Pistons waive Josh smith

captain bill

captain bill

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rainmaker said:
Well if you were waiting....

Then you should have done better than replying with a strawman argument.
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Straw man? Hyperbole, sure. Not straw man.

Let me break it down:
1- people have irrational hatred for the Vivek administration
2- people criticize Vivek administration for going after Josh Smith, fearing that we will give up too much for a bad contract
3- solid evidence comes out that the Vivek administration was not willing to make the deal that many were afraid would be made
4- somehow, this is taken as more evidence that the administration has an irrational and destructive infatuation with Smith.
 
hrdboild

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Houston's situation is going to be tough to beat. Harden, Ariza, Howard and they don't have a solid PF yet. Josh Smith just fell into their lap. Not sure he's the best fit for them considering how much Harden likes to drive into the paint and having Smith hang around down there bringing an extra defender isn't going to help. But if they want him and are actively campaigning to get him, I don't see why he would pick any other team.
 
ockingsfan

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I'm pretty sure Smith will sign in Houston. He will probably start there at the 4. There is no reason he would chose Kings over a contender, especially if they can offer him the starting spot, like Houston.

Pistons will pay his $14 mil salary, less what his new team pays. So there is really no reason for the new team to pay any more than vet. min.

SVG is an idiot. Kings offered DWill and JTerry, both expiring contracts in the summer and they said no. Now they will eat $45 million because SVG is an idiot.

SVG has really had it in for the Kings ever since he screwed us for the coaching job 5 or 6 years ago.
 
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Merdiesel

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ockingsfan said:
I'm pretty sure Smith will sign in Houston. He will probably start there at the 4. There is no reason he would chose Kings over a contender, especially if they can offer him the starting spot, like Houston.

Pistons will pay his $14 mil salary, less what his new team pays. So there is really no reason for the new team to pay any more than vet. min.

SVG is an idiot. Kings offered DWill and JTerry, both expiring contracts in the summer and they said no. Now they will eat $45 million because SVG is an idiot.

SVG has really had it in for the Kings ever since he screwed us for the coaching job 5 or 6 years ago.
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I remember that. He's a scrub anyways, hes not winning ****.

Not relevant at all but I had no idea he was from around here.
 
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While the Pistons get a credit on what Smith pays under the cap, I'm pretty sure that Smith gets all of his Pistons money plus his new contract so he cares at least a little.

Rockets have their bi-annual exception of 2.1 million and the Kings don't. It's more money, better team, friend Howard, and more minutes / less competition at PF, and going to work for a team that actually has a permanent coach employed. I don't know if he's going to Houston. But I can't see him picking Sacramento over Houston.
 
Chubbs

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Larry David said:
While the Pistons get a credit on what Smith pays under the cap, I'm pretty sure that Smith gets all of his Pistons money plus his new contract so he cares at least a little.

Rockets have their bi-annual exception of 2.1 million and the Kings don't. It's more money, better team, friend Howard, and more minutes / less competition at PF, and going to work for a team that actually has a permanent coach employed. I don't know if he's going to Houston. But I can't see him picking Sacramento over Houston.
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It's going to be very hard to convince anyone to come here while the franchise is in utter chaos.

Opportunity knocks, and this franchise just has no leg to stand on. Not even a coach. So frustrating.
 
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Livinthedream

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captain bill said:
Straw man? Hyperbole, sure. Not straw man.

Let me break it down:
1- people have irrational hatred for the Vivek administration
2- people criticize Vivek administration for going after Josh Smith, fearing that we will give up too much for a bad contract
3- solid evidence comes out that the Vivek administration was not willing to make the deal that many were afraid would be made
4- somehow, this is taken as more evidence that the administration has an irrational and destructive infatuation with Smith.
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I'll say this. I don't like my owners name attached to personnel decisions. It makes me uncomfortable and that has nothing to do with how past transactions have worked out.

As someone pointed out in the past, the commodity that we are dealing with in the NBA is human beings. How our organization is perceived by human beings has an affect on how effective we will be. The lable of "meddling owner" does not help and is now something that has to be overcome. Whether it be with coaching or front office hirings or with free agents.
 
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Larry David

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ockingsfan said:
SVG is an idiot. Kings offered DWill and JTerry, both expiring contracts in the summer and they said no. Now they will eat $45 million because SVG is an idiot.
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Who is the bigger idiot? The guy who tried to rehabilitate Smith and then cut bait on perhaps the NBA's most toxic asset once he realized it was necessary for the team to have any chance of keep Monroe? Or the GM that wanted to trade for 3 years of the most toxic contract in the league?
 
Dime Dropper

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I am not sure I would even want Smith as there's a significant risk attached, but at least now he would come cheap. Of course I think the chances of us getting him are a lot lower than they previously would have been given the FO's actions over the last week. We're not attractive to anyone right now - the FO killed all our momentum and realistically took us out of the playoff race, and now we have a lame-duck coach and a future that promises to be utterly unscuccessful if the FO doesn't have an epiphany regarding their amateur, junk run'n'gun style.
 
