Kings trade JT, Nik and Landry to Sixers (renamed)
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A meeting between Vivek Ranadive and LaMarcus Aldridge:
Vivek will be waiting in a dark room with a hanging lamp. He will be on his phone. LaMarcus will go to shake his hand and Vivek won't say anything, just make a simple gesture for him to sit down. LaMarcus will confusedly sit down and ask Vivek "Are you gonna give me a pitch, or what?"
Vivek will look deep into his eyes and slide the phone over. On it, Vivek is logged into his Twitter account and has only a simple hashtag in the text box, which reads "#LaDeMarcus". Vivek then says "Hit Tweet if you're in," and then the light shuts off.
(From something someone tweeted to Dave.)
Vivek will be waiting in a dark room with a hanging lamp. He will be on his phone. LaMarcus will go to shake his hand and Vivek won't say anything, just make a simple gesture for him to sit down. LaMarcus will confusedly sit down and ask Vivek "Are you gonna give me a pitch, or what?"
Vivek will look deep into his eyes and slide the phone over. On it, Vivek is logged into his Twitter account and has only a simple hashtag in the text box, which reads "#LaDeMarcus". Vivek then says "Hit Tweet if you're in," and then the light shuts off.
(From something someone tweeted to Dave.)
I have no idea what's apparently so complicated about waiting to see what we do with the cap space before judging whether or not getting that cap space was a mistake or not.
We've got an unknown use of said cap space and unknown future players in future drafts no one can identify, in future draft positions which are unknown as well.
What we do know is we've wasted the first 5 years of Cuz's career, he ain't happy, we've got to make moves to win now and we have a new arena opening after this coming season while the fan base is sick and tired of losing season after losing season. Addressing that in the here and now, which creating this cap space does if used correctly is what matters. Until it is used, some of these argument are pointless.
As for Lowe, if he had a crystal ball which allowed him to look into the future and see what players we've yet to sign and see how the trade would or would not turn out for us, then a) he wouldn't be an NBA writer and would instead be closer to the second coming of Nostradamus, and b) he wouldn't have been so off on Cuz. Instead, in actuality his crystal ball is a piece of crap he bought at Toys R Us, he's closer to Nostradumbass and he knows nothing more about this situation than many here.
We've got an unknown use of said cap space and unknown future players in future drafts no one can identify, in future draft positions which are unknown as well.
What we do know is we've wasted the first 5 years of Cuz's career, he ain't happy, we've got to make moves to win now and we have a new arena opening after this coming season while the fan base is sick and tired of losing season after losing season. Addressing that in the here and now, which creating this cap space does if used correctly is what matters. Until it is used, some of these argument are pointless.
As for Lowe, if he had a crystal ball which allowed him to look into the future and see what players we've yet to sign and see how the trade would or would not turn out for us, then a) he wouldn't be an NBA writer and would instead be closer to the second coming of Nostradamus, and b) he wouldn't have been so off on Cuz. Instead, in actuality his crystal ball is a piece of crap he bought at Toys R Us, he's closer to Nostradumbass and he knows nothing more about this situation than many here.
It was asinine at the time, it looks worse now. And of course based on profound ignorance. Lowe thinks he knows more than he does, but the fact he so rarely has had the complete picture necessary to understand context with us makes me profoundly uneasy about just how inaccurate he may be with everybody else too.
That was the first time I let him have it over the issue. I was right and he was wrong. The last time was a couple months ago when he decided to put Al Horford on his all NBA teams and leave off a HOFer putting up HOF numbers in a centerless age. I was right there too, and he was again wrong.
That was the first time I let him have it over the issue. I was right and he was wrong. The last time was a couple months ago when he decided to put Al Horford on his all NBA teams and leave off a HOFer putting up HOF numbers in a centerless age. I was right there too, and he was again wrong.
Okay I'll just say this:
1. If we grab a good FA who takes this team to the next level this is obviously a great deal. The problem is the if. I wouldn't take this risk without exploring other options
2. I am very fearful that this organization is guided by money more than basketball, but I'll hold off on judgment on that front as well.
