2015 Draft Prospects:

Glenn

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Stauskas is absolutely useless right now, and it's not reasonable to expect him to become a reliable cog next season. At the same time he has occasional flashes, and he will always shoot lights out, so he has value, which can be better used than him sitting on the bench until garbage time next season. Rookie bigs, who were one and done, are always minus defenders for a couple of years, and Towns is not a good one right now: he's a true C as far as quickness, and ability to defend in space are concerned, and for C he has very weak lower body. His shot-blocking is based on allowance by his coach to run around hunting for blocks regardless of such useless things like positioning and blocking out. Towns is still extremely talented and versatile offensive player, totally worth top pick.
I hope we are all right about Stauskas. I know he can shoot. He is not living up to his press clippings in that he his having trouble with the rest of his game. Almost a bad as McLemore last year. ;)

I think Mac is going to fit a role very nicely. Perhaps never an iso player but damn near everything else including defense.

I have not been reading this thread which I am sure is my loss but would WCS fit in now that he is available. Would his scrawny body be useful next to Cuz. I know he has great defensive range. He never would be an offensive powerhouse but check back in 5 years. With the skills he has now, I like him. Is he guaranteed to come out?

Sorry to barge in. It's been quite a year with my health. A comfy chair and a cerveza might help.
 
Ben is still incostistent, and so would be Nik, IF he makes the same huge leap. Kings need a reliable guard in the rotation, and it's not clear Ramon and Ray could be relied on next season either.
 
WCS's stock has probably gone down a bit. Had a poor month of January in terms of offensive production/stats. I think there will be a lot of teams passing up a flier on him in the top 5. He's the most ready NBA player in this lottery, but he has the lowest ceiling.
 

bajaden

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WCS's stock has probably gone down a bit. Had a poor month of January in terms of offensive production/stats. I think there will be a lot of teams passing up a flier on him in the top 5. He's the most ready NBA player in this lottery, but he has the lowest ceiling.
Well, I never had him in the top five to begin with, although its possible at number five. But your premise couldn't be further from the truth. Have you watched the games? There are games where he only plays 18 minutes a game. Same with Towns. Too many times they jump out to a big lead, and for the most part, Stein's offense isn't needed. I think as they get closer to the tournament, Calapari will start to shorten his rotation and go away from the two unit grouping that he's been using. But seriously, don't you think the scouts know what Cauley-Stein can do and can't do by now. I watch Kentucky games now for fun, not to rate players. I've seen them play so many times there's no mystery for me as to their talent. A couple of games where someone doesn't score, or has a bad shooting night, doesn't affect my opinion very much at this point.

Cauley-Stein is, in my opinion the best defensive big man in this draft, and upon entering the NBA will automatically become one of the best defensive big men in the NBA. Players like him don't grow on trees. I see him going somewhere between the 6th and 9th spot, depending on the needs of the teams choosing. If were still sitting in the 6th spot, I don't see him getting past us, unless someone projected higher, (Russell, Towns, etc.) slides down. As far as upside, I guess it depends on what your talking about. His offense has improved every year, and I have no doubt it will continue to improve. All he'll have to do in the NBA is work on his game. He'll be able to afford the best trainers and skills experts to help him. No more classes to attend. Just basketball full time. He has a great work ethic, so he'll get better. But he'll always be valued for his defensive skills, and frankly, on the Kings, who the hell cares how great an offensive player he'll be. He only has to be good enough that you have to guard him.
 

bajaden

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I hope we are all right about Stauskas. I know he can shoot. He is not living up to his press clippings in that he his having trouble with the rest of his game. Almost a bad as McLemore last year. ;)

I think Mac is going to fit a role very nicely. Perhaps never an iso player but damn near everything else including defense.

I have not been reading this thread which I am sure is my loss but would WCS fit in now that he is available. Would his scrawny body be useful next to Cuz. I know he has great defensive range. He never would be an offensive powerhouse but check back in 5 years. With the skills he has now, I like him. Is he guaranteed to come out?