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Livinthedream

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Definitely a bad time to have an unstable situation. Being aggressive is good, but a little bit of patience could have put us in a better position to pick up Smith.

Not sure what we could sell Smith on to make him want to sign here.
 
Bricklayer

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Not sure I want him here period.

I hope people realize the implications of this move. Everyone knew he was absolutely insistent on taking shots from teammates, but in order for him to be flat released midseason, that almost surely indicated the cancerous rumors behind the scenes must apply too. If he was coachable, or a good teammate, or just any of those things there would be no point in releasing him, since now you have to pay him anyway for nothing. If waiver was the eventual option, there would have been no point in not just keeping him around off the bench or some such. When you waive a guy like this its an indication you think his mere presence on the roster is toxic. That you can't fix him or get any use out of him.

The thing with us right now is our starting lineup kinda works offensively. Last thing we need is some idiot coming in and taking 12-14 shots worth of low percentage midrange jumpers away from the personnel we already have. We could use a major defender at PF. We could use a great bench presence. But a competitor for Boogie and Rudy's shots? Not so much. Especially if he is incorrigible.
 
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HereWeBoogie

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So if we tried to trade for him, we obviously don't care about his contract, so who's to say these idiots running the show won't put in a waiver claim and beat everyone to Smith? :confused:
 
Iced Espresso

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LPKingsFan said:
According to Woj, our best offer was JT AND Landry. No expirings.
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Was worse than this.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2014/12/22/josh-smith-detroit-pistons/20760861/
The team (5-23) has been actively shopping Smith the last few weeks, but the only interest came from the Sacramento Kings, who were asking for a first-round pick to take Smith. The Pistons countered with the possibility of a protected first-rounder in a few seasons or a second-round pick

Kings wanted a first too.
 
Chubbs

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Iced Espresso said:
Was worse than this.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2014/12/22/josh-smith-detroit-pistons/20760861/
The team (5-23) has been actively shopping Smith the last few weeks, but the only interest came from the Sacramento Kings, who were asking for a first-round pick to take Smith. The Pistons countered with the possibility of a protected first-rounder in a few seasons or a second-round pick

Kings wanted a first too.
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Is it not a bit revealing that we are trying to get a first round pick?
 
rainmaker

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Dime Dropper said:
I am not sure I would even want Smith as there's a significant risk attached, but at least now he would come cheap. Of course I think the chances of us getting him are a lot lower than they previously would have been given the FO's actions over the last week. We're not attractive to anyone right now - the FO killed all our momentum and realistically took us out of the playoff race, and now we have a lame-duck coach and a future that promises to be utterly unscuccessful if the FO doesn't have an epiphany regarding their amateur, junk run'n'gun style.
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To take a chance on Smith, you've got to have a veteran team, a head coach with respect and stability. There's got to be both players and a coach who'll keep the guy in check. We don't have that. Detroit at least had SVG to attempt giving it a go and we saw how that's worked out.

It's a good thing Detroit resisted our offers as I agree, it's less likely he ends up here now.

It is amusing however that despite all the previous talk of culture, Vivek and PDA appear to be more than willing to throw that out the window to chase their up and down fantasy. Style and player name recognition is more important to them than winning, culture and chemistry.
 
Hadlowe

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Bricklayer said:
Not sure I want him here period.

I hope people realize the implications of this move. Everyone knew he was absolutely insistent on taking shots from teammates, but in order for him to be flat released midseason, that almost surely indicated the cancerous rumors behind the scenes must apply too. If he was coachable, or a good teammate, or just any of those things there would be no point in releasing him, since now you have to pay him anyway for nothing. If waiver was the eventual option, there would have been no point in not just keeping him around off the bench or some such. When you waive a guy like this its an indication you think his mere presence on the roster is toxic. That you can't fix him or get any use out of him.

The thing with us right now is our starting lineup kinda works offensively. Last thing we need is some idiot coming in and taking 12-14 shots worth of low percentage midrange jumpers away from the personnel we already have. We could use a major defender at PF. We could use a great bench presence. But a competitor for Boogie and Rudy's shots? Not so much. Especially if he is incorrigible.
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While largely in agreement (locker room risks are not something to take lightly) the major roster hole, backup center, is instanty fixed by starting Smith and bringing JT off the bench as the third big.

But with the organization in disarray and a lame duck head coach, there is no chance of reining in the chucky tendencies. I agree that the chemistry risk is high enough to pass on Smith and hope for s9meone like Plumlee.
 
Bricklayer

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Chubbs said:
Is it not a bit revealing that we are trying to get a first round pick?
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Well at least its a little bit revealing of us having some sanity. Only some though -- we're not a rebuild. Taking on a major player who you don't want just to get a pick could have far worse consequences than the pick could have good ones.
 
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