I hope this works out well and Vlade builds us a great team. Going after Rondo is risky but it could be great. We'll see
Now on to hots dogs and brews, we shouldn't be yelling at each other with a 3 day weekend on the horizon
1. If we grab a good FA who takes this team to the next level this is obviously a great deal. The problem is the if. I wouldn't take this risk without exploring other options
2. I am very fearful that this organization is guided by money more than basketball, but I'll hold off on judgment on that front as well.
I hope this works out well and Vlade builds us a great team. Going after Rondo is risky but it could be great. We'll see
Now on to hots dogs and brews, we shouldn't be yelling at each other with a 3 day weekend on the horizon
You have 100 sport writers saying it's bad, including maybe the best NBA writer right now (Zach Lowe).
and than you have a local guy saying it's good....
Not the same...
and than you have a local guy saying it's good....
Not the same...
SWAP PICKS AFTER CUZ AND RUDY R GONE? when we are rebuilding yet again. oh yeah, bring it on baby. the irritant hired someone wayyyy the f smarter than him and handicapped us with some really stupid moves. we are in desperation mode right now. i fear his irritating might cause more foolish moves. -moves just to make moves bc it's something- i pray vlade has a plan bc if we end up missing on all the free agents ... we'll have a crapload of capspace, no 1st round picks to trade til 2025 and no pieces to move.
I'm seriously trying to understand why you don't get the difference.
There is the reporting side and the analysis side. and btw- no great reporter said this is going to happen, Woj (a reporter) said there were talks and didn't specify...
Analysis is totally different, it's disecting the move after it was made- there is no uncertainty, just making the points and trying to understand which side got the better part of the deal.
I know you think everybody is out to get us, but they are not- they are not right 100% of the time, and sometimes they can be too harsh on us... but good writers make good points about things- and to not count them just because "the media" is negative about us, is not very wise...
There is the reporting side and the analysis side. and btw- no great reporter said this is going to happen, Woj (a reporter) said there were talks and didn't specify...
Analysis is totally different, it's disecting the move after it was made- there is no uncertainty, just making the points and trying to understand which side got the better part of the deal.
I know you think everybody is out to get us, but they are not- they are not right 100% of the time, and sometimes they can be too harsh on us... but good writers make good points about things- and to not count them just because "the media" is negative about us, is not very wise...
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Ok, what risk are folks talking about?
Regarding players:
Stauskas is the only marginal risk even long term (if he becomes playoff team starter level), short term that matters for Kings (2 years).... no real risk.
Thompson is 3-4th big off the bench and he is a known commodity. 8-9th player off the bench for playoff team.
Laundry, lol.
Regarding picks:
2 possibilities:
-Kings become playoff team in the next 2 years...... will somebody really complain?
-Kings suck next 2 years and lose Cousins.
In that case, we did not give away any 1st round pick since we will be top 10 from the bottom. No risk.
Regarding swaps, both years we have Cousins. Philly will turn the corner one day, but you have to believe that it will be sharp turn in the next 2 years to be able to be better than Kings team with better roster and better coach to claim any risk here.
The only risk I see is if Kings win lottery, but would like first to see details if Philly will still be able to swap picks.
Regarding players:
Stauskas is the only marginal risk even long term (if he becomes playoff team starter level), short term that matters for Kings (2 years).... no real risk.
Thompson is 3-4th big off the bench and he is a known commodity. 8-9th player off the bench for playoff team.
Laundry, lol.
Regarding picks:
2 possibilities:
-Kings become playoff team in the next 2 years...... will somebody really complain?
-Kings suck next 2 years and lose Cousins.
In that case, we did not give away any 1st round pick since we will be top 10 from the bottom. No risk.
Regarding swaps, both years we have Cousins. Philly will turn the corner one day, but you have to believe that it will be sharp turn in the next 2 years to be able to be better than Kings team with better roster and better coach to claim any risk here.
