross contract to one who is a good deal for the Kings.
A few things:

1. I'm not saying that we need to trade Rudy- just saying that it should be considered if a good deal comes along.

2. I get that we are in win-now mode, I just don't think that Rudy is crucial for that (and I know a lot of people will probably disagree)- I think a lesser player better suited for our needs can give us similar production.

3. I agree about 12 million in caproom not being a lot in this era, and that's Rudy is on a good contract- but extra caproom (even 12 million) together with cap remaining from resigning Rondo could be the difference between not being able to sign any player of significance (because of high prices) and being able to get a guy we need.

4. Boogie is a huge bargain, and we can use that to better our roster- sitting out this year would have us going with the same roster next year which means very limited upside (like I said I think this roster is very unlikely too go past the first round, and it could be harder to get to the playoffs next year consdering we had a lot of "injury luck" this year regarding our opponents).

There's no trade I'd ever make based on PER analysis. Dealing your second leading scorer and two guys off the bench that log a lot of minutes is going to be disruptive. New guys have to learn a system, chemistry has to be developed etc. On paper it may not seem like the Kings would lose a step, but I can pretty much guarantee they'd lose a step, if not several. Which is a precarious place to be if you're trying to claw your way into the postseason this year.

Moreover is Harrison Barnes a massive upgrade over Rudy? Because he turned down an extension from Golden State that started at $18 million. Add in the premium that the Kings normally have to offer to get guys to Sacramento and I'm guessing his deal will start at $20 million or more. I'm not the world's biggest Rudy Gay fan but I'll take Rudy Gay at $12 or $13 million over what $12 or $13 million will buy in the free agent market this offseason.

The Kings are light on draft picks and don't have a ton of caproom. So it will be hard to find ways to improve. It will have to be smart trades (for TALENT), utilizing the picks they do have well and relying on growth from guys like Boogie, Willie, Ben etc and the improvement that comes with experience playing together, something that is often overlooked.
I don't do the trade because of PER analysis, it was just something I thought was worth mentioning.
Rudy is a scorer for us but he is not a great fit in our system, our team is actually worse this year with him on the floor (-1.8), Casspi is a better fit for us (+2.2).
Marco has been flat out bad this year and though I think KK is a very nice player he doesn't work well with DMC or with WCS (evident by his -4.0) making him a luxury we don't need.

Harrison Barnes can shoot and he is a better defender, I don't know about talent but that's something I feel we need, I think he is a far better fit next too DMC and Rondo than Gay is- but there are a lot more guys of that type out there this year.
That trade will give us 24 million more and a guy we need on a rookie contract, you are looking at it as "Gay is a bargain in this current market" which is true, but a narrow way to look at things imo- with this trade you are creating far more space to shape the team and another max level contract room along with Rondo, that's HUGE.

Like you said we can't get better through the draft (we don't have our pick this year) and it's highly unlikely we can make a change with our capspace. and though there is some potential for improvement among our existing players (mostly Ben and Willie), I doubt it will be enough to turn us into anything more than a 7-8th seed contender (which is much better than what we were but still limited).

We are also pretty limited when it comes to trades:
Despite the fact Gay is a good scorer, on a good contract, and some say a top 10 SF, his trade value shouldn't be high- he has a bad rep for is ability to play in a winning team (mostly because of his defnse and shooting), tanking teams don't need him and the contending teams that'll want him won't send talent in return. KK is a nice center but the league is full of nice centers right now so I don't see him netting anything of great value.

Trading for capspace might be the most realistic way for us to take a leap forward, I'll end this by saying I'm far from decided on this kind of deal for all the reasons you mentioned and the chance it can hurt team chemistry- but I wouldn't take it off the table, and I think it definitely make (atleast) some sense.
 
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bajaden

Hall of Famer
I bet you would say yes to this one. I know I would. Too bad Chicago would not. LOL

Change in Team Outlook: +3.0 ppg, +3.6 rpg, and -1.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Rudy Gay
29 year old, 6-8, 230 lb SF from Connecticut
17.9 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.7 apg in 34.0 minutes in 2015-2016
Ben McLemore
22 year old, 6-5, 195 lb SG from Kansas
7.5 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.1 minutes in 2015-2016
Outgoing Players
Jimmy Butler
26 year old, 6-7, 220 lb GF from Marquette
22.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.2 apg in 38.2 minutes in 2015-2016
Sacramento Kings Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -3.0 ppg, -3.6 rpg, and +1.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Jimmy Butler
26 year old, 6-7, 220 lb GF from Marquette
22.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.2 apg in 38.2 minutes in 2015-2016
Outgoing Players
Rudy Gay
29 year old, 6-8, 230 lb SF from Connecticut
17.9 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.7 apg in 34.0 minutes in 2015-2016
Ben McLemore
22 year old, 6-5, 195 lb SG from Kansas
7.5 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.1 minutes in 2015-2016
Yep, I'd do the Butler deal in a heartbeat. However, as you stated, Butler isn't going anywhere. I think the Bull's would like to retool, but they don't have a lot of healthy tradable pieces. Butler is their biggest asset, but that's the guy you build around.
 