Sorry to barge in. It's been quite a year with my health. A comfy chair and a cerveza might help.
Sorry, I've been off doing other things, so I'm a little late in addressing this. First, let me say this one more time about Stauskas. I think he's going to be a good player in this league. I know people look at his stats, and think, wow, he hasn't done much to warrant where he was picked in the draft. Well first lets address why he was picked where he was, and remember, there were teams choosing behind us that were rumored to choose Nik if we passed on him. In other words, he was highly rated by a lot of teams, not just us. So why? OK, the obvious is that he shots lights out. He shot 5o% on 2 pt baskets both years at Michigan. His FGP for both years was 46.3% and 47.0% respectively. Both excellent percentages, but when it came to the three point shot, he shot 44.0% as a freshman and 44.2% as a sophmore. You can't get more consistent than that. So yes, his shooting was what got him noticed, but what propelled him up the draft board, was his overall court awareness and BBIQ.

He proved to be a good ballhandler. No, he's not Tyreke Evans, but he's pretty darned good. So let me ask you this. How many times this year have you seen Nik handle the ball on a regular basis? Yeah, on occasion he'll leave the corner and the ball will be passed to him, and usually his job at that point is to make an entry pass to Cousins, or Landry or whomever happens to be the post up player. I've watched games where he has gone 4 to 5 minutes on the floor without even touching the ball once on offense. So let me ask you this. How is a player supposed to make any kind of impact when he never touches the ball? And if he does touch the ball, it's usually another 3 to 4 minutes before he touches the ball again. At Michigan Nik had the ball in his hands a lot. He was excellent at running the pick and roll. How many times have you seen Nik run the pick and roll? At Michigan Nik led his team in assists his sophmore year and played as a point SF or SG a lot of the time. Many NBA scouts projected him as a possible PG in the future because of his court vision and passing ability.

My point is, how can anyone seriously pass judgement on Stauskas when we haven't even tried to use the abilities he was drafted for. By no means am I saying that I know for sure that he's going to be great. What I'am saying, is that he has the talent to be a really good player, and I would like to see him get the chance to prove it. If I'm right, then he becomes an asset, either as a contributer to the team, or as a valuable trading chip. OK, enough said about Stauskas. I think Cauley-Stein is the perfect choice to put along side Cousins. He's a terrific defender, not only as a shotblocker, but individually, he can guard every single position on the floor. He has terrific lateral quickness, and the only other big man in the NBA that I might compare his quickness to is Anthony Davis, and personally, I think he's a little quicker than Davis laterally. He's outstanding at defending the pick and roll. I've seen him time and time again switch to the PG on the P&R, push him out, and then get back to the basket to block the shot of the roller from behind. Not too many bigs can do that.

You mentioned his being skinny. First remember that he's around 7'1" in shoes, so he's a legit 7 footer. Second, when he arrived at Kentucky he weighed around 210 pounds, and now he weighs close to 250 pounds. So he has added weight, mostly muscle, and will probably continue to do so once in the NBA. He borders on being a freak athlete, and played wide reciever and then tight end in highschool. Must have been quite a target for the quarterback. While he'll probably never be a great offensive player, his offense has improved every year, and he's now a reliable contributer on offense. From the Kings point of view, I think he's perfect. He doesn't demand the ball. He can score when set up properly, and doesn't usually force shots.

He's an unselfish player and a willing passer. However, passing is not his strength. He's OK passing out of a double team, but I wouldn't want to run the ball through him on a regular basis. Similarly, his ballhandling has improved, but I wouldn't want him attacking the basket. He's also developed into a good rebounder. Hard to tell this year because he surrounded by a bunch of good rebounders, Karl Towns, Dakari Johnson, Trey Lyles, Marcus Lee, and Derek Willis. All 6'9"or taller. Kentucky's starting front line is Stein, 7 foot, Towns, 6'11", and Lyles, 6'9.5". Usually he's battling his own teammate for a board. But its his defense that shines. If he were given the minutes of some of the other players in college that are putting up big shotblocking numbers, he might be heading the class. But with the system Calapari's running, he's only averaging 24/25 minutes a game, not to mention he's playing along side another shotblocker in Towns, who is averaging 2.4 blocks a game. Stein went from around 3 blocks a game last season, to 1.5 blocks this season. Make no mistake though, he can protect the rim, as well as the perimeter.
 

bajaden

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Chad Ford has us taking Stein 6th overall.

