One AND ONLY Cousins trade rumors thread

[rainmaker]

Those Karl quotes lend me to believe he's not entirely on board with Cuz and that there's truth to him looking around the league to gauge what kind of package he could get in return for him.

That was far from a commitment to him. That was far from backing Cuz. Notice when Vlade talks about Cuz it's much more forceful, much more commitment comes through. Or look at Gentry's quotes about Anthony Davis. Karl danced around the issue like any media savvy coach would who understands the game but fell well short of making it clear Cuz would be here next year or that Cuz is his guy. If you sign on to coach this team and Cuz isn't you guy, we've got a major problem.

If he was on the same page as Vlade the message would have sounded much more like what Vlade's been saying. Forceful. Explicit.

 

[VF21]

Those Karl quotes lend me to believe he's not entirely on board with Cuz and that there's truth to him looking around the league to gauge what kind of package he could get in return for him.

That was far from a commitment to him. That was far from backing Cuz. Notice when Vlade talks about Cuz it's much more forceful, much more commitment comes through. Or look at Gentry's quotes about Anthony Davis. Karl danced around the issue like any media savvy coach would who understands the game but fell well short of making it clear Cuz would be here next year or that Cuz is his guy.

If he was on the same page as Vlade the message would have sounded much more like what Vlade's been saying. Forceful. Explicit.

Exactly!

And that's why I think Karl needs to quit talking to the media. If he cannot be 100% on board with what Vlade is trying to do right now, he needs to shut up. Especially since, in the end, it's Vlade who will make the personnel decisions and not the coach, regardless of what George Karl might want to believe.

 

[lawlman91]

Karl and Cuz, and especially Karl, need to swallow their egos to get this thing right. Cuz probably won't get the same joy he got playing for Malone, but he needs to find a way. And it looks like he is trying and open to Karl's style, however a bit hesitant. But Karl. Please. Being hesitant is O.K., but stirring things up about DeMarcus Cousins? Please.

 

[jcwkings]

Then we see things entirely differently.

This isn't a time for Karl to be making pronouncements about players and their commitment. Your dislike of Cousins is tainting your view. It's a time for EVERYBODY to circle the wagons for the good of the team. THAT'S a real team game, not making "clever" comments about commitment, etc. Especially after the coach you're so enamored of tosses down the gauntlet by saying no player is untradeable, something Vlade and Vivek have now had to address way too many times.

I reiterate. Vlade Divac needs to be the ONLY one speaking for the Kings right now.

This isnt happening if DMC's camp doesnt request a trade. They requested a trade and DMC has been on a hiatus since the end of the season(understandable). If they dont request a trade and DMC would have said "Im gonna get away for a couple of months and unwind, then we can start with a clean slate", this isnt happenning. Why would a coach on his last legs consider trading a top 10 player and the best big man in the game? Karl is not an idiot, and hes not gonna let his character be walked over. "If he is commited then I am 120 percent comitted to making him the best player he will ever be". It takes two to tango, both parties have to man up and figure this out. I laugh at you saying I dislike DMC, im just objective, I love his game, great guy off the court, love his fire on the court, dont love his constant complaining to the refs, throwing tantrums when things dont go his way, it has a negative influence on the team when your best player does stuff like that.

 

[rainmaker]

Exactly!

And that's why I think Karl needs to quit talking to the media. If he cannot be 100% on board with what Vlade is trying to do right now, he needs to shut up. Especially since, in the end, it's Vlade who will make the personnel decisions and not the coach, regardless of what George Karl might want to believe.

My major concern is Karl's quotes confirmed he's a problem. The problem currently. Vlade's biggest issue he'll have to deal with. Also the apparent wedge between Cuz and wanting to stay here long term.

He easily could have heavily refuted/denied the rumors and made it clear Cuz is his guy and there's no way he'd trade him. He chose not to do that and he's a guy who knows exactly what he's saying.

I see Vlade attempting to shoulder and recover a number of mistakes/issues and this one guy, our coach, doing his own thing and dancing to his own beat.

