JT wants to get traded (and other trade discussion)
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I already proposed this exact trade weeks ago. It's pretty obvious why. Philly wants to play Embiid at C next year and Nerlens Noel doesn't look like an ideal pairing in the starting lineup. They like Karl Towns more in that role and they should be in good position to get him. They also have young talent at every position except SG (PG=MCW, SF=Dario Saric, PF=Towns presumably, C=Embiid) and might be willing to move Noel to get a young shooter (which they desperately need if they keep MCW at PG) and depth at another position to replace Noel.
This all falls apart for us though if Philly's pick is outside the top 4 and they can't get Karl Towns or we lose our pick to Chicago. Hence why I've been so adamant about keeping the pick. Aside from the possibility of scooping up an ideal 3rd guard in Mudiay or Russell, there's a chance we can fill our PF spot with this kind of trade if we're willing to throw in Stauskas to make it happen.
And the ideal scenario... if we do win a top 3 pick, we could potentially lure Philly with a "trade-up" deal whereby we get their #4 or #5 pick and Noel and they get our top 3 pick and Stauskas. That gets us a PG (Mudiay/Russell) and Nerlens Noel. Hello playoffs!
This all falls apart for us though if Philly's pick is outside the top 4 and they can't get Karl Towns or we lose our pick to Chicago. Hence why I've been so adamant about keeping the pick. Aside from the possibility of scooping up an ideal 3rd guard in Mudiay or Russell, there's a chance we can fill our PF spot with this kind of trade if we're willing to throw in Stauskas to make it happen.
And the ideal scenario... if we do win a top 3 pick, we could potentially lure Philly with a "trade-up" deal whereby we get their #4 or #5 pick and Noel and they get our top 3 pick and Stauskas. That gets us a PG (Mudiay/Russell) and Nerlens Noel. Hello playoffs!
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I'm not seeing why, really. Afflalo is a fine player but he's not signing a deal with us to back up Ben McLemore when he could get a starting gig somewhere else. And it would be stupid for us to burn yet more resources to block McLemore, who has eerily similar numbers to Afflalo over the last 10 games, is 7 years younger, and is already under team control. Afflalo has a player option for next season so he could walk at the end of this season if he wants to.
So that Dragic meeting happened and apparently he told Pho he will not re-sign this summer. Good choice in signing IT, Pho.
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine ·
Sources confirm report from USA Today's @sam_amick that reps for Goran Dragic have told Suns that Dragic doesn't plan to re-sign this summer
Do we have a good chance of trading for him? No, but they've got until 3pm on Thur, not a whole lot of time to work with. I'd say that increases the chances a team like is can sneak in there if we're inclined to take on the risk.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2015/02/17/goran-dragic-suns/23591221/
If he wants a system similar to what Steph operates in and as the main ballhandler, as well as a team who'll be in the playoffs going forward, being here under Karl and with Cuz/Rudy really is a better situation than he'll find in most markets.
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine ·
Sources confirm report from USA Today's @sam_amick that reps for Goran Dragic have told Suns that Dragic doesn't plan to re-sign this summer
Do we have a good chance of trading for him? No, but they've got until 3pm on Thur, not a whole lot of time to work with. I'd say that increases the chances a team like is can sneak in there if we're inclined to take on the risk.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2015/02/17/goran-dragic-suns/23591221/
If he wants a system similar to what Steph operates in and as the main ballhandler, as well as a team who'll be in the playoffs going forward, being here under Karl and with Cuz/Rudy really is a better situation than he'll find in most markets.
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Ben's highly erratic and took the month of January off. having a solid vet paired with him would be ideal. Having that solid vet know Karl's system and be capable of swinging up to back up Rudy as well is even better. With one steadying move you can patch up all kinds of holes and really solidify a rotation. No more Nik. No more DWill. Ben having one of those 2-9 shooting days? Plug in the steady vet. Its not flashy, but as long as Afflalo is healthy its a very steady team building play. Its like what Memphis did with Courtney Lee. No world beater, but all of a sudden weak minutes you normally lose every night are patched and your lineup solidified.
Affalo will likely walk.
He turns 30 this year, and all ready appears to be on a decline.
So let's say we traded for him, then he signs a 3 year deal.
We would probably get one decent season from him next year....
Then I'm thinking Landry contract 2.0....over paid guy on the decline, because it will take a premium to keep him in Sacramento.
Stay away.
He turns 30 this year, and all ready appears to be on a decline.
So let's say we traded for him, then he signs a 3 year deal.
We would probably get one decent season from him next year....
Then I'm thinking Landry contract 2.0....over paid guy on the decline, because it will take a premium to keep him in Sacramento.
Stay away.
Afflalo is a Karl guy. There's a healthy chance he stays for that reason alone. Drafted and developed under Karl for 5 years.
There is a knee issue that somebody in our front office has to be taking a look at, but otherwise hsi rise last year, fall this year, etc., its all just variance. Fact is that if the knee is all right we KNOW he can be a productive player in Karl's system. Well... I should say what I'm hoping is Karl's old system.