(Even though Ford was caught editing his draft boards post draft recently)
I could see us taking Stein at six, or possibly seven, depending on where we finally end up. There's always that remote chance we finally get lucky with the ping pong balls. OK, now I'm going to say something that might make some think I'm crazy. Now that Karl is the head coach, and he's bringing in Walberg as his assistant, the way we run our offense is going change dramatically. Walberg is the father of the dribble drive offense that Calapari runs at Kentucky. One plus should be that Cousins is already somewhat familiar with the offense since he went to Kentucky. Having said that, it would make sense that we draft a player that would fit that offense. And Cauley-Stein, another Kentucky product, would seem to fit that bill. But there's another big man out there that has a lot of the qualities necessary for that offense and that's Frank Kaminsky, the center for Wisconsin. He's not the defensive player that Stein is, but he's not a bad defender. He does block shots. He's a decent rebounder. Where he excels is in his ability to hit the outside shot. He's a deadly three point shooter, who is also quite capable of scoring in the post.

Make no mistake, I would take Cauley-Stein first over Kaminsky, but if Stein isn't there for some reason, like we end up picking in the 9th spot, then I would give serious consideration to taking Kaminsky. Right now he's in the running for college player of the year and the Wooden award.
 
I could see us taking Stein at six, or possibly seven, depending on where we finally end up. There's always that remote chance we finally get lucky with the ping pong balls. OK, now I'm going to say something that might make some think I'm crazy. Now that Karl is the head coach, and he's bringing in Walberg as his assistant, the way we run our offense is going change dramatically. Walberg is the father of the dribble drive offense that Calapari runs at Kentucky. One plus should be that Cousins is already somewhat familiar with the offense since he went to Kentucky. Having said that, it would make sense that we draft a player that would fit that offense. And Cauley-Stein, another Kentucky product, would seem to fit that bill. But there's another big man out there that has a lot of the qualities necessary for that offense and that's Frank Kaminsky, the center for Wisconsin. He's not the defensive player that Stein is, but he's not a bad defender. He does block shots. He's a decent rebounder. Where he excels is in his ability to hit the outside shot. He's a deadly three point shooter, who is also quite capable of scoring in the post.

Make no mistake, I would take Cauley-Stein first over Kaminsky, but if Stein isn't there for some reason, like we end up picking in the 9th spot, then I would give serious consideration to taking Kaminsky. Right now he's in the running for college player of the year and the Wooden award.
If we do hit the jackpot what would be best for us? Elite stretch 4 in Towns? Next Harden/Westbrook in Russle/Mudiay?

From what Iʻve seen of Okafor, I donʻt think he would fit with Boogie well. Though I havent seen that much, only youtube stuff.
 
If we do hit the jackpot what would be best for us? Elite stretch 4 in Towns? Next Harden/Westbrook in Russle/Mudiay?

From what Iʻve seen of Okafor, I donʻt think he would fit with Boogie well. Though I havent seen that much, only youtube stuff.
This is hard.... Okafor would be crossed off..doesn't bod well with Cuz at all. I think for me, it would be down to Russell, Towns, and Mudiay. Russell could be in the making of another great PG like Curry...he can come in his rookie year and dominate like Lillard. Towns is a bit raw, but at the very least he gives you rebounding and shot blocking with huge upside his rookie year. Mudiay could be like MCW. Eh shooting, but has a huge impact on a sucky team.

I'd lean towards Russell a bit. Amazing talent, and if you get the opportunity to have a Curry on this team, you don't pass it up. Towns would be a great guy, but he may be a bit too raw. I see him averaging around 10-15mpg his rookie year while showing a ton of potential like Rudy Gobert currently is.


Who would you pick?
 
This is hard.... Okafor would be crossed off..doesn't bod well with Cuz at all. I think for me, it would be down to Russell, Towns, and Mudiay. Russell could be in the making of another great PG like Curry...he can come in his rookie year and dominate like Lillard. Towns is a bit raw, but at the very least he gives you rebounding and shot blocking with huge upside his rookie year. Mudiay could be like MCW. Eh shooting, but has a huge impact on a sucky team.

I'd lean towards Russell a bit. Amazing talent, and if you get the opportunity to have a Curry on this team, you don't pass it up. Towns would be a great guy, but he may be a bit too raw. I see him averaging around 10-15mpg his rookie year while showing a ton of potential like Rudy Gobert currently is.


Who would you pick?
Depends where weʻd pick, Iʻd probably leave it up to the dart board at 1, at 2 I would probably take Russell, at 3 whoever was left between Russell and Towns.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
If we do hit the jackpot what would be best for us? Elite stretch 4 in Towns? Next Harden/Westbrook in Russle/Mudiay?