The only risk I see is if Kings win lottery, but would like first to see details if Philly will still be able to swap picks.
OK, analysis you say. That is supposed to be impartial right?
- Title: "Salary dump". What Maloofs were doing was salary dump to save $$$. This move was definitely not to save money. Proper words are "cap space", but that is too impartial for this "analysis".
- Compare situation of a team going from playoff to contender which needed one more piece and had resource for that, with Kings which needed multiple pieces and had no resources to obtain them.
-"They already had something like $9 million in cap space before dumping money onto the ravenous Sixers, which should have been enough to make a fair offer for Rajon Rondo or Monta Ellis. " Proven wrong in case of Monta.
- "Offload Stauskas for free" is Lowe's suggestion for more money. What the heck???? This way (supposedly very bad) we got rid of a very bad contract and player who was marginal at best. Regarding picks, if Kings gambling does not pay out, no first rounder is lost which is I guess lament Lowe's have for this salary cap move.
- "rebuilding teams".. to me that shows that Lowe has no understanding of the stat of Kings and his point of view is skewed by that wrong assumption. Kings CANNOT be rebuilding team any more. There will be time for that if Cousins is gone. Kings time is NOW or we will really be rebuilding team for years to come after Cousins leaves. Kings simply have to be in win now mode.
- There goes list of bad drafts and Kings moves (yes we know that Kings franchise was clown last year but what that has to do with now beside need to overpay?), than going over board couple of times to make sure that all Kings choices are awful anyway (Matthews is so bad that Dallas wants him for 12 mil, but that does not fit the narrative). Glorify Middleton and Ellis (was not 9 mil enough for that guy as he stated?).
In short, fellow does not see that first pick will NOT exchange hands if he is right, sees team that has to be in win now mode as being in rebuilding mode, uses words and examples to fit his narrative without the any kind of balance, irrelevant bad stories again just to support narative, suggests even worse solution for Kings to get cap space than what he is criticizing....
That is one bad analysis.
- Title: "Salary dump". What Maloofs were doing was salary dump to save $$$. This move was definitely not to save money. Proper words are "cap space", but that is too impartial for this "analysis".
- Compare situation of a team going from playoff to contender which needed one more piece and had resource for that, with Kings which needed multiple pieces and had no resources to obtain them.
-"They already had something like $9 million in cap space before dumping money onto the ravenous Sixers, which should have been enough to make a fair offer for Rajon Rondo or Monta Ellis. " Proven wrong in case of Monta.
- "Offload Stauskas for free" is Lowe's suggestion for more money. What the heck???? This way (supposedly very bad) we got rid of a very bad contract and player who was marginal at best. Regarding picks, if Kings gambling does not pay out, no first rounder is lost which is I guess lament Lowe's have for this salary cap move.
- "rebuilding teams".. to me that shows that Lowe has no understanding of the stat of Kings and his point of view is skewed by that wrong assumption. Kings CANNOT be rebuilding team any more. There will be time for that if Cousins is gone. Kings time is NOW or we will really be rebuilding team for years to come after Cousins leaves. Kings simply have to be in win now mode.
- There goes list of bad drafts and Kings moves (yes we know that Kings franchise was clown last year but what that has to do with now beside need to overpay?), than going over board couple of times to make sure that all Kings choices are awful anyway (Matthews is so bad that Dallas wants him for 12 mil, but that does not fit the narrative). Glorify Middleton and Ellis (was not 9 mil enough for that guy as he stated?).
In short, fellow does not see that first pick will NOT exchange hands if he is right, sees team that has to be in win now mode as being in rebuilding mode, uses words and examples to fit his narrative without the any kind of balance, irrelevant bad stories again just to support narative, suggests even worse solution for Kings to get cap space than what he is criticizing....
That is one bad analysis.
You have 100 sport writers saying it's bad, including maybe the best NBA writer right now (Zach Lowe).
and than you have a local guy saying it's good....
