Kings trade JT, Nik and Landry to Sixers (renamed)
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No, the fact is that we have been slowly losing our game of chess, were down multiple pieces, and it came time for a gambit.
When you are playing a game and losing, then change the rules of the game. We just did. Fact is nobody had a realistic way we could definitely make the sort of jump we had to take. So most people were just going to complain and kind of quit and oh well maybe it all comes together some magical how, or maybe we have to rebuild again oh shucks. But nobody who wasn't deluded was looking at our "assets" and all our holes and saying we could really do anything dramatic enough to definitely turn things. So we were all aiming for, well, maybe if WCS pans out and maybe...we can get around .500 and maybe...
And Vlade said f that and changed our whole circumstances and opened up real possibilities for us. There is a time to be bold, always. Everytime you win at anything, there is always one key moment or move you make where you step out, do something out of the ordinary and change the game in your favor. And if you are just solid from that point on, you've in good shape and can run with it all the way home. We had no way to achieve what we needed to do. Now we MIGHT have a way to achieve it. Take that everytime.
When you are playing a game and losing, then change the rules of the game. We just did. Fact is nobody had a realistic way we could definitely make the sort of jump we had to take. So most people were just going to complain and kind of quit and oh well maybe it all comes together some magical how, or maybe we have to rebuild again oh shucks. But nobody who wasn't deluded was looking at our "assets" and all our holes and saying we could really do anything dramatic enough to definitely turn things. So we were all aiming for, well, maybe if WCS pans out and maybe...we can get around .500 and maybe...
And Vlade said f that and changed our whole circumstances and opened up real possibilities for us. There is a time to be bold, always. Everytime you win at anything, there is always one key moment or move you make where you step out, do something out of the ordinary and change the game in your favor. And if you are just solid from that point on, you've in good shape and can run with it all the way home. We had no way to achieve what we needed to do. Now we MIGHT have a way to achieve it. Take that everytime.
Vlade made dumb rookie moves, here I said it...
You are acting like a salary dump is a new invention by us... you are the one who talked about how destructive the Chicago deal really was- making as unable to make trades. now that we came close to recovering from it we locked ourselves up for more of that...
What we did this summer, is do the right move in a dumb way. we could have drafted Mudiay and traded him for WCS and extras (he was going to fall outside the top 10) and instead we just went in and got him- that's dumb.
We could have waited till we have something in our hands to do that trade, but we didn't- and now that Monta is out of the picture, not only Matthews know we have no others choice, he knows exactly how much we can offer him- that's dumb.
We traded to guys with positive trade value together with a future 1st rounders and pick swaps just to get rid of Landry's contract- that's dumb.
I'm sorry, but I just can't get in line with the thinking of- "because something good may come of it, it's a good move", even if it will turn out to be good it could've been better and our team as such little good that every thing we give up on has a huge impact.
You are acting like a salary dump is a new invention by us... you are the one who talked about how destructive the Chicago deal really was- making as unable to make trades. now that we came close to recovering from it we locked ourselves up for more of that...
What we did this summer, is do the right move in a dumb way. we could have drafted Mudiay and traded him for WCS and extras (he was going to fall outside the top 10) and instead we just went in and got him- that's dumb.
We could have waited till we have something in our hands to do that trade, but we didn't- and now that Monta is out of the picture, not only Matthews know we have no others choice, he knows exactly how much we can offer him- that's dumb.
We traded to guys with positive trade value together with a future 1st rounders and pick swaps just to get rid of Landry's contract- that's dumb.
I'm sorry, but I just can't get in line with the thinking of- "because something good may come of it, it's a good move", even if it will turn out to be good it could've been better and our team as such little good that every thing we give up on has a huge impact.
I think it's too bad we had to trade JT, because he went through a lot with the Kings. But the fact is that is not a top-tier talent...he's a serviceable player who has done solid work for the team for a long time. I agree wholeheartedly with Brick and others: we had to do something. Yes, this might blow up in our faces, but I'd rather take a gamble and see what happens than just be mediocre-to-bad forever. Screw that.
The 1st round draft pick/right to swap/Stauskas is the "way too much" most of us are referring to. Then we're going to use that money we just saved to make a monster offer to a guy coming off of an Achilles injury.
JT was serviceable. Someone might take a gamble on Stauskas. Our first round pick is very valuable given our status in the league. Don't you think we could have used that as a trade for someone? And we gave all that up to dump some salary so we can overpay some free agent.
JT was serviceable. Someone might take a gamble on Stauskas. Our first round pick is very valuable given our status in the league. Don't you think we could have used that as a trade for someone? And we gave all that up to dump some salary so we can overpay some free agent.
Michael K-B @therealmikekb
Per source, the Kings were so willing to part w/ Stauskas because Demarcus Cousins didn't get along w/ him. Kings trying to appease Cousins.
Michael K-B @therealmikekb
Per source, Cousins was very tough on Stauskas all last year. Told Kings management he wouldn't pass ball to Stauskas if on court together.
Wow.. Don't like to see that out of Cuz
Per source, the Kings were so willing to part w/ Stauskas because Demarcus Cousins didn't get along w/ him. Kings trying to appease Cousins.
Michael K-B @therealmikekb
Per source, Cousins was very tough on Stauskas all last year. Told Kings management he wouldn't pass ball to Stauskas if on court together.
Wow.. Don't like to see that out of Cuz
I'm sorry, but how do you know that? Because one week before the draft, a few mock drafts moved him down their boards because they suddenly "discovered" (or remembered) his injury as a sophmore? 2 weeks before the draft he was being mocked to the Knicks and the Magic and everyone was worried he wouldn't make it to 6. WCS went exactly where he was supposed to go. You saying he was going to fall outside of the top 10 doesn't make it true.
We didn't dump 3 picks. We gave a protected 2018 1st round pick and ONE 1st round pick swap option.
If the Bulls don't get our draft pick this year, Philly will have the option to switch with us and that's it.
It only goes to 2017 if they don't get the option to switch picks with us 2016. The bulls still have our pick top 10 protected in 2017.
If the Bulls don't get our draft pick this year, Philly will have the option to switch with us and that's it.
It only goes to 2017 if they don't get the option to switch picks with us 2016. The bulls still have our pick top 10 protected in 2017.
We dumped nothing of any value.
And we obviously aren't paying Rondo $18mil. If it comes to that we'll just free Denver or Brooklyn of their PG contracts and move on.
But now we might be able to get Rondo for $10 given the soft market, and that gets interesting. Way more guys out there looking to get paid then teams left to pay them. Way more teams looking to save themselves from the luxury tax then there are teams to take those salaries. There are dozens of guys out there, all of them more valuable then the pile of junk we gave up here. One mediocre backup big and a draft bust does not a croodile tear warrant.
And we obviously aren't paying Rondo $18mil. If it comes to that we'll just free Denver or Brooklyn of their PG contracts and move on.
But now we might be able to get Rondo for $10 given the soft market, and that gets interesting. Way more guys out there looking to get paid then teams left to pay them. Way more teams looking to save themselves from the luxury tax then there are teams to take those salaries. There are dozens of guys out there, all of them more valuable then the pile of junk we gave up here. One mediocre backup big and a draft bust does not a croodile tear warrant.
Lowe is reporting two swaps plus a first:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/616452415747956737
https://mobile.twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/616452415747956737
