Larry Sanders?

Tetsujin

Tetsujin

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As a defensive talent, I absolutely love Larry Sanders as a PF next to Boogie.

As a person, I wouldn't touch Larry Sanders with a ten foot pole, a full hazmat suit, and the chance to win a billion dollars.
 
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KingsCitizen

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If you look at some Bucks fan reaction to this the writer (Woelfel) seems to have a series of personal attacks on Sanders with mostly unreliable sources.
Same thing can be said with Rudy or maybe even the Maloof era Cousins. Some media folk like to ride the impression based news instead of real facts just to get attention.

This guy don't have career ending injury. Trade JT for him and roll you're dice PDA coz your not an idiot.
 
Tetsujin

Tetsujin

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KingsCitizen said:
If you look at some Bucks fan reaction to this the writer (Woelfel) seems to have a series of personal attacks on Sanders with mostly unreliable sources.
Same thing can be said with Rudy or maybe even the Maloof era Cousins. Some media folk like to ride the impression based news instead of real facts just to get attention.

This guy don't have career ending injury. Trade JT for him and roll you're dice PDA coz your not an idiot.
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We have to stop comparing literally every player who's getting run out of their respective towns to Rudy Gay.

Sometimes- nay, most times- (as with Josh Smith), a spade is simply a spade.
 
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Prog

Bench
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Reminder abut his two highlights from last year:

1. Injuring his hand in a bar fight while throwing bottles into a crowd. This btw is how he preferred to spend his time a day before his pregnant wife gave birth to a baby girl.
2. Leaving his German shepherd puppies outside in the snow for hours without shelter, food and water.

I wouldn't take him for free.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus

Mr. S£im Citrus

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KingsCitizen said:
If you look at some Bucks fan reaction to this the writer (Woelfel) seems to have a series of personal attacks on Sanders with mostly unreliable sources.
Same thing can be said with Rudy or maybe even the Maloof era Cousins. Some media folk like to ride the impression based news instead of real facts just to get attention.

This guy don't have career ending injury. Trade JT for him and roll you're dice PDA coz your not an idiot.
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There's a non-zero chance that this guy doesn't even want to play basketball, and you want to throw assets at him?
 
Dime Dropper

Dime Dropper

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Isn't it confirmed that it's BS that he doesn't want to play? It's for personal reasons, he has denied that rumour as has the coach and multiple other sources.

That said, he's obviously a questionable character. At this point I'd still take the risk if the price was right, but I doubt PDA wants him as he plays defense and doesn't shoot a lot of 3s.
 
hrdboild

hrdboild

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Nobody outside the team and probably his immediate family knows what's really going on with Sanders right now. As a player he would obviously help us, but he's a questionable locker-room add in any situation and as it currently stands I would need to know more about his present situation before I tried to acquire him. He hasn't played a lot of minutes this season and he's the highest paid player on the team. He should be a cornerstone for them and he was a marginal contributor even when he was on the court. There's a lot of questions to be asked about why he's not fitting in and whether a change of scenery would make any difference.

He's still an impact player on defense when he's healthy and motivated, though we're a couple years removed now from him being truly elite in any category. I would at least be exploring the possibility, though there are other options out there now which may be a better balance of risk and reward. I wonder how committed Philadelphia is to Nerlens Noel for instance. They have Embiid coming back next season and they quite likely will be in position to draft Jalil Okafor, Karl Towns, or Myles Turner at the end of this season. Noel is a small step down from Sanders right now on defense, but he's younger and could surpass him as he matures.
 
Dime Dropper

Dime Dropper

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If Philly are sane they will keep Noel and pair him with Embiid. That is potentially the best frontcourt in the NBA for a decade, dominant both offensively and defensively. I would have loved to get Noel in the draft, thankfully he wasn't there as I would have been furious when PDA inevitably passed on him.
 
LPKingsFan

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Dime Dropper said:
but I doubt PDA wants him as he plays defense and doesn't shoot a lot of 3s.
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Haven't the Kings been interested in guys like Plumlee and Mozgov (or was it Koufous)? Hardly fits your sterotype.

There's plenty of legit things to criticize the FO about. Given the emotions running high on this board, leaving the realm of hyperbole into inaccuracy is not helpful IMHO.
 
Dime Dropper

Dime Dropper

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LPKingsFan said:
Haven't the Kings been interested in guys like Plumlee and Mozgov (or was it Koufous)? Hardly fits your sterotype.