Not the same...
and than you have a local guy saying it's good....
Not the same...
Would you feel this way if 100 sports writers LIKED the deal for us? I hope you aren't just running with the majority
People trying to prove there is no risk by citing how bad the players we traded are are missing the point. That's not risk and frankly nobody cares about them as a whole.
The risk is in trying to build through free agency in a small market where free agents rarely, if ever, sign. Small markets build through draft and then when they have enough talent and assets, they make a trade that will help them turn the corner.
Trying to buy free agents by trading draft picks and overspending will leave you unable to field a complete team.
Other teams may have gambled to clear cap space and didn't land their target, but they still had a playoff team to fall back on. Not only do we HAVE to land our target, that player has to perform up to expectations. We have no room for error.
The risk is in trying to build through free agency in a small market where free agents rarely, if ever, sign. Small markets build through draft and then when they have enough talent and assets, they make a trade that will help them turn the corner.
Trying to buy free agents by trading draft picks and overspending will leave you unable to field a complete team.
Other teams may have gambled to clear cap space and didn't land their target, but they still had a playoff team to fall back on. Not only do we HAVE to land our target, that player has to perform up to expectations. We have no room for error.
I agree with you about small market, but we did not give away anything regarding free agency unless (maybe) we win lottery in the next 2 years.
We did not give away first rounder unless we have success with free agency this year, in which case who cares. This is top 10 protected pick.
Unless you think that Philly will get much better in the next 2 years and we much worse we do not even have "trade picks" issue.
We did not give away first rounder unless we have success with free agency this year, in which case who cares. This is top 10 protected pick.
Unless you think that Philly will get much better in the next 2 years and we much worse we do not even have "trade picks" issue.
And buying into their opinion isn't any more wise. They are writers and not GM's for a reason. They don't know anymore about scheme, fit, personnel, etc. than Joe Blow fan. If you don't understand that, there's no helping you.
Besides, what you're saying applied more to the old school sports writer. Nowadays, these new age writers are in such a rush to be the first to say something about anything that they don't put a ton of thought or research into their work.
These National hacks have fair knowledge of about 10 teams across the league - the high profile ones they write and cover most often. But when it comes to the fringe playoff and non-playoff teams - their overall knowledge takes a drastic nosedive. It's akin to getting a book report from someone who only read cliffnotes or watched the movie trailer.
It has nothing to do with negativity. If all 100 writers loved what the Kings did, the point would remain unchanged. These hacks are clueless.
Besides, what you're saying applied more to the old school sports writer. Nowadays, these new age writers are in such a rush to be the first to say something about anything that they don't put a ton of thought or research into their work.
These National hacks have fair knowledge of about 10 teams across the league - the high profile ones they write and cover most often. But when it comes to the fringe playoff and non-playoff teams - their overall knowledge takes a drastic nosedive. It's akin to getting a book report from someone who only read cliffnotes or watched the movie trailer.
It has nothing to do with negativity. If all 100 writers loved what the Kings did, the point would remain unchanged. These hacks are clueless.
Assuming the swap picks are 2016 and 2017, CUZ AND RUDY ARE STILL UNDER CONTRACT. Which means, we are pretty much giving up a 2018 1st round pick. We may not be a championship team with the free agents we end up signing, but we need to keep Cuz happy. Win now! WCS and a couple solid free agents, Cuz gets into the playoffs and we'll see what happens from there.
On a side note, If we don't get Matthews, I say Rondo (10 mil), Koufos (8-9 mil???), and Caspi (3yr/9mil).
On a side note, If we don't get Matthews, I say Rondo (10 mil), Koufos (8-9 mil???), and Caspi (3yr/9mil).
And when do we have to? This franchise has been at the bottom of the the league for a decade now. Our franchise player has one foot out the door and people are complaining that the Kings gave up a protected first round pick to go after a FA that will keep Cousins around.
Would you rather have a pick outside the top 10 or Cousins?
Would you rather have a pick outside the top 10 or Cousins?