dude12

Hall of Famer
I'm opposed to moving Gay, I'm probably opposed to moving anyone right now. I personally think Gay fits well with our club and he's undervalued by quite a few here. Use him correctly and he's an important cog. Besides, the worse thing to do right now is trade a major piece, lets just roll with our guys now.
 

funkykingston

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A few things:

1. I'm not saying that we need to trade Rudy- just saying that it should be considered if a good deal comes along.

2. I get that we are in win-now mode, I just don't think that Rudy is crucial for that (and I know a lot of people will probably disagree)- I think a lesser player better suited for our needs can give us similar production.

3. I agree about 12 million in caproom not being a lot in this era, and that's Rudy is on a good contract- but extra caproom (even 12 million) together with cap remaining from resigning Rondo could be the difference between not being able to sign any player of significance (because of high prices) and being able to get a guy we need.

4. Boogie is a huge bargain, and we can use that to better our roster- sitting out this year would have us going with the same roster next year which means very limited upside (like I said I think this roster is very unlikely too go past the first round, and it could be harder to get to the playoffs next year consdering we had a lot of "injury luck" this year regarding our opponents).



I don't do the trade because of PER analysis, it was just something I thought was worth mentioning.
Rudy is a scorer for us but he is not a great fit in our system, our team is actually worse this year with him on the floor (-1.8), Casspi is a better fit for us (+2.2).
Marco has been flat out bad this year and though I think KK is a very nice player he doesn't work well with DMC or with WCS (evident by his -4.0) making him a luxury we don't need.

Harrison Barnes can shoot and he is a better defender, I don't know about talent but that's something I feel we need, I think he is a far better fit next too DMC and Rondo than Gay is- but there are a lot more guys of that type out there this year.
That trade will give us 24 million more and a guy we need on a rookie contract, you are looking at it as "Gay is a bargain in this current market" which is true, but a narrow way to look at things imo- with this trade you are creating far more space to shape the team and another max level contract room along with Rondo, that's HUGE.

Like you said we can't get better through the draft (we don't have our pick this year) and it's highly unlikely we can make a change with our capspace. and though there is some potential for improvement among our existing players (mostly Ben and Willie), I doubt it will be enough to turn us into anything more than a 7-8th seed contender (which is much better than what we were but still limited).

We are also pretty limited when it comes to trades:
Despite the fact Gay is a good scorer, on a good contract, and some say a top 10 SF, his trade value shouldn't be high- he has a bad rep for is ability to play in a winning team (mostly because of his defnse and shooting), tanking teams don't need him and the contending teams that'll want him won't send talent in return. KK is a nice center but the league is full of nice centers right now so I don't see him netting anything of great value.

Trading for capspace might be the most realistic way for us to take a leap forward, I'll end this by saying I'm far from decided on this kind of deal for all the reasons you mentioned and the chance it can hurt team chemistry- but I wouldn't take it off the table, and I think it definitely make (atleast) some sense.
I'm definitely not opposed to trading Gay. I've proposed a couple deals recently that I thought were realistic and gave the Kings a better fitting roster.

But I am very against the idea of trading to open up capspace. Tons of teams are going to have money this offseason and we'd be banking that even a second tier free agent would take equal or slightly more money to play with the Kings over other teams. History hasn't shown that to be the case at all.

As for cap space, spotrac shows the Kings as having $21 or $22 million next offseason. Dealing Rudy for enders (or mostly Enders) would add $10-13 million to that. $31 to $35 million is a chunk of change. But considering Rondo got a $9.5 million deal when most people thought his career was over, I think we're looking at a contract starting at somewhere between $16 and $18 million to resign him.

So the Kings could have between $13 million and $19 million to spend. I'd have to be sure I could get a difference maker with that money or else the Rudy trade would look a lot like giving up an asset with not a lot to show for it. And that's without considering whether dealing Gay would affect Rajon's decision of whether or not to re-sign in Sacramento.

I can see the argument either way but I'm very doubtful of the Kings chances of adding an impact player via free agency. If Gay is dealt I'd hope it is primarily for talented players who for the current roster and who have at least another season on their current contracts.
 

dude12

Hall of Famer
Clipper fan here.

