There's no good reason as to why Vivek owns a damn seat at the Oracle. NONE. The guy just doesn't seem to get it. If you're the Kings owner, you should bleed purple. Nobody should even THINK to question your loyalty. I hope I'm not jumping the gun on this story and there not game changing info on the situation, but knowing what I know thus far....... makes me sick.
Honestly, it doesn't bother me that he goes to these games. If I was a billionaire, I would too. The Kings are his business, not his life.
However, my biggest complaint is that with how hands on he is with the Kings, how he dances with a rival is a little offputting. If he was one of those owners who just sign checks and never interferes, wouldn't give a care that he's an NBA fan. But the fact that he's trying to play with the Kings like it's a start-up and then goes to watch other teams play like a casual fan makes me wish he wasn't our owner.
However, my biggest complaint is that with how hands on he is with the Kings, how he dances with a rival is a little offputting. If he was one of those owners who just sign checks and never interferes, wouldn't give a care that he's an NBA fan. But the fact that he's trying to play with the Kings like it's a start-up and then goes to watch other teams play like a casual fan makes me wish he wasn't our owner.
Sorry but you people who see nothing wrong are in the tiny minority.
This kind of behavior IS NOT tolerated in any other sport. Like someone mentioned earlier, if he were a premier league owner and pulled this sh#! they would burn the stadium down. Im not saying its right, its just the way it is.
hard-boiled made a very good point. Vivek sees the kings as a business and his heart is with the warriors. How do we as fanatics reconcile that?
This and everything he has done up to now just back up my perception that he is a small time owner. Naive and small time. My expectations for this team are low. Very low........
This kind of behavior IS NOT tolerated in any other sport. Like someone mentioned earlier, if he were a premier league owner and pulled this sh#! they would burn the stadium down. Im not saying its right, its just the way it is.
hard-boiled made a very good point. Vivek sees the kings as a business and his heart is with the warriors. How do we as fanatics reconcile that?
This and everything he has done up to now just back up my perception that he is a small time owner. Naive and small time. My expectations for this team are low. Very low........
I hope Vivek is at least scouting for our upcoming, game-changing draft from his Warriors court-side season ticket seat.
Not from my viewpoint. Winning or losing, I don't want the owner of my team being a season ticket holder of another team. I want him completely invested in this product not Golden States.
Not from my viewpoint. Winning or losing, I don't want the owner of my team being a season ticket holder of another team. I want him completely invested in this product not Golden States.
Stauskas. Stuaskas? Stauskas? Stauskas? You, Stauskas?
"Pete, go on the radio and tell the fans they don't know what they're talking about."
"I'm the irritant!"
"Marching band. No wait, jazz band. Tyrone, you're a jazz guy, right?"
"NBA 3.0"
"India's gonna love the Kings. No, it doesn't matter if they win. As long as they run around REALLY fast."
"Of course I know what I'm talking. I coached an 8th grade girls team. And we almost won it all."
Amateur is exactly what he is.
"Pete, go on the radio and tell the fans they don't know what they're talking about."
"I'm the irritant!"
"Marching band. No wait, jazz band. Tyrone, you're a jazz guy, right?"
"NBA 3.0"
"India's gonna love the Kings. No, it doesn't matter if they win. As long as they run around REALLY fast."
"Of course I know what I'm talking. I coached an 8th grade girls team. And we almost won it all."
Amateur is exactly what he is.
Vivek came to the states with an idea to write code and become a billionaire. Mission accomplished. What he did not come here to do was become a owner of a sports franchise, just so happens, he had some money to throw around and thought he can use the Kings as an experiment with zero knowledge about basketball and trying to re invent the game with his choice of words. The fact that he still has that Warriors mentality even now tells me he should of never gave up his piece of ownership in the Bay but when you want your own team, I can't blame him for that, it's just unfortunate for us loyal fans that have to go through this non sense.
I'm reposting my screed from the other thread over here. Dog ate my homework, so I'm trying to repost without adjusting what I said before so that I'm not hindsighting the criticisms from the other thread.
2 decades ago I had some very minor sightlines into the Jazz organization during the end of the Stockton and Malone era. This is 1) a single data point, and 2) a few decades old, so take it for what it's worth, but what I saw mapped pretty well to Vivek's complaint. Lots of snuggly relationships with a fair number of title only jobs that existed mostly for the family contacts and perks. Back then, people also considered the Jazz to be a model franchise by NBA standards. I can imagine it being worse in other places.
The NBA is a relatively small organization that commands a lot of power, money and prestige. It is also an effective monopoly, having eaten its younger siblings in organized basketball. It still has to compete with other entertainment choices for eyeballs, but for pro basketball, nothing else even comes close. Small organizations with lots of power and money and not subject to much competitive pressure are a breeding ground for cronyism and good ol' boy clubs.
Vivek's complaint about cronyism strikes me as a bit hypocritical in light of his behavior as an owner. I am agnostic on the Vlade hire, but hiring a guy for reasons having nothing to do with his proven ability is generally not a good sign.
2 decades ago I had some very minor sightlines into the Jazz organization during the end of the Stockton and Malone era. This is 1) a single data point, and 2) a few decades old, so take it for what it's worth, but what I saw mapped pretty well to Vivek's complaint. Lots of snuggly relationships with a fair number of title only jobs that existed mostly for the family contacts and perks. Back then, people also considered the Jazz to be a model franchise by NBA standards. I can imagine it being worse in other places.