From what Iʻve seen of Okafor, I donʻt think he would fit with Boogie well. Though I havent seen that much, only youtube stuff.
I'm old fashioned so if there's a big man prospect, I generally rate him higher than the rest. In this case, that means picking Towns (who I think will eventually explode in the NBA) over Russell or Emmanuel, even though I think both guys are potential all-stars in the league. That all said, I think it would be hard to go wrong with any of them.
 
I'm old fashioned so if there's a big man prospect, I generally rate him higher than the rest. In this case, that means picking Towns (who I think will eventually explode in the NBA) over Russell or Emmanuel, even though I think both guys are potential all-stars in the league. That all said, I think it would be hard to go wrong with any of them.
True, I just see us needing an All star level guard to complete our team (big 3ʻs do work).

From what Iʻve seen from Towns, I keep seeing flashes of AD in him. If only he had Steins tenacious D.

Send it, Nik and Darren to Washington for John Wall. ^^
 

kingsboi

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I've watched a number of Maryland games this year and in all of them I've come away impressed with Dez Wells. I'm curious as to what his draft stock is? does he have a spot in the pros? He all ready has a NBA body and is a good athlete to boot, I don't see how he couldn't contribute.
 
I don't get a good vibe about Towns. His production doesn't match his hype and if he can't put up numbers in a competition-less SEC, he won't in the NBA. And I don't like Mudiay, either. Perimeter players who can't shoot are always hopelessly limited, and p-u, is that jumper of his broken. The only guys I've really fallen in love with as prospects are Okafor and Russell. And with Okafor playing a nearly identical style to that of DeMarcus, Russel seems to be the guy, as he brings elite potential in the three areas the Kings really lack-outside shooting, creativity off the bounce and playmaking. Given the top selection, I'd pick him without hesitation.
 

Tetsujin

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I don't get a good vibe about Towns. His production doesn't match his hype and if he can't put up numbers in a competition-less SEC, he won't in the NBA. And I don't like Mudiay, either. Perimeter players who can't shoot are always hopelessly limited, and p-u, is that jumper of his broken. The only guys I've really fallen in love with as prospects are Okafor and Russell. And with Okafor playing a nearly identical style to that of DeMarcus, Russel seems to be the guy, as he brings elite potential in the three areas the Kings really lack-outside shooting, creativity off the bounce and playmaking. Given the top selection, I'd pick him without hesitation.
To be fair to Towns, no one in the Kentucky system this year is "producing to match his hype" because that team is so stacked that, even sharing the ball to an optimum degree, every single player on the roster is "underproducing". I mean, WCS's defensive numbers have fallen and yet everyone is saying that his defense has improved this season.

Towns is only playing twenty minutes a game. By comparison, Anthony Davis played 32 minutes a game, Julius Randle played 30.8 minutes a game, Nerlens Noel played 31.9 minutes a game. Now, Boogie only played 23.5 minutes per game (and put up better numbers -aside from blocks- than almost anybody else but thats besides the point) but he was also on a stacked team that featured John Wall and Eric Bledsoe and two other big men that would go on to be drafted. Towns is also in a similar situation, with WCS being another lottery pick, Devin Booker looking like another lottery pick, the Harrison Twins likely to be drafted, and Trey Lyles, Marcus Lee, and Dakari Johnson as other potential draft picks in the frontcourt alone.

So while you can say that he hasn't been putting up WOW numbers, it comes with a bit of an asterisk.
 

bajaden

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I don't get a good vibe about Towns. His production doesn't match his hype and if he can't put up numbers in a competition-less SEC, he won't in the NBA. And I don't like Mudiay, either. Perimeter players who can't shoot are always hopelessly limited, and p-u, is that jumper of his broken. The only guys I've really fallen in love with as prospects are Okafor and Russell. And with Okafor playing a nearly identical style to that of DeMarcus, Russel seems to be the guy, as he brings elite potential in the three areas the Kings really lack-outside shooting, creativity off the bounce and playmaking. Given the top selection, I'd pick him without hesitation.
Try watching him play instead of just reading the post game stats. If I have the first pick in the draft, I'm taking Towns over any of them. I love Okafor, but he a straight up post player, and we already have one of those. Now if you doubt Boogie is going to stick around, then go ahead and take Okafor. Towns lacks a little polish, but he's a two way player. He can play in the post, and he can step out and hit the 15 to 18 foot jumper. He can put it on the floor as well. Right now, he's the number one rated defensive player in all of college. PERIOD! Offensively his number don't look as good as some others because number one, he's only playing 20 to 22 minutes a game. Number two, he's on a team that's loaded with offensive talent which also shares the ball. So he doesn't get to take as many shots as a player like Okafor, who is the number one option on Duke. But he shoots just under 55% from the floor. He has few holes in his game. He's a very good athlete, and he plays hard.

