Kings Sign Duje Dukan

#31
Brick's good info is that Dukan didn't do diddily in four years of college. Not only that but ne didn't play starter minutes, he played rotation minutes. Question: why was he given a tryout? Why was he playing in SL? There must have been something besides his Adriatic origin. Any clues?
 
#32
#36
Seems there arent many diamonds and there isnt much in the way of rough anymore. Every game is televised and taped. Every player has tape on them playing somewhere. Ive seen tape from players in places where they may only have one court. It is more likely that Dukan is a Reno Bighorn for a spell before he moves on...
 
#37
Meh... He probably wont make the final roster. He sucked in college and had a couple good games in summer league. Big deal.
 
#39
Seems there arent many diamonds and there isnt much in the way of rough anymore. Every game is televised and taped. Every player has tape on them playing somewhere. Ive seen tape from players in places where they may only have one court. It is more likely that Dukan is a Reno Bighorn for a spell before he moves on...
 
#41
But, again, why the move. Certainly the Kings know everything we know and a lot more. Why
Dukan?
Probably the Coaches saw something they liked. Really if he can set a pick, run the plays and hit a set shot he is a workable player to have. I mean he does not have to be the second coming of the Red Mamba does he?:)
 
#42
If the guy can get open and hit spot up three's, at 6'8", he has a spot on an NBA roster someplace. The question, in my opinion, is can he do it?
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#45
Guys...once upon a forever ago I remember when the Kings got their own piece of the great Georgetown Hoya big man tradition, and went out and added to the roster one of Georgetown's centers. Unfortunately that center was named Ben Gillery. Ben had been a pet project of John Thompson. He was 7'1" tall, long, and so despite being incredibly uncoordinated and having the bball IQ of a shoebox, Thompson would give him spot starts in games and then pull him after a few minutes, hoping that somehow he would learn how to play basketball. He never did. But that didn't stop us from adding him to our roster and actually keeping him on it for all or most of the year. And he was quite possibly the worst player in our long inglorious history, and one of the worst in the history of the NBA. He didn't even earn college minutes, and we gave him garbage minutes in the big leagues.


Fast forward to today and the strange case of Duje Dukan. this was Duje's 4 year college career:

2010-11 2.1min 0.3ppg
2011-12 3.4min 0.8ppg
2012-13 MISSED
2013-14 8.1min 2.8ppg
2014-15 15.9min 4.7ppg (.387 .319 .674) 2.6reb 0.6ast 0.2stl 0.1blk 0.7TO


This is a SCRUB. A scrub of the highest order who happened to get hot during summer league. He will show up, he will face somebody like LeBron in a preseason game, and we won't even have to void his contract because all that will be left will be a bloodstain on the floor. Maybe soembody in the front row will catch an ear.

Expect absolutely nothing. I suspect even he does. Even going so far as to get invited to a camp is a minor miracle for such a figure.
I always thought Ben would look good in a 7/11 outfit.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#46
Brick's good info is that Dukan didn't do diddily in four years of college. Not only that but ne didn't play starter minutes, he played rotation minutes. Question: why was he given a tryout? Why was he playing in SL? There must have been something besides his Adriatic origin. Any clues?
In fairness to Dukan, he didn't get a lot of playing time until his senior year, if you call 15.9 mpg a lot of playing time. Which is a result of playing behind Kaminsky and Dekker his entire career at Wisconsin. His freshman year he averaged a whooping 1.8 mpg. His sophmore year he averaged 3.1 mpg, and in those two years he took a grand total of two 3pt shots, missing both. His junior year he averaged a whole 8.1 mpg, and shot over 36% from the three. Now some would say why didn't he earn more minutes? Well, because that's the way Wisconsin runs their team. They tend to give preference to upper classmen. One thing I would point out is that Wisconsin is noted for always being a very good defensive team, and Dukan came out of that system. Not saying he's a good individual defender, but he should be a good team defender at minimum.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#47
Somehow he never made it into the DX database, so we'll be able to argue this one for...well, a year apparently.
In 2010 at the Nike Hoop Summit as a senior in highschool he was measured at 6'8.5" in shoes. So we know he's probably at least that tall. It's also probable that between then and now, he grew a little. Some players grow quite a bit in that four years, like JT who went from 6'4"to 6'11". Ditto Anthony Davis. So it's possible that he could be 6'10". From being at summer league, I can say that he looked like a 6'10"player from where I was sitting. Since you were sitting right next to me, I'm curious what your opinion is?
 