The NBA is a relatively small organization that commands a lot of power, money and prestige. It is also an effective monopoly, having eaten its younger siblings in organized basketball. It still has to compete with other entertainment choices for eyeballs, but for pro basketball, nothing else even comes close. Small organizations with lots of power and money and not subject to much competitive pressure are a breeding ground for cronyism and good ol' boy clubs.
Vivek's complaint about cronyism strikes me as a bit hypocritical in light of his behavior as an owner. I am agnostic on the Vlade hire, but hiring a guy for reasons having nothing to do with his proven ability is generally not a good sign.
It's not the kids' fault their dad bought a different team than the one they've followed. I can't think of another situation like this in any major sport, so I think it's really patently unfair of us to dump on Vivek and his family for rooting for all the guys they know. If the Kings were in the playoffs it might be different but I believe this whole Warriors thing has just gone way too far.
As far as "almost masked their contempt" let's be honest. I think we saw the same look on some diehard Kings fans.
As far as "almost masked their contempt" let's be honest. I think we saw the same look on some diehard Kings fans.
Look if his own team weren't in such disarray it might be a different story, but it is. Or it was and we don't know for sure if it still is or not. Maybe him being there means he's outwardly trying to show he's going to separate himself from the Kings internal dealings so that might be a good thing, who knows.
Maybe my perspective on life has changed, but this entire thread seems like much ado about nothing. If the Kings make the playoffs next season and are competitive, will any of this matter. Sometimes I think people just look for something to be angry about. But hey, don't let me interfere. Anger away!
I'm not sure why modern society jumps to such extreme examples, black and white, either/or scenarios without acknowledging a middle ground. How about instead of "disowning" them, let them do what they want since they're adults while being less visible yourself than having a courtside seat with your name engraved in it? Or is the argument supposed to be that sitting courtside with an engraving in your seat is the only way to show support for your former team?
How about telling his kids "since I'm the owner and representative of the Sacramento Kings and since I made a few mistakes and we had a terrible season, it's probably not appropriate for me to be seen courtside rooting for another NBA team, as no other owner in pro sports would or has done the same, so you enjoy watching from where you will but I'll either watch from a suite or at home in a less visible manner out of respect for the fan base I in-part represent"?
If I can quickly come up with a solution to that issue, I'd sure as hell hope a billionaire and owner of our franchise could as well.
Yeah, I'm going to say "warring Nations" doesn't really apply here.
What we are are competing franchises in a pro sports league. An owner represents his team against the competition. It's us vs them and is why we never see any other owners doing the same. That he played a big part in our current crap situation/reputation, basking in the success of our NorCal rival at this time looks even worse. If we were actually a good team and he still did it, it's no better.
How about telling his kids "since I'm the owner and representative of the Sacramento Kings and since I made a few mistakes and we had a terrible season, it's probably not appropriate for me to be seen courtside rooting for another NBA team, as no other owner in pro sports would or has done the same, so you enjoy watching from where you will but I'll either watch from a suite or at home in a less visible manner out of respect for the fan base I in-part represent"?
If I can quickly come up with a solution to that issue, I'd sure as hell hope a billionaire and owner of our franchise could as well.
Yeah, I'm going to say "warring Nations" doesn't really apply here.
What we are are competing franchises in a pro sports league. An owner represents his team against the competition. It's us vs them and is why we never see any other owners doing the same. That he played a big part in our current crap situation/reputation, basking in the success of our NorCal rival at this time looks even worse. If we were actually a good team and he still did it, it's no better.
Let's be honest here. We've never seen another owner doing the same thing because, to the best of my knowledge, there's never been a situation quite like Vivek - who was a part owner of the Warriors before he bought the Kings.
People say things like "Mark Cuban would never root for the Spurs". Well, Cuban wasn't part owner of the Spurs before he bought the Mavs. I just do not think there's a parallel to be drawn and it is still my personal opinion that some people are making way too much of this whole deal. But YMMV.
People say things like "Mark Cuban would never root for the Spurs". Well, Cuban wasn't part owner of the Spurs before he bought the Mavs. I just do not think there's a parallel to be drawn and it is still my personal opinion that some people are making way too much of this whole deal. But YMMV.
His kids don't bother me in the slightest. They are their own people who can support who they like.
It's more galling to see them pretending to me kings fans.
Be nice for Vivek to just pretend he isn't a warriors fan at least. I mean watch the game on a huge cinema screen with your family.
i don't really lose sleep about Vivek doing this but as others have said in Europe fans would want blood for this kind of thing.
Can you imagine the owner of rangers going to Celtic games or Liverpool watching Everton. Gee whiz.
It's more galling to see them pretending to me kings fans.
Be nice for Vivek to just pretend he isn't a warriors fan at least. I mean watch the game on a huge cinema screen with your family.
i don't really lose sleep about Vivek doing this but as others have said in Europe fans would want blood for this kind of thing.
Can you imagine the owner of rangers going to Celtic games or Liverpool watching Everton. Gee whiz.
I'd rather just take the positive on this one.
Vivek is a proven successful innovator. He is one who is not afraid to adapt new or current trend of ideas, integrate them with old ones, for the sake of making a better one.
Vivek certainly can pick-up some valuable lessons on how to build a winning team by associating with guys in a winning team like the Warriors.
Vivek is a proven successful innovator. He is one who is not afraid to adapt new or current trend of ideas, integrate them with old ones, for the sake of making a better one.
Vivek certainly can pick-up some valuable lessons on how to build a winning team by associating with guys in a winning team like the Warriors.