I love DeAngelo Russell, and if we had a burning need at the PG position, I'd have him on equal footing with Towns, but we have a greater need for player to play along side of Cousins at the PF position. Plus, as has been stated, the old rule is, if you have to choose between a good big man and a good little man, you always, always, always take the big man, as long as they have equal ability in your eyes.
 
I've watched a number of Maryland games this year and in all of them I've come away impressed with Dez Wells. I'm curious as to what his draft stock is? does he have a spot in the pros? He all ready has a NBA body and is a good athlete to boot, I don't see how he couldn't contribute.
He has good potential, but he will have to rebuild his offensive game: average passer, good spot shooter, good finisher around the rim, but he will have to cut his limited and ineffective dribble game, which is a big part of his offense in college. Will he do that at the next level - that's a difference between a late first-rounder and undrafted guy.
 
Try watching him play instead of just reading the post game stats. If I have the first pick in the draft, I'm taking Towns over any of them. I love Okafor, but he a straight up post player, and we already have one of those. Now if you doubt Boogie is going to stick around, then go ahead and take Okafor. Towns lacks a little polish, but he's a two way player. He can play in the post, and he can step out and hit the 15 to 18 foot jumper. He can put it on the floor as well. Right now, he's the number one rated defensive player in all of college. PERIOD! Offensively his number don't look as good as some others because number one, he's only playing 20 to 22 minutes a game. Number two, he's on a team that's loaded with offensive talent which also shares the ball. So he doesn't get to take as many shots as a player like Okafor, who is the number one option on Duke. But he shoots just under 55% from the floor. He has few holes in his game. He's a very good athlete, and he plays hard.

I love DeAngelo Russell, and if we had a burning need at the PG position, I'd have him on equal footing with Towns, but we have a greater need for player to play along side of Cousins at the PF position. Plus, as has been stated, the old rule is, if you have to choose between a good big man and a good little man, you always, always, always take the big man, as long as they have equal ability in your eyes.
Anthony Davis played on a team with 6 other NBA players. That didn't stop him. He earned his minutes, he took more shots, he forced Cal's hand. If Towns were truly a #1 talent, he'd be getting his regardless of the Kentucky system. And yet, he hasn't had a single dominating performance at all. His career high in points is 19. His offensive game just isn't there. He's a good defender, but he strikes me as more of a good role player in the NBA than a franchise cornerstone. And if I have the top pick in the draft, I am NOT looking for a roleplayer.
 

Tetsujin

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Anthony Davis played on a team with 6 other NBA players. That didn't stop him. He earned his minutes, he took more shots, he forced Cal's hand. If Towns were truly a #1 talent, he'd be getting his regardless of the Kentucky system. And yet, he hasn't had a single dominating performance at all. His career high in points is 19. His offensive game just isn't there. He's a good defender, but he strikes me as more of a good role player in the NBA than a franchise cornerstone. And if I have the top pick in the draft, I am NOT looking for a roleplayer.
That team had no other big men worth mentioning aside from Terrence Jones, who was the only other guy (excluding token bench warmer guys) who was taller than 6'8". This year's team has FIVE big men on the roster (six if you count the injured Poythress as a small four) who will probably wind up in the NBA one way or another in Towns, WCS, Johnson, Lyles, and Lee. That's even more than Boogie's year which yielded three (though Demarcus and Patterson are the only ones who actually have made it.

Towns hasn't really had a dominating performance because his team simply hasn't really needed it. They're so freaking good that they're normally a safe distance in front of their opponent within a few minutes of tip-off. Plus, Calipari is really sticking to his "platoon" promise and pretty much limiting all of his players to less than 25 minutes a game.
 
That team had no other big men worth mentioning aside from Terrence Jones, who was the only other guy (excluding token bench warmer guys) who was taller than 6'8". This year's team has FIVE big men on the roster (six if you count the injured Poythress as a small four) who will probably wind up in the NBA one way or another in Towns, WCS, Johnson, Lyles, and Lee. That's even more than Boogie's year which yielded three (though Demarcus and Patterson are the only ones who actually have made it.