There's plenty of legit things to criticize the FO about. Given the emotions running high on this board, leaving the realm of hyperbole into inaccuracy is not helpful IMHO.
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I think it's pretty clear they don't value defense. What, of all the moves they've made, would make you think they value defense even in the slightest?

Besides trading LMAM, drafting two shooters, opting not to keep Lopez/Withey, and firing a coach who had our starting 5 playing good defense, of course.

This FO has no interest in defense despite the lip service, it's not hyperbole in the slightest.

Plumlee would fit right into their run and gun style, though I wouldn't be against him. Just let's not pretend he was being talked about for what he brings defensively.
 
Glenn

Glenn

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What is curious to me and it was proven to be true, that a team without great defensive players can play good if not great defense if their coach is oriented that way. I wasn't concerned in the past that we didn't have defenders because we had Malone and I had my quirky theory that this was enough. (I never mentioned it 'cause I don't like to sound dumb ;) ) Now we have nothing. It has been said over and over that the FO doesn't value defense although frequently giving lip service to the concept.
 
hrdboild

hrdboild

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Glenn said:
What is curious to me and it was proven to be true, that a team without great defensive players can play good if not great defense if their coach is oriented that way. I wasn't concerned in the past that we didn't have defenders because we had Malone and I had my quirky theory that this was enough. (I never mentioned it 'cause I don't like to sound dumb ;) ) Now we have nothing. It has been said over and over that the FO doesn't value defense although frequently giving lip service to the concept.
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Yeah when the conversation is always "oh yes of course defense is important too, but now let's talk about offense for the next 5 minutes" you get the picture of where their priorities are. People who don't care about defense say things like that. People who do care about defense will go into great detail explaining how you make the defense better because the idea of it excites them. The only thing PDA gets excited about, it would seem, is how fast his players are running up and down the court.
 
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206Fan

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Dime Dropper said:
If Philly are sane they will keep Noel and pair him with Embiid. That is potentially the best frontcourt in the NBA for a decade, dominant both offensively and defensively. I would have loved to get Noel in the draft, thankfully he wasn't there as I would have been furious when PDA inevitably passed on him.
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I disagree with you there. There's potential, but not best frontcourt potential. I don't think Philly should draft a PF or C, but they most likely will draft Okafor if he drops to them. I can see them taking a chance on Karls-Town too. If they take a high pick on a big this year, I think they'll make Noel expendable or they'll just move him off the bench. Coaches down in Philly like him better as a C.

I know a lot of folks hate the talk of the draft, but this draft is freaking good just listing our Okafor and Towns. This a terrible year NOT to have a draft pick. I'm not all that opposed to a draft pick this year if it's in the top 8ish. This could be like the GSW year where they intentionally tanked to NOT lose their draft pick and started winning immediately the next season.
 
hrdboild

hrdboild

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206Fan said:
I disagree with you there. There's potential, but not best frontcourt potential. I don't think Philly should draft a PF or C, but they most likely will draft Okafor if he drops to them. I can see them taking a chance on Karls-Town too. If they take a high pick on a big this year, I think they'll make Noel expendable or they'll just move him off the bench. Coaches down in Philly like him better as a C.

I know a lot of folks hate the talk of the draft, but this draft is freaking good just listing our Okafor and Towns. This a terrible year NOT to have a draft pick. I'm not all that opposed to a draft pick this year if it's in the top 8ish. This could be like the GSW year where they intentionally tanked to NOT lose their draft pick and started winning immediately the next season.
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I love the draft, I hate the amount of losing it takes to get a top 5 pick. It's incredibly unfortunate that PDA's antics have (intentionally or not) completely blown any chance of making the playoffs this year. The choice now is whether playing for pride and aiming for 35-40 wins and no draft pick is better than staying the course and backing into the lottery again. There are certainly some really nice pieces there in the top 10. It's time for the cycle of losing to end though.
 
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206Fan

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hrdboild said:
I love the draft, I hate the amount of losing it takes to get a top 5 pick. It's incredibly unfortunate that PDA's antics have (intentionally or not) completely blown any chance of making the playoffs this year. The choice now is whether playing for pride and aiming for 35-40 wins and no draft pick is better than staying the course and backing into the lottery again. There are certainly some really nice pieces there in the top 10. It's time for the cycle of losing to end though.
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Even before the start of the season, I expected our team to win 40+wins. I was perfectly fine with us winning 40+ games and barely missing out on the playoffs, PLUS losing our pick.

