[Game] Game 17: Sacramento Kings vs. Memphis Grizzlies. 11/30/14, 3 PM PST, 6 PM EST

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#1
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Game 17
Sacramento Kings versus Memphis Grizzlies

By Stephen Tetsu, I must have eaten Thanksgiving Dinner with Boogie



Well, that sucked. Good thing the schedule's lightening up for us n- What's that? We're playing the Memphis Grizzlies today? Well, crap. So much for easy.

The Memphis Grizzlies are currently playing like the best team in the league, a combination of their trademark defensive nastiness and surprisingly efficient offense, bolstered by Courtney Lee, who, when he's not scoring debateable game-winning layups, is providing the Grizzlies with some much needed outside shooting, which is probably necessary when your other starting wing is notoriously awful shotmaker Tony Allen (though the crazy man is quite an adept cutter when Marc Gasol is in the game). Vince Carter and Beno Udrih have provided a real boost to Memphis's previously limp, lifeless bench, even though both dudes have apparently forgotten how to hit an outside shot (noticing a theme yet?)

Really, it's amazing how both teams seem to be increasingly built out of the same mother dough. While the Kings are younger than the Grizzlies (it's hard not to be when Tayshaun Prince and Vince Carter are both playing rotational minutes for the Grizz), they have worked hard to establish a similar hard-nosed, gritty "uglyball" identity built from the inside out with Demarcus and Rudy as the interior behemoths in place of Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph. Despite having once been a competent offensive player, Jason Thompson now surprisingly takes the Tony Allen role of lockdown defender who can't make a basket to save his life. Also both point guards are short fast dudes who play defense and generally know how to get the ball inside, though Conley is the better outside shooter and, as a bonus, BFFs with Greg Oden.

Courtney Lee and Ben McLemore are the main outside threats for their respective starting fives. This season Lee is putting absolutely ridiculous shooting numbers (.556 from the 3-point line!) and fitting into with Dave Joerger's scheme with relative ease. Meanwhile, Ben McLemore started off his NBA career looking like a draft bust (though in fairness, a lot of that may have been Marcus Thornton's crappiness simply infesting the entire Kings SG position for the year) but this year has displayed fantastic defensive potential (if the man got his head completely into it, he could probably be the best SG defender in the league) and an ability to get really hot and hit shots so that those Ray Allen comparisons no longer seem completely insane. In short, Ben McLemore went from failed prospect we'd trade for Bench Player A to "Holy jeez, don't trade this guy unless it's for a star" guy. I'm really not sure why I went off on this long Ben McLemore tangent but I assume it's because I was going through old threads and found a couple of posts decrying the front office for picking Ben rather than Steven Adams, who is panning out to have a solid NBA career but not the future all-star people were making him out to be last season.

On the topic of "world-breaking" big men, while I do think we should see more of Ryan Hollins than we've been getting this season, I'm not sure where all this Ryan Hollins is going to solve our big man problem talk is coming from. There's a reason the dude's been an end of the bencher in almost all of his stops in the NBA and it's not because the coaches were biased against him or whatever. While he scored 15 points against the Spurs, the team's entire defensive effort plummeted as he wasn't even half the defender Boogie is and also completely failed to play the pick-and-roll without somehow leaving a guy completely unguarded. So yes, while Ryan Hollins and Mateen Cleaves sure seem like great dudes, there's a reason they're at the end of the bench waving towels and high-fiving the good players as they come off the court.

Onto the actual world-breakers of the game, Boogie (if he's not sick) faces a tough match-up against Marc Gasol, who has been getting considerable MVP talk because someone apparently deserves credit for Memphis's hot start. The crazy thing is that Demarcus is almost outproducing Gasol in every category but assists (blocks and steals are .1 away from being a draw) while playing less minutes AND having less of a supporting cast (at least in terms of experience). And this is considered Marc's best season. Just more verification that Demarcus is in fact very good at basketball.

Matchups
Demarcus vs. Aunt Karen's Bad Casseroles - I can only assume it was something that Boogie ate that sidelined him against the Spurs and Aunt Karen's Banana Corn Casserole seemed to smell strange. Only putting two and two together.

Kings fans vs. Fire Malone! Threads - Malone has us off to our best start in the better part of a decade. Maybe hold off on those posts about how he sucks until he, I dunno, actually does.

Ben McLemore vs. Being Invisible - It's becoming a theme throughout this young season. Ben is ignored by everyone early in the game, has an incredibly hot stretch and then is promptly forgotten as his teammates go back to doing whatever the hell they were doing earlier in the game.

Final Thoughts and Prediction
This is going to be a tough one. The Grizzlies are probably the best team in the league in the first month of the season but if there ever was a team built to go toe to toe in uglyball, it would be this current iteration of the Sacramento Kings. Between the inability to hit a 3-pointer and propensity for aggressive interior defense, this should be another ugly one. So buckle in, microwave your tenth consecutive turkey meal (I don't miss that part of Thanksgiving all that much), and get ready to see some ugliness.