Towns hasn't really had a dominating performance because his team simply hasn't really needed it. They're so freaking good that they're normally a safe distance in front of their opponent within a few minutes of tip-off. Plus, Calipari is really sticking to his "platoon" promise and pretty much limiting all of his players to less than 25 minutes a game.
Even if your points are correct (I'm not saying they aren't) I still don't think Towns has the skillset to be a dominant NBA player. His post game is super raw, his lower body strength needs a lot of work, he has extremely poor short-range quickness, and he gets a lot of "bully buckets" against the smaller bigs of the SEC that he simply will not get playing against 7 footers every night in the NBA. I see his ceiling as maybe a less athletic Serge Ibaka.
 

bajaden

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Anthony Davis played on a team with 6 other NBA players. That didn't stop him. He earned his minutes, he took more shots, he forced Cal's hand. If Towns were truly a #1 talent, he'd be getting his regardless of the Kentucky system. And yet, he hasn't had a single dominating performance at all. His career high in points is 19. His offensive game just isn't there. He's a good defender, but he strikes me as more of a good role player in the NBA than a franchise cornerstone. And if I have the top pick in the draft, I am NOT looking for a roleplayer.
With all due respect, what your saying is so ridiculous and laughable, its not worth my time to even respond, and so I won't. You have no idea what your talking about, and I'm being kind in saying that.
 

bajaden

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That team had no other big men worth mentioning aside from Terrence Jones, who was the only other guy (excluding token bench warmer guys) who was taller than 6'8". This year's team has FIVE big men on the roster (six if you count the injured Poythress as a small four) who will probably wind up in the NBA one way or another in Towns, WCS, Johnson, Lyles, and Lee. That's even more than Boogie's year which yielded three (though Demarcus and Patterson are the only ones who actually have made it.

Towns hasn't really had a dominating performance because his team simply hasn't really needed it. They're so freaking good that they're normally a safe distance in front of their opponent within a few minutes of tip-off. Plus, Calipari is really sticking to his "platoon" promise and pretty much limiting all of his players to less than 25 minutes a game.
He has no idea what he's talking about, and his statements are so ridiculous that their almost trollish. Anyone that knows Calapari, knows he rules with an iron fist and whatever a player does on the floor, he's doing exactly what Calapari wants. And if he doesn't, he'll be riding the bench. To believe what he's saying, is to say that every scout in the NBA is dead wrong. I've watched Kentucky play 19 times now this year and I think I have a decent idea of what Towns, Stein, the Harrisons, Booker, Johnson, Lee, and Lyles are capable of. It's not an exact science and there are no guarantee's, but there are some players that your more sure of than others, and Towns is one of those. I would bet my life on him being somewhere between a very good player to a great player. He has all the tools, and the work ethic. It's not often that you find a big man with so few holes in his game. I now have him ranked ahead of Okafor as my personal choice.

I wonder how many times he's actually watched Towns play, like the game where he scored 12 quick points in the first half along with 6 boards, and then didn't hardly play the rest of the game because Kentucky had such a big lead, and Calapari wanted to get some extra work for his second unit. That's happened on more than one occasion. Here are some examples. Against Tennessee, Kentucky jumped out to a huge lead and Towns only played 16 minutes. All he did was play defense and rebound. He took one shot and made it and was fouled. He only ended up with 3 pt's in the game, but that was because he sat on the bench for most of the game. He wasn't needed. Against South Carolina he only scored 9 pts. He only played 17 minutes and took 3 shots, making all three along with being fouled. Once again Kentucky jumped out to a huge lead, and he wasn't needed. Against Alabama he scored 12 points in 15 minutes, all in the first half along with 5 rebounds. He hardly played in the second half because he wasn't needed. John Calapari doesn't give a tinkers damm about one or two of his players putting up big numbers. He cares about a national championship. If he doesn't need his best players on the floor, he's not going to play them. Why risk injury if its not necessary?

While I'm at it, another thing he said was that the SEC was a weak conference, which tells me once again, he has no idea what he's talking about. The SEC has a couple of teams that are usually at the top of the rankings which are down this year. Missouri and Florida spring to mind. But the SEC has two teams in the top 25 in Kentucky and Arkansas, and a couple of others that are just outside the top 25 in Texas A&M, and Ole Miss, both of whom are 19 and 8 on the year. Personally I'd have LSU in there with a record of 20 and 8. It may not be quite as competitive as the ACC, but it's not far behind, and certainly better than the PAC 12 overall. I expect that the SEC will get at least five berths in the tournament. What you have to look at is how young is the team, and how are they playing down the stretch. last year Kentucky had a very young team made up mostly of freshmen and that team struggled at the beginning of the year, and throughout the season from time to time, but at the end of the year they started t0 put it all together, and nearly won the whole damm thing. At the end of the day, talent usually wins out, but not always.