Take it for what it's worth, but I have a reputable source who says they're close to swinging a deal for Gay. It would involve Lance Stephenson, that's all I know. I'm assuming other pieces will be involved. Just like to hear your thoughts.
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Clippers are stuck with that guy......he's negative value.
 

Capt. Factorial

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Can't believe this plant had the audacity to post this immediately after I told his kind to leave.
KF.com had a very good long time where we didn't go around throwing "plant" accusations at anybody who suggested something we didn't like. Let's not fall back into that habit, please? It's a terribly unwelcoming thing to do to new members.
 
It would be a monumental mistake to trade Rudy without getting someone back that can create offense for themselves. When things get tight you need someone that can create and score from the perimeter. Rondo can create for others but since he cannot shoot that well off the bounce he can't be that guy. You can't rely on your 6'11 270 lb monster center to have to create in the perimeter when things get tight. We gotta roll with Rudy and for goodness sake, keep him at the 3 please!
 

Glenn

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I haven't read the whole thread and won't. If we trade one player for two or more, we are getting back two players not as good as Gay. What we are adding is depth. We don't need depth. We would just be giving away a skilled athlete.

My second point is that we should think carefully before trading anyone. For some reason we have won 5 in a row. Something is working. As fans, we don't know what it would take to throw this team off track. Any move needs to be done with great care.

BE CAREFUL. LET'S NOT RUIN SOMETHING THAT IS GOOD.

Some people amazingly don't think Karl is part of this spurt of happiness. I find that very hard to believe. If Karl is in control (I am throwing a bone to those who don't think he is by using the word "if"), he has learned to use his big guys. That's a major step. What makes anyone think that he cannot work with other struggling players now on the team and help them fit better? Neither Rome nor the Kings were built in a day. One step at a time. We have 10 new players and quite gradually, some are playing the kind of game suited to them. Let's see if more can be added to the "hey, he fits" group.
 
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Clipper fan here.

Take it for what it's worth, but I have a reputable source who says they're close to swinging a deal for Gay. It would involve Lance Stephenson, that's all I know. I'm assuming other pieces will be involved. Just like to hear your thoughts.
Apparently the clips are bailing on all their offseason acquisitions. Is DeAndre next? I like Lance from afar, but that's adding more crazy to the Kings, and he hasn't been good in 2 calendar years. I'd rather have JJ, but they probably aren't looking to shed a 50 percent 3 point shooter.
 
For bringing in Rondo and letting people know that Sacramento is still in map of the NBA, during free agency, is more than enough to keep Rudy here for at least a year or 2 alone.
All players have their ups and downs especially in a system that just about a year old.
It's OK to criticize a player's performance. But we need to keep some sanity about our #2 option who could easily be top 5 in the West SF.
 
Clipper fan here.

Take it for what it's worth, but I have a reputable source who says they're close to swinging a deal for Gay. It would involve Lance Stephenson, that's all I know. I'm assuming other pieces will be involved. Just like to hear your thoughts.
I'll call Artest first before even making a call about Stephenson.
 
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2016/1/29/10868514/rudy-gay-trade-rumors

"Sacramento is said to be seeking a quality young player in return if it parts with Gay. Or a player they like with at least one year left on his contract after this season, which would give the Kings some insulation against trading for someone in February who turns around and leaves town in July."

"In short: Sacramento isn't outright trying to move Gay but would be willing to do so in the proverbial "right deal."

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I wonder exactly what "quality young player" we could get for Rudy?
 
I don't think the Kings will be able to pull off a trade for Rudy. No team is going to trade up a "quality young player" for him.
I don't get that part because I thought we were pushing for the playoffs?

This makes me confused because are we going to be rebuilding next year? Or will we bring Rondo back on an expensive ass contract rather than sign a young potential star?

Rudy Gay
Marco Belinelli
James Anderson

for
JJ Reddick
(filler) Lance Stephenson

edit: If Griffin was available, I'd throw our entire farm at him...
 
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It was almost at this exact time of the season when the Kings traded Peja for Artest, and ended up making the playoffs. Peja was one of my favorites, so at the time I was disappointed, but it actually worked out well for the Kings.

Do you remember Artest's first game in the Kings uni? I think it was in Boston. Immediate impact right out the gate. Just an overall disruptor on defense. Him and Bonzi were unstoppable on the wings. I'd kill for a guy like that. Hell, I'd kill for a guy who gave 40% of what vintage Artest gave.
 
Please no Rudy Gay trade. Keep our core and let them play. Too many moves and chemistry not being fully built. I slowly see the team gelling and MAYBE a confident Ben mclemore forming while Rudy was out with injury