 

[miltonap]

I honestly don't see anything wrong with what Karl said. He wants Cuz to be committed. Perhaps he got the impression that Cuz wasn't 100% committed after last season, which you can't really blame Cuz for. Last season was chaos. You can't blame Karl for wanting committed players. I think what needs to happen is that Karl and Cuz sit 1 on 1 and talk about all of this. Cuz needs to reaffirm that he is committed to the franchise.

Both of these guys want to win. I don't see why a common ground can't be established between the two parties.

 

[Jordan Goins]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo:

"In midst of DeMarcus saga, Kings showing strong interest in free agent C JaVale McGee, a source said. McGee played for George Karl in Denver"

 

[Livinthedream]

Those Karl quotes lend me to believe he's not entirely on board with Cuz and that there's truth to him looking around the league to gauge what kind of package he could get in return for him.

That was far from a commitment to him. That was far from backing Cuz. Notice when Vlade talks about Cuz it's much more forceful, much more commitment comes through. Or look at Gentry's quotes about Anthony Davis. Karl danced around the issue like any media savvy coach would who understands the game but fell well short of making it clear Cuz would be here next year or that Cuz is his guy. If you sign on to coach this team and Cuz isn't you guy, we've got a major problem.

If he was on the same page as Vlade the message would have sounded much more like what Vlade's been saying. Forceful. Explicit.

I understand what you and VF21 are saying and the emotions behind it. But you have to put it in context. Take into account who Karl is. As much of a loyalty guy Cousins is, so is Karl. Karl is accomplished and old (set in ways). he's not going to give his loyalty away to someone he doesn't know, pouted at the end of season, asked for time off and then had his camp ask for a trade.

I'm not defending Karl in the overall situation. I'm just saying Karl actually gave ground in that interview. I read the interview as Karl saying if Cousins is done pouting and done asking for a trade, let's go.

 

[ElRey]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo:

"In midst of DeMarcus saga, Kings showing strong interest in free agent C JaVale McGee, a source said. McGee played for George Karl in Denver"

Watch the media twist this as Kings looking for replacement for Demarcus, when they likely just looking for a backup center and PF.

 

[Spike]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo:

"In midst of DeMarcus saga, Kings showing strong interest in free agent C JaVale McGee, a source said. McGee played for George Karl in Denver"

Wait, what? McGee was, and remains, a knucklehead. He certainly wasn't a favorite of Karl.

 

[John Galt]

I understand what you and VF21 are saying and the emotions behind it. But you have to put it in context. Take into account who Karl is. As much of a loyalty guy Cousins is, so is Karl. Karl is accomplished and old (set in ways). he's not going to give his loyalty away to someone he doesn't know, pouted at the end of season, asked for time off and then had his camp ask for a trade.

I'm not defending Karl in the overall situation. I'm just saying Karl actually gave ground in that interview. I read the interview as Karl saying if Cousins is done pouting and done asking for a trade, let's go.

It does make sense against a backdrop of a secret DMC trade request. I would like to see some signs of solidarity among Vivek Vlade Karl - maybe they ARE on the same page and the "rumor" is really old water under the bridge.

 

[Spike]

I think we're in full-blown "throw out crap" mode.
Local news here mentioned Lawson + Chandler + Faried for Cousins, which doesn't even work.

 

[Chicken Chaser]

From the end of Voison's article: http://www.sacbee.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/ailene-voisin/article25347820.html

While Cousins has complained he has not heard from his coach, in an ominous sign, Karl said he has sent an estimated 10 texts or phone calls since the season ended, none of which has initiated a response. In a brief conversation Tuesday, Karl sounded as exasperated as Divac.

“I want to get better,” Karl said. “I’ve had more conversations with my staff about ‘How we are going to coach him (Cousins), how we are going to motivate him, connect with him?’ than anything else.”

Asked about speculation he has been pressuring management to trade the All-Star center, Karl replied, “We won 29 games last year. Cuz is our best player. We know that, and we want him committed. My interest right now is commitment, trust and building a team that’s excited about being in Sacramento, excited and committed to being a good basketball team. Rudy (Gay) is just like Cuz. They’re our two best basketball players, and 99, 95 percent of this (trade) stuff is just a bunch of innuendo, gossip and somebody putting two and two together until it becomes six. But two and two comes out four, and they’re going to be on our basketball team.”