While I'm yapping here, someone mentioned Dez Wells of Maryland, a player that never saw a shot he didn't like. Hey, I like Wells, but the player that's been the most impressive to me is the freshman Melo Trimble. Keep your eye on this kid, he's going to be a good one. He loves having the ball in crunch time and usually gets the job done. He has a few holes in his game, but he's been very impressive.
 

kingsboi

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Melo Trimble is underrated...he is very composed for a rookie and I like his jumpshot, he has good form. I question his ability to create though but that's another story, he is only a freshman so I guess I'm nitpicking.
 

bajaden

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Melo Trimble is underrated...he is very composed for a rookie and I like his jumpshot, he has good form. I question his ability to create though but that's another story, he is only a freshman so I guess I'm nitpicking.
No, your not nitpicking. At the moment I'd say he's yet to establish himself as a true PG. I think he has the tools to be one. He's great at getting into the paint and creating for himself, and on occasion others. But until he does more of the latter he's going to look like a combo guard. Hopefully he stays in school and learns his craft. He's an athletic kid who has the talent to play in the NBA, but he's no DeAngelo Russell who is also a freshman.
 

Tetsujin

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Even if your points are correct (I'm not saying they aren't) I still don't think Towns has the skillset to be a dominant NBA player. His post game is super raw, his lower body strength needs a lot of work, he has extremely poor short-range quickness, and he gets a lot of "bully buckets" against the smaller bigs of the SEC that he simply will not get playing against 7 footers every night in the NBA. I see his ceiling as maybe a less athletic Serge Ibaka.
And you completely lost me here.

While his post game isn't as developed as Boogie's was at the same age (although, I'd say aside from Julius Randle most of Calipari's bigs since Demarcus haven't really been known as post studs), he's also playing in a system that isn't always the most conducive to displaying big man post skills and he hasn't been nearly as useless in the post as you claim he's been. He's displayed the makings of a fine spin move (there was one play midway through the Feb. 15th LSU game where he gets position deep in the heart of a zone and spins through the middle of a double team for the hoop that was Demarcus-esque) and good footwork in a crowd (in the same game, he pulls down an offensive rebound maneuvers through four Tigers for the hoop). Is his spin move as good as Demarcus's? No. But Boogie probably has the best spin the NBA's seen in at least 20 years. I should also note that Towns has developed a pretty good hook for his age (Something Demarcus has yet to have done himself).

While you probably can't say that Towns is an "explosive" athlete a la Dwight Howard or Anthony Davis, he's deceptively athletic and is fluid when it matters (a 36" max vertical from a 6'11" 250 pounder is nothing to sneeze at). He may not be a quick-twitch athlete but he more than makes up for it with his 7'3.5" wingspan (Anthony Davis by comparison was measured at 7'5.5" wingspan and Demarcus Cousins at 7'5.75" which probably just serves to highlight how freakishly long both guys are more than anything else) and instinctual feel for the game (just as how Boogie is able to naturally feel out plays on the court and get places without ever really "hurrying"). I feel like at times he doesn't get low enough in his defensive stance which definitely does hurt his lateral quickness when out of the paint but that's something that can be fixed with a little work.

Sure Town gets "bully buckets" but EVERY SINGLE BIG MAN in the NCAA gets those buckets at times so I'm really not sure what your point is with that. Plus NCAA defensive concepts are such that these bigs face a much more crowded interior than they will in the NBA.

Really don't know where the Ibaka comparison comes from, seeing as how Towns is at least an inch taller and thirty pounds heavier than he is. Plus Towns has displayed more natural paint instincts in his single season at Kentucky than Ibaka has displayed his entire NBA career. Really the only legitimate parallel between the two men is that they both are good at blocking shots.
 
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He has no idea what he's talking about, and his statements are so ridiculous that their almost trollish. Anyone that knows Calapari, knows he rules with an iron fist and whatever a player does on the floor, he's doing exactly what Calapari wants. And if he doesn't, he'll be riding the bench. To believe what he's saying, is to say that every scout in the NBA is dead wrong. I've watched Kentucky play 19 times now this year and I think I have a decent idea of what Towns, Stein, the Harrisons, Booker, Johnson, Lee, and Lyles are capable of. It's not an exact science and there are no guarantee's, but there are some players that your more sure of than others, and Towns is one of those. I would bet my life on him being somewhere between a very good player to a great player. He has all the tools, and the work ethic. It's not often that you find a big man with so few holes in his game. I now have him ranked ahead of Okafor as my personal choice.