Grizzlies win 94-89. The Kings hang tough but then Courtney Lee gets an astounding five point play with three seconds left in the game to pull ahead.

Go Kings!

PS Sorry for the short game threads recently. I've been battling a prolonged illness and therefore haven't really been in the condition to write massive marathon threads like I normally do. I'm getting healthier so things should be back to normal soon, I swear.

Besides, no one wants to read about our losses anyways.
 
#2
Hollins should get 5-7 mpg. That I can get behind. Beyond that?

Last time he scored 15 was in 2012. Last season he scored 10 plus precisely once.

And he's not a good defender or rebounder. He is, however, tall, and should somehow see the court late first, early second quarter briefly.

Overall, Hollins is in the league because he is tall. He can do nothing else.
 
#3
On Vince Carter forgetting how to shoot...someone might be forgetting that game in Memphis.
I was one of those vocal pro-Steven Adams posters, and so far this guy is starting for NBA contender at tender age of 21 as sophomore, while learning slowly, how not to foul out in 12 minutes. At the same time I wasn't really anti-Mclemore, who was always a hard-working guy with a chip on his shoulder, so "whatever his ceiling is, he will reach it". Looks like it's happening already. My main point was the fact, that you can get shooters with defense for MLE, and we will see tonight an example of that in Courtney Lee. Big guys like that get $10+ million as RFAs.
As for Ben going through invisible stretches...he needs to get open to hit an open shot, and for that
1)the other team must try to cheat with his defender
2)the other team must try zone defense
3)Kings should run multiple screens to get him open
4)Ben needs lazy or inattentive defender. Seems like the league noticed and 1) doesn't happen anymore, and when it seems to happen, it's actually 4). Kings don't do 3), so 2) or 4) are the only options for him right now. Or he could take the ball and make things happen, but those things would be TOs half the time.
 
#8
We basically have JT to guard their entire front line.

This is going to be really tough. Need a huge game from someone unexpected. I nominate Ben.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#12
A win today would confirm the skill level of this team. Although the team is playing at a very high level, I AM a KingsFan and have had my heart broken too often. Sigh.

As to Moreland, I think this is a good sign not that he will play in games but that he will take part in practices with the good guys. I think it will take several years for any big payoff but the many years are well worth the investment. As my simple brain tells me that the only piece we are missing, some still developing, is the center-rim protector, it would be extraordinary if Pete plugged all the holes in one year.

Lest there be confusion on what I mean, I think the Ben/Nik picks took care of the sg position although it will take a few years for them to get comfortable, I THINK our pgs will be OK, and the longest of long shots is Moreland. I really don't want any wild assed trades any more. We've already done that and came out ahead. Let's not spoil what we have. Yes, I am talking about Josh.

As a guy who just likes basketball, this could be a very good game and playing without Boogie might help develop others.
 

dude12

Hall of Famer
#13
Maybe Hollins will go for 18 and 12 with 3 blocks! ;)
I'd like to see Moreland play...give the kid a 5 minute stint at least so that he can learn against someone other than Cuz in practice.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#17
I hate losing games we can win because of injuries :mad:
Damn Cuz must have a really bad fever to be out for 2 games. Ugh 9-8 :(
Yes, sucks on a number of levels. We've had our momentum knocked right out from under us the way so many teams have, by injuries, or in this case, illness. These were big foundational games too. Big showdown games where you win them, you end up this month 10-7 or 11-6, and you have really made an indelible statement for the whole season. Now we are probably going to fall to 9-8, non Sacto scribes are already penning the lost 7 of their last 11 stories, Boogie loses his shot at Player of the Month, and our whole star dims as we fall back into the Denver/Pelicans scrum of also rans rather than rise up to the group of Western power teams.

What pisses me off is as much as any team in the league we EARNED a better record than 9-8, and its been taken from us by fate. Don't think its going to break us, but its certainly whacked us across the knees just when we were trying to run.
 
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#20
Just sucks we have been missing so many key players ever since the Wolves game. I know it's nice that we got the game in NO, but you HAVE to think we would have won at least one of the Houston/SA/Memphis games had we been at full strength


it's nice that the Suns/Pelicans have been losing games, but the thing about the west is beating those teams isn't gonna be good enough to make the playoffs. Going to have to knock out a team that was there last year once OKC gets healthy and gets into the mix. Maybe Houston, portland, LAC. I dont know but i just don't see new blood getting into the playoffs in the west this year.

#BanConferences
 
#27
I think there are some mail carriers that may have threatened the record, if you consider that a sport.
LOL, right, but to think that someone went through that long of a stretch, at a 162 games a season, and was able to avoid getting a bad enough FLU or virus...or something to keep him from starting a game, is really hard to fathom