You fast forward 20+ games into the season and it looks like we'll be nowhere near 40 wins, and we're nowhere near the playoffs. PLUS we lose our pick.

Right now, everything is in shambles for the franchise. I'd rather us just take 20wins and the draft pick rather than us get 35wins and losing the draft pick.

This season is a lose-lose situation all around.

Like you, I'm tired of the endless losing cycle and gambling on the draft for the last 7-8 years, but it looks like that's where this season is headed after the firing of Malone. Very sad and depression for us, but I feel like this draft pick will make a huge difference next year. WCS, Winslow, Johnson, and Oubre can be game changers to our team next year and actually make us relevant again.

I do believe that the Kings are a few pieces away from legit 8th spot contenders.
 
hrdboild

hrdboild

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206Fan said:
Even before the start of the season, I expected our team to win 40+wins. I was perfectly fine with us winning 40+ games and barely missing out on the playoffs, PLUS losing our pick.

You fast forward 20+ games into the season and it looks like we'll be nowhere near 40 wins, and we're nowhere near the playoffs. PLUS we lose our pick.

Right now, everything is in shambles for the franchise. I'd rather us just take 20wins and the draft pick rather than us get 35wins and losing the draft pick.

This season is a lose-lose situation all around.

Like you, I'm tired of the endless losing cycle and gambling on the draft for the last 7-8 years, but it looks like that's where this season is headed after the firing of Malone. Very sad and depression for us, but I feel like this draft pick will make a huge difference next year. WCS, Winslow, Johnson, and Oubre can be game changers to our team next year and actually make us relevant again.

I do believe that the Kings are a few pieces away from legit 8th spot contenders.
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As much as the losing sucks, especially for the players, there's no real development going on right now with an interim coach. Maybe that's what PDA wants. Keep the pick this year then hire a new coach and try to win next year. I won't root for losses, but the season is over. Does anyone actually trust this front office to make the right pick though if it comes to that? If you're actually throwing away what you built under Malone for one more lottery pick, you damn sure better not screw it up.
 
TheBadGuy

TheBadGuy

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Prog said:
Reminder abut his two highlights from last year:

1. Injuring his hand in a bar fight while throwing bottles into a crowd. This btw is how he preferred to spend his time a day before his pregnant wife gave birth to a baby girl.
2. Leaving his German shepherd puppies outside in the snow for hours without shelter, food and water.

I wouldn't take him for free.
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ugh.. disgrace..
 
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206Fan

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hrdboild said:
As much as the losing sucks, especially for the players, there's no real development going on right now with an interim coach. Maybe that's what PDA wants. Keep the pick this year then hire a new coach and try to win next year. I won't root for losses, but the season is over. Does anyone actually trust this front office to make the right pick though if it comes to that? If you're actually throwing away what you built under Malone for one more lottery pick, you damn sure better not screw it up.
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I agree with you. Our team is a wreck right now and there is little to 0 solutions for this season.
I think they will get a good lottery pick. The kings have to go for BPA and we can't really lose with the talent on the board. I think I trust them with the pick. McLemore is looking like to be a good player after a terrible year, and the verdict is still out on Nik.
 
Chubbs

Chubbs

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"Without these things being corrected, I don't think basketball will be something I can even do," he said then.

He said it was false to speculate he might walk off the court for good.

"But what is true," he said, "is that I'm in the process of working things out now to do as best for my psyche and my physical health going forward. There's a lot of evaluating going on. There's a lot of inside talk just to put myself in the best place for my health right now."
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http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=12180802
 
hrdboild

hrdboild

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He's had problems before that I thought were correctable. Part of that is because he seems like such an intelligent, well-spoken guy off the court and I can't really reconcile that with the reputation he has for misbehaving. It was in that context that I thought it would be a good idea to trade for him. Cousins has a similar reputation with other teams who only see him acting out on the court and don't see the person he is off the court. And if you have a coach who can handle his personality, you're getting a terrific front-court compliment to Cousins out of it. That being said, there are so many red flags around Larry at this point, I've got to withdraw my support until something changes. I think he's a smart guy based on interviews and a hell of a defensive player when he wants to be but he obviously has personal issues which are preventing him from doing his job and a pattern of poor decision-making on top of that. I hope he works it out, but I wouldn't take the risk right now.
 
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