Capt. Factorial

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#48
In 2010 at the Nike Hoop Summit as a senior in highschool he was measured at 6'8.5" in shoes. So we know he's probably at least that tall. It's also probable that between then and now, he grew a little. Some players grow quite a bit in that four years, like JT who went from 6'4"to 6'11". Ditto Anthony Davis. So it's possible that he could be 6'10". From being at summer league, I can say that he looked like a 6'10"player from where I was sitting. Since you were sitting right next to me, I'm curious what your opinion is?
I thought you needed a haircut. ...I mean, he actually didn't quite look 6'10" to me. I felt like he was a big 6'8" or a small 6'9" but even up close like that it can be hard to tell. One thing that makes it tough is that WCS is so tall - and easily as tall as he is listed - that a true 6'10" guy probably does look a bit undersized next to him.

But the funny thing is that in the end I don't think that Dukan's height is going to be a major factor for him - I didn't feel like his game really used height much. Some guys, an inch shorter or an inch taller is going to make a big difference in their effectiveness, but for Dukan I didn't think that his height was a factor much either way.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#50
I thought you needed a haircut. ...I mean, he actually didn't quite look 6'10" to me. I felt like he was a big 6'8" or a small 6'9" but even up close like that it can be hard to tell. One thing that makes it tough is that WCS is so tall - and easily as tall as he is listed - that a true 6'10" guy probably does look a bit undersized next to him.

But the funny thing is that in the end I don't think that Dukan's height is going to be a major factor for him - I didn't feel like his game really used height much. Some guys, an inch shorter or an inch taller is going to make a big difference in their effectiveness, but for Dukan I didn't think that his height was a factor much either way.
Hey, I got a haircut right before I left for summer league. Yeah, I agree that its hard to tell a players height when he's out there with Cauley-Stein. Even worse when Sim was on the floor. He made WCS look small. I also agree that Dukan's height won't matter much with the way he plays. I don't know what his chances are to be honest. If you asked me which player between Wear and Dukan had the best chance of making it in the NBA, I would have said neither. Dukan does have great form on his shot, and it appears effortless and relaxed. Always a good sign for a shooter. It's my guess that the Kings see some long range potential in him, and he'll spend the majority of his time, if he sticks, in Reno.
 
#51
Why the hell is Dukan's rookie year guaranteed? Wtf. Terrible move by Vlade. At least Curru showed that he could dominate against DL and college. Dukan was just average in SL. Very disappointed. Feels like a wasted roster spot honestly.
 
#52
Seems crazy, a college backup with poor efficiency numbers getting guaranteed nba $.
And to think all the All-Americans who languish in China and Europe.

Good for him, but I think vlade is reaching on his peja fetish.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#54
Seems crazy, a college backup with poor efficiency numbers getting guaranteed nba $.
And to think all the All-Americans who languish in China and Europe.

Good for him, but I think vlade is reaching on his peja fetish.
Actually, I think Peja may have had a hand in this to some extent. Obviously Peja has Vlade's ear, and Dukan and Peja were seen together quite a bit, with the word mentor being used in reference to Peja's relationship with Dukan. I think it's fair to assume that Peja, and maybe by extension, Vlade, see some future potential in Dukan. Dukan, like Curry, was getting offers from other NBA teams. So you either pull the trigger or you don't, depending on how you feel about a player. I know we all want every single player on our roster to be of NBA championship caliber, but that's unrealistic. Most teams have some investment in youth. We just went from a team that leaned hard toward youth, to a mostly veteran team. From that point of view, I don't have a problem with picking up a couple of young players.

Now if signing them ends up standing in the way of signing a player like Miller, then that's a different story. But since no one from the Kings office has given me a call to enlighten me on the why's and why not's of their thinking, it's hard to pass informed judgement. But if you want uninformed judgement, I have plenty of that. I wouldn't have signed Curry. Not because he doesn't deserve a chance, but because I had some other players I liked better. Dukan I'm OK with, because he probably won't see much of an NBA floor this coming season, and whoever he might have replaced wouldn't have contributed much either. At this point, all I can do is hope I'm wrong about the Curry signing. Go Seth!
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
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#55
Actually, I think Peja may have had a hand in this to some extent. Obviously Peja has Vlade's ear, and Dukan and Peja were seen together quite a bit, with the word mentor being used in reference to Peja's relationship with Dukan. I think it's fair to assume that Peja, and maybe by extension, Vlade, see some future potential in Dukan. Dukan, like Curry, was getting offers from other NBA teams. So you either pull the trigger or you don't, depending on how you feel about a player. I know we all want every single player on our roster to be of NBA championship caliber, but that's unrealistic. Most teams have some investment in youth. We just went from a team that leaned hard toward youth, to a mostly veteran team. From that point of view, I don't have a problem with picking up a couple of young players.