In any case, we don't need to score a star there. A 10-12ppg vet who returns to his normal 40% 3pt shooting ways would be more than enough. Steady. You give me 20min of steady Afflalo per game in place of 20min of Nik and DWill, I would absolutely guarantee you we are several points better at least. We need more quality vet guys to give us those steady minutes. Cousins will win games. We just need to stack up a bunch of guys who won't lose them right back.
Per CBS:
The Kings are deeply committed to making a roster upgrade at the deadline, in their incessant quest to placate DeMarcus Cousins, league sources say. Chief among their targets is Denver's Arron Afflalo, whose services would require the surrendering of a significant asset. Though it puzzles some rival execs why the Kings would trade the eighth pick in the 2014 draft for a veteran with a player option, Nik Stauskas is the carrot the Kings are dangling in deals they're seeking to upgrade the roster for new coach George Karl.
The Kings are deeply committed to making a roster upgrade at the deadline, in their incessant quest to placate DeMarcus Cousins, league sources say. Chief among their targets is Denver's Arron Afflalo, whose services would require the surrendering of a significant asset. Though it puzzles some rival execs why the Kings would trade the eighth pick in the 2014 draft for a veteran with a player option, Nik Stauskas is the carrot the Kings are dangling in deals they're seeking to upgrade the roster for new coach George Karl.
There must be a name for this fallacy. If not, I think it should be called the Thomas Robinson fallacy. This is where a guy's value is sort of this nebulous intangible factor of his draft selection order - and disregards the current scouting report and accomplishments in the league.
Whether Nik was drafted first, or twenty-first, what the heck difference does it make. Nik is Nik, and Afflalo is Afflalo.
But if PDA can spend his assets - including Nik - getting Noel or Dragic instead I'd prefer it.
Whether Nik was drafted first, or twenty-first, what the heck difference does it make. Nik is Nik, and Afflalo is Afflalo.
But if PDA can spend his assets - including Nik - getting Noel or Dragic instead I'd prefer it.
Its the way all teams do it when they are moving into winning mode. The only thing adding confusion is that we have not, in fact, been winning. But man, we should have been. We are literally YEARS behind schedule already. So you make moves based on the age and readiness of your star. Throw in a 60-something mega coach with a history of health issues and a 28yr old #2 weapon...we are absolutely a win now team that just hasn't been winning now.
Undervaluing prospects and overvaluing veterans has become something of a cottage industry around here, so I can't say I'm surprised. But just for craps and giggles, maybe take a look at the first 4 years of Afflalo's NBA career and compare them to Ben's. You might also want to note that Afflalo played 3 years in college and entered the NBA at age 22 while McLemore played 1 year in college and entered the NBA at age 20. McLemore is probably the better player before his rookie contract is up, but that doesn't matter right? It's all about these next 8 weeks where we need to make a concerted push to throw away every long-term asset we have. Oh yeah and let's blame that decision on "keeping Cousins happy" too while we're at it. Seems to be going well so far.
Assuming you don't go crazy and stack up 35yr olds to do it, becoming a winning team again with whatever roster you create is by far the greatest long term asset you could have. Handy when talking to guys about extensions and in the free agent market too. You might even get treated like an adult franchise again.
If we were somehow going to "fake it", then that would be one thing. But George Karl and DeMarcus Cousins, with help from Rudy Gay and some quality vets SHOULD be able to win games. Should be a good team.
If we were somehow going to "fake it", then that would be one thing. But George Karl and DeMarcus Cousins, with help from Rudy Gay and some quality vets SHOULD be able to win games. Should be a good team.
No amount of winning justifies throwing away assets at pennies on the dollar. Perhaps if you guarantee me a championship next season I would consider giving up on Ben, Nik, and this year's pick for a veteran with 2 guaranteed months left on his contract. But ultimately it would still be a bad move. Because you're putting yourself in a position where the only way to improve your team is to dip into a rapidly dwindling store of cap space. Not even Miami could sustain that model for more than 4 years after signing 2 of the best 5 players in the league in the same off-season and a 3rd who was top 20. The fervor to win now has truly reached ridiculous levels of hyperbole when the trio of DeMarcus Cousins, Rudy Gay, and George Karl is your justification to burn every asset we have in a 2 month period to build chemistry for next year. I'm not even sure a full season of those three guarantees the 8th seed in the Western Conference next season without some serious help.
Any of you guys not wanting to attempt to develop youth, or someone worried about being spendthrift.
Well we did not sign Landry or JT, but those two absorb quite a significant amount of loot, which could be spent on fine tuning the roster elsewhere. While at the same time having nothing special at the 4.
Well we did not sign Landry or JT, but those two absorb quite a significant amount of loot, which could be spent on fine tuning the roster elsewhere. While at the same time having nothing special at the 4.
Nik is worth more than 2 months of Afflalo. Even after his rookie season. DWill is a guy you trade for a player who has a player option next season. If he wants to play for George Karl so bad, just ask him to opt out (which he's most likely going to do anyway) and just sign him as a free agent. No assets wasted. Even if we do trade Stauskas for him he's probably going to opt out so he can sign a longer deal. There's no reason to spend anything at all on acquiring him right now. None.