I wonder how many times he's actually watched Towns play, like the game where he scored 12 quick points in the first half along with 6 boards, and then didn't hardly play the rest of the game because Kentucky had such a big lead, and Calapari wanted to get some extra work for his second unit. That's happened on more than one occasion. Here are some examples. Against Tennessee, Kentucky jumped out to a huge lead and Towns only played 16 minutes. All he did was play defense and rebound. He took one shot and made it and was fouled. He only ended up with 3 pt's in the game, but that was because he sat on the bench for most of the game. He wasn't needed. Against South Carolina he only scored 9 pts. He only played 17 minutes and took 3 shots, making all three along with being fouled. Once again Kentucky jumped out to a huge lead, and he wasn't needed. Against Alabama he scored 12 points in 15 minutes, all in the first half along with 5 rebounds. He hardly played in the second half because he wasn't needed. John Calapari doesn't give a tinkers damm about one or two of his players putting up big numbers. He cares about a national championship. If he doesn't need his best players on the floor, he's not going to play them. Why risk injury if its not necessary?

While I'm at it, another thing he said was that the SEC was a weak conference, which tells me once again, he has no idea what he's talking about. The SEC has a couple of teams that are usually at the top of the rankings which are down this year. Missouri and Florida spring to mind. But the SEC has two teams in the top 25 in Kentucky and Arkansas, and a couple of others that are just outside the top 25 in Texas A&M, and Ole Miss, both of whom are 19 and 8 on the year. Personally I'd have LSU in there with a record of 20 and 8. It may not be quite as competitive as the ACC, but it's not far behind, and certainly better than the PAC 12 overall. I expect that the SEC will get at least five berths in the tournament. What you have to look at is how young is the team, and how are they playing down the stretch. last year Kentucky had a very young team made up mostly of freshmen and that team struggled at the beginning of the year, and throughout the season from time to time, but at the end of the year they started t0 put it all together, and nearly won the whole damm thing. At the end of the day, talent usually wins out, but not always.
Okay, okay.

I assure you that I'm not trolling. You've put together a huge argument, and there's things to like about Towns, but I remain wholly unimpressed and if the Kings were *miraculously* able to win the top pick, it just feels to me like a waste to draft him.
 

bajaden

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Okay, okay.

I assure you that I'm not trolling. You've put together a huge argument, and there's things to like about Towns, but I remain wholly unimpressed and if the Kings were *miraculously* able to win the top pick, it just feels to me like a waste to draft him.
OK, I'll leave it at this. If were lucky enough to draft him, which I doubt, You'll end up being pleasantly surprised. He's one of the few bigs in the draft that can play at a high level on both ends of the floor. Not saying he's perfect, but I'am saying that the Calapari system tends to hide some of the talent a player has. For instance, when Cousins was there, I doubt anyone knew he had a good jumpshot because Calapari wouldn't let him get out of the post. No one knew he could put the ball on the floor like he can, because his butt would have been on the bench if he tried to bring the ball up like he does on the Kings from time to time. You said that Town's has a very raw post game. I don't know if I would use the word raw, because he definitely has some tools there. He's very good with a hook over his left shoulder. He's not bad over his right shoulder, but it still needs work. He has a few nice drop steps that he uses, but they could be expanded on. He has a good baseline spin move that's very effective. He also has a couple of flip shots that he'll throw up from time to time.

So does his post game need work? Yeah, sure it does. Especially when compared to good NBA post players. But Cousins post game still needs work too. Towns is night and day ahead of where Vonleh was last year. The only reason I would take him over Okafor is fit. Towns has range on his jumpshot all the way out to the three point line, where Okafor has no game away from the basket at all. But Okafor is really good at what he does. It's just that we already have someone that does what he does. When you add in that Okafor is a terrible free throw shooter, it doesn't bode well for him becoming a good jumpshooter down the road. Towns on the other hand shoots just under 80% from the freethrow line. Towns is a better ballhandler than Okafor. Of course both could be busts. Not likely and I wouldn't bet on it, but stranger things have happened.