Now if signing them ends up standing in the way of signing a player like Miller, then that's a different story. But since no one from the Kings office has given me a call to enlighten me on the why's and why not's of their thinking, it's hard to pass informed judgement. But if you want uninformed judgement, I have plenty of that. I wouldn't have signed Curry. Not because he doesn't deserve a chance, but because I had some other players I liked better. Dukan I'm OK with, because he probably won't see much of an NBA floor this coming season, and whoever he might have replaced wouldn't have contributed much either. At this point, all I can do is hope I'm wrong about the Curry signing. Go Seth!
Blast it. I liked your post because I agreed with the first paragraph. The second? Not so much. I think little Curry is a good signing. :)
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#56
Blast it. I liked your post because I agreed with the first paragraph. The second? Not so much. I think little Curry is a good signing. :)
Actually, I didn't say it was a bad signing, just that there were some other players I was more interested in. He may well turnout to be a steal. Who knows for sure. As I said, I think he earned a chance. When you excel in the D-League, and then do the same in summer league, there's not much left for you to do but move up to the next level. As I posted earlier, I really liked Scottie Wilbekin, but he was immediately snatched up. I liked him because, besides being a good athlete, he's a good 3pt shooter, good at getting to the basket and to the line, and is more of a true PG than Curry. Of course someone else thought so too.
 

CruzDude

Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
#57
Dukan could turn out to be Peja 2.0. Unknown, played on championship team, 6-10, very good 3-pt shooter, moves well and good ball handler and apparently a great guy. A contract guy in D-League for awhile plus some call up time could give him chsnce to backup lster in year and next year. Plus Peja and Vladfather likely see more in him than we can see.
 
#58
Dukan could turn out to be Peja 2.0. Unknown, played on championship team, 6-10, very good 3-pt shooter, moves well and good ball handler and apparently a great guy. A contract guy in D-League for awhile plus some call up time could give him chsnce to backup lster in year and next year. Plus Peja and Vladfather likely see more in him than we can see.

Hopefully they see someone who might develop in a year or two down in Reno. I know that they see more than I do but I had to actually look for info on this guy and he's not even an intl prospect. He played college in the USA. Not much out there because he didn't play that much. I trust in Vlade, but this signing was really "bleh".
 

funkykingston

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#59
Dukan could turn out to be Peja 2.0. Unknown, played on championship team, 6-10, very good 3-pt shooter, moves well and good ball handler and apparently a great guy. A contract guy in D-League for awhile plus some call up time could give him chsnce to backup lster in year and next year. Plus Peja and Vladfather likely see more in him than we can see.
I'd love it if Dukan became a contributor but Peja 2.0? Stojakovic was playing professional ball from age 16 and put up 24 ppg in the Greek League and 21 PPG in the Euroleague. He was a Euroleague scoring champ, a two time Europa player of the year, was the Greek League MVP and the EuroBasket MVP all before he set foot in the NBA.

Dukan didn't manage 5 ppg in his senior season and shot 39% from the field and 32% from three.

And Peja went on to be a two time 3PT shooting champ, three time all-star, a 2nd Team All-NBA selection and helped Dallas win a title.

Vlade wanted to sign Matt Bonner as a stretch 4 and while a slightly more realistic goal for Dukan to become a player of that stature, he's got a very long road ahead of him to even reach Bonner's level. After all, Bonner put up 15 ppg in his final season shooting 51% from the field and 47% from three and has had over a decade of NBA experience with most of it coming as a member of the best run organization in basketball.

I expect Dukan to spend most of next year in Reno and I hope he ends up being a surprise contributor sometime in the next two years but the Kings still very much need some added depth up front and I don't think Dukan is ready to do that at the NBA level.
 
#60
Dukan is currently the 14th player on the Kings bench. I found a nice article on his SL production and an analysis of his time spent at Wisconsin:

A couple of quotes:

"Dukan played well in Las Vegas averaging 9.2 points and 2.4 rebounds through his five games played. He shot 43.8% from the field and 41.7% from three-point range."

"Having an understanding of when to cut, when to pass, when to shoot, and which direction to go off of a screen can get you pretty far in the game."

"If there was one thing that you would learn from playing under Bo Ryan at Wisconsin it would be how to play the game of basketball correctly."

Link---> http://bustingbrackets.com/2015/07/...e-summer-is-a-testament-to-bo-ryans-tutelage/