It sounds similar to the Jim Crandall interview, but there's added context. I don't know where the bits about unanswered texts/calls came from, or the inclusion of Rudy Gay trade rumors being a bunch of innuendo. Maybe this was off-camera? The video interview didn't seem to edit anything out.

 

[Kingster]

Then we see things entirely differently.

This isn't a time for Karl to be making pronouncements about players and their commitment. Your dislike of Cousins is tainting your view. It's a time for EVERYBODY to circle the wagons for the good of the team. THAT'S a real team game, not making "clever" comments about commitment, etc. Especially after the coach you're so enamored of tosses down the gauntlet by saying no player is untradeable, something Vlade and Vivek have now had to address way too many times.

I reiterate. Vlade Divac needs to be the ONLY one speaking for the Kings right now.

Well then Vlade should be the one making that decision, shouldn't he?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo:

"In midst of DeMarcus saga, Kings showing strong interest in free agent C JaVale McGee, a source said. McGee played for George Karl in Denver"

Wait, what? McGee was, and remains, a knucklehead. He certainly wasn't a favorite of Karl.

BREAKING NEWS: Sources close to @Spike are reporting that he has expressed strong interest in Christina Hendricks.


... But he can't have her, because she's mine.

 

[Spike]

BREAKING NEWS: Sources close to @Spike are reporting that he has expressed strong interest in Christina Hendricks.

... But he can't have her, because she's mine.

I heard there's an offer on the table which includes Scarlett Johansson, Pam Grier and #8 in next year's draft.

 

[swisshh]

I've been gone all day. Is there somewhere that has a rundown on what's gone on today?

 

[jdbraver]

I've been gone all day. Is there somewhere that has a rundown on what's gone on today?

Poop.

 

[rainmaker]

Just compare the videos of Vlade and Karl. One looks extremely emphatic and committed to Cuz and isn't all that happy Cuz's future here is even in question. The other is dancing around the issue at hand like he's a few blocks down the street running for political office.

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2015/6/23/8836039/vlade-divac-demarcus-cousins-george-karl

http://www.sacbee.com/incoming/article25359394.html

Ignoring the questions about trading Cuz while questioning Cuz's commitment really wasn't the right path to take this.

Just imagine Doc being asked if he'd trade Griffin/CP3 or Gentry if he'd trade Davis or Donovan if he'd trade Durant/WB or Kerr if he'd trade Steph, and on and on. Response would be quite different.

 

[Gilles]

My major concern is Karl's quotes confirmed he's a problem. The problem currently. Vlade's biggest issue he'll have to deal with. Also the apparent wedge between Cuz and wanting to stay here long term.

He easily could have heavily refuted/denied the rumors and made it clear Cuz is his guy and there's no way he'd trade him. He chose not to do that and he's a guy who knows exactly what he's saying.

I see Vlade attempting to shoulder and recover a number of mistakes/issues and this one guy, our coach, doing his own thing and dancing to his own beat.

Denver let Karl go after 57-win season, so any reason would suffice along with his meddling. If Kings don't get into postseason this season, there's a good reason. If Kings don't get past first round by 2017 - good enough too. Meanwhile Vlade can think about the coach, he wants.

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo:
"In midst of DeMarcus saga, Kings showing strong interest in free agent C JaVale McGee, a source said. McGee played for George Karl in Denver"

Spike already mentioned it, but Karl didn't want Mcgee on the floor, because George a) liked, what Kosta brought to the table, b) felt McGee and Faried are too similar offensively - work from the same spots, in the same plays.

 

[Fear the Putin]

I heard there's an offer on the table which includes Scarlett Johansson, Pam Grier and #8 in next year's draft.

I'm intrigued now

 

[macadocious]

Pam Grier now or Pam Grier 1972?

 

[nebs]

I've been gone all day. Is there somewhere that has a rundown on what's gone on today?

Just read the last couple pages. Don't be lazy lol.

 

[ninjabiscuit]

My major concern is Karl's quotes confirmed he's a problem. The problem currently. Vlade's biggest issue he'll have to deal with. Also the apparent wedge between Cuz and wanting to stay here long term.

He easily could have heavily refuted/denied the rumors and made it clear Cuz is his guy and there's no way he'd trade him. He chose not to do that and he's a guy who knows exactly what he's saying.

I see Vlade attempting to shoulder and recover a number of mistakes/issues and this one guy, our coach, doing his own thing and dancing to his own beat.

Agree 100%. It's not my money, so it's easy for me to say, but after the day that Vivek and Vlade have had, if Karl STILL can't say the right things, I'd fire him. There's an arena on the way, and plenty of fans are worried about the product on the court. Asterisk George Karl. See ya.

 

[AaronPDX]

There seems to be something more to this than all of us are seeing. For the first time, and I hate to admit it, I think Cousins is getting traded. This is NOT what I want, but if it's gonna happen, we better get a ransom in return. Players + Picks.

 

[Chicken Chaser]

There seems to be something more to this than all of us are seeing. For the first time, and I hate to admit it, I think Cousins is getting traded. This is NOT what I want, but if it's gonna happen, we better get a ransom in return. Players + Picks.

I can't be the only one, but I'm tired of seeing random posts pop in the middle of thread with no regard to previous posts or contexts, clamoring the sky is falling. It's not even a discussion. It's just paranoia. Let Vlade do his job. Let Coach Karl do his job. Let DeMarcus Cousins do his job. F*** everyone else trying to distract them from getting it done.

"Man, this city done put me through so much, and I stayed loyal to it the whole time. Hey, I just wanna know how you gonna stop God's plan? God gives his hardest battles to his strongest soldiers. The marathon continues. I'm out." - Boogie

 

[sdballer]

I can't be the only one, but I'm tired of seeing random posts pop in the middle of thread with no regard to previous posts or contexts, clamoring the sky is falling. It's not even a discussion. It's just paranoia. Let Vlade do his job. Let Coach Karl do his job. Let DeMarcus Cousins do his job. F*** everyone else trying to distract them from getting it done.

"Man, this city done put me through so much, and I stayed loyal to it the whole time. Hey, I just wanna know how you gonna stop God's plan? God gives his hardest battles to his strongest soldiers. The marathon continues. I'm out." - Boogie

Because there is still a ton of issues to be concerned with that will likely lead to Boogie leaving the Kings. Two interviews (one half-hearted by the Coach fully involved in the problem) didn't solve anything

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

Yeah I would take anything Jones say as a grain of salt. He is a notorious Lakers fan, and we know he doesn't really have any "sources" within the Kings. You could tell from his article today that his "source" is Cousin's agent.

Yes, someone with twitter should tweet Jason Jones that the kingsfans folks are putting in a pettition for sacbee to fire his ass. We will not tolerate a Lakers fan reporting on the Kings and getting paid for it.

He's always had this cocky attitude since day one on his job. He made it so clear that he is a Lakers fan and he is just reporting the kings because he is paid to do so.

 

[AaronPDX]

I can't be the only one, but I'm tired of seeing random posts pop in the middle of thread with no regard to previous posts or contexts, clamoring the sky is falling. It's not even a discussion. It's just paranoia. Let Vlade do his job. Let Coach Karl do his job. Let DeMarcus Cousins do his job. F*** everyone else trying to distract them from getting it done.

"Man, this city done put me through so much, and I stayed loyal to it the whole time. Hey, I just wanna know how you gonna stop God's plan? God gives his hardest battles to his strongest soldiers. The marathon continues. I'm out." - Boogie

We can always just stick our heads in the sand, too.

 

[bajaden]

Wait, what? McGee was, and remains, a knucklehead. He certainly wasn't a favorite of Karl.

Yeah, one of the reasons that management in Denver was upset with Karl was that he wouldn't start McGee. I seriously doubt that Karl